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Comment Re:Heh. (Score 1) 269

NZ has fantastic connection to the world, and an TelstraClear is in the process of laying a brand new high capacity cable. I have a 10mbit up/down cable connection and there's no bottlenecks anywhere, let alone on one of the most popular sites on the world -- YouTube. I don't know what this w0mprat fellow is on about in this regard.

What we DO suffer from is lack of return on investment. Those undersea cables cost quite a bit to lay and we live in a country that only recently passed the four-million population mark. Our telecommunications monopoly that is only now being addressed has resulted in a below-OCD-average uptake of broadband technology, exacerbating the return-on-investment problem. Due to the cost of international data transfer, almost all plans in NZ are capped at ridiculously low levels (20gb/month is "good" here).

It's not all doom and gloom though... the new undersea cable has an insane capacity and Telecom's monopolistic grip is being loosened. Unfortunately, thanks to this new law, that light at the end of the tunnel? It's an oncoming train.

Comment Re:What a coincidence (Score 1) 269

I'm hoping the Maori peoples stand up and say no to this - I wouldn't like to fight them! ;D

The term "New Zealander" includes Maori, just as it includes all other racial backgrounds that make up the people of Aotearoa.

And yeah they'd kick some arse :). Well, maybe. I think Pa are getting a bit outdated.

Comment Re:FUCK ARTISTS (Score 1) 317

Perhaps you could rephrase your argument then? All I've read thus far has been a misunderstanding of science.

Are you after philosophy? Because I can't help you here. As far as I'm concerned, until something passes into the realm of the testable, it's baseless speculation. That isn't to say that it is impossible for some things to be tested. Given enough time (a LOT of time), science should eventually give us all the answers... and cease to be science. But that's just speculation. Even though that's the pattern of science so far... it serves its own ends in terms of discovering that deemed undiscoverable... it doesn't count as evidence that all is undiscoverable -- that's a logical fallacy (all X i've seen is Y thefore all X is Y).

Are you trying to argue against the senses? Well, go nuts man. If you're right then there's no reason to argue against them -- we'll never know the truth -- and we'll just have to make do with the illusion. If you're wrong then for all intents and purposes, nothing has changed. In either case we're treading the same path.

Are you arguing against the scientific method? You say it's not applicable to everything -- do you have any examples?

Sorry, it's just kind of hard to read what you're after.

Comment Re:FUCK ARTISTS (Score 1) 317

I guess another way of percieving it would be to expand on that last paragraph -- to test its bulletproofness. It's quite easy to do. Just go up to someone with an opposing view point and apply yourself. For example, I can (and do) take on anyone who adopts a more supernatural stance towards existence. Astrology (as exampled above), god(s), spirits, you name it. Not only have my arguments not even been dented in these debates, they haven't even gotten close to it.

Taking evolution vs. creationism as an example, where my opponent brings up a challenge against evolution, I have the answer, no matter what it is. That's because evolution is solid science (at the moment, it's a more solid science than the theory of gravity) and what hole is a creationist going to find in it that thousands of fulltime scientists can't? In the meantime, my assertions inevitably cause them to fall back on fallicious logic ("god wrote the book so it's right" -> "the book is right so god is real" / "god works in mysterious ways" translated "I don't know or care to know").

It's practically bullet proof and you're using the fruits of it to communicate with a chap in New Zealand.

Comment Re:FUCK ARTISTS (Score 1) 317

Neeeeeeeoo, not quite, but points for trying! :) That link should cover all the above labelled points (and knowledge is always nice, too).

Anyhow, the gist of my perception is (worded differently) that what I percieve, I must then back up, either weakly or strongly, depending on the subject matter. For an example:

- Somebody comes up and tells me that astrology is true and correct and good science. Essentially, the way that the planets align etc can be "read" to determine my personal future (and the personal future of anybody).

- I mull it over and eventually consider that, underneath the quackery surface, there are several focus points. There are well more than 12 types of people in the world... where are all the other personal futures? Why do these readings always come across as cold reading? Why do all twelve readings match my life/week simultaneously? What is the underlying reasoning behind the alignment of celestial bodies, with the impending fate of ourselves? If the future is determinable, implying that it is set in stone, then why are we reading it in the hopes of changing something that is static? If it isn't static, then wouldn't the very act of knowing the future distort it into something different by our newly enlightened actions (or inactions)?

- The astrologist (or believer) can then be confronted with the above. They're all pretty strong points, but they're all pretty obvious, too -- if this science is worth a damn then they've probably got the answers to them all, or at the very least detailed hypothesis on how it all functions. As it is, I've performed this step, and the answer is unwaveringly a variation of finger wiggling and a mystical "ooooOOOOOoooooo!" noise. For me, this is enough to throw astrology out of the window -- nothing supports it. It's akin to the tooth fairy, or god, or mayan prophecy -- fiction that some people take a little too seriously and back it up with fallicious logic and nothing else. This wouldn't satisfy rigorous science but it's a satisfying conclusion for me, personally. I'm not a journal. Hence watered down scientific method.

I guess that's what it comes down to -- applying "proper" logic and reasoning, evidence gathering, as opposed to logical fallacies and testimonial/intuitional/anecdotal "evidence". You are justified to take a look at these two concepts and dismiss them as no different to other concepts -- that's generally what one comes to learn as they grow, that everyone has "their own way" of thinking and doing things, and they all think they're right. The awesome thing that distinguishes "my way" from the rest?

There's no holes in it. The more intelligent you get, the more knowledge you acquire, the more it makes sense and the stronger it becomes. Try applying that qualifier to anything else (which does the opposite) and you'll see why the last few hundred years have been very special for our species.

Comment Re:FUCK ARTISTS (Score 1) 317

Someone with the qualities you're stabbing at -- a man who thinks himself intelligent when in reality he is not -- would read what you've said and immediately brush it aside as bullshit. A more intelligent man would (perhaps only briefly) look into themselves, searching for the answer... something solid to anchor to.

My anchor is the way in which I percieve the world: with reason and logic. Essentially, the scientific method.. or a watered down, fit-for-every-day-use version of it. What separates me and my belief of superior intelligence, from the belief of superior intelligence of an astrologist, is not my accumulated knowledge or degrees. It's my method of scrutinising every "fact" or idea that is levelled my way in such a way as to conclusively or near-certainly know that what I hold to be true stands up to observable evidence, logic, and reason... and the logic and reason of like-minded peers.

In short: if you're trying to equate the more rigorously intellectual hobbies such as "tinkering with computers", or "good academic qualifications", with relative intelligence thenn I dare say that you're a bit off the mark yourself.

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