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Comment I can't believe that people are falling for this (Score 1) 182

We all know that businesses really don't pay taxes, right? I mean they do, but the companies charge more for their products and services as a result of paying taxes. There's not a single business around that just eats that cost. My point is that it's not like this man is voluntarily giving up money. He will still make just as much money.

Everyone who uses oil and gas products will pay a higher price because of this. I'm not saying that's good or bad - that's not the point of my post. I'm just trying to point out that everyone pays for business tax increases, not just the businesses.

Comment Re:this is reassuring (Score 1) 481

The only security was that it was airgapped and had obsessive, paranoid, over the top physical security. The age of the systems (the existence of 8" floppies for example) added nothing to the system security. Because it likely was never designed with any computer security beyond the console itself, bypassing the console could well bypasses the entire missile security system.

We have no proof or idea of the security within the system itself. Any talk of it is pure speculation. What we do know is that the code is constantly being reviewed and has been updated since it's first implementation.

It would be much easier for an enemy/terrorist to get their own nuclear bombs from another source.

Comment Re:this is reassuring (Score 1) 481

Likewise the idea that there are no "network ports", hence no way for modern systems to get access. This probably also that the whole system has no "network" security, bypass the security console and you have direct access to the entire launch system, because it never occurred to the creators that you could spoof the entire console. (The equivalent of the old Windows password you could bypass by hitting "cancel" on the "Try again: Yes/No/Cancel".) So if someone can smuggle something small past the, probably impressive secured, airgap, there is no second line of defence. Unplug the existing terminal, plug in a tiny portable bit of modern, hard-hacked kit, pwn the whole system.

You might argue that the techniques necessary are not routine hacker knowledge. But Stuxnet was not created by a script-kiddy. They had a deep understanding of the system they were trying to sabotage. This is a nuclear missile silo, you can reasonably assume a motivated attacker.

The scenario you describe means that they would have had to bypass several layers of physical security and also remove/compromise the two people at the missile command consoles, which are probably also armed.

The chances of someone successfully pulling off a plan like this is so insignificant it would never happen, unless its in a movie.

Face it. The system is about as secure as it possibly could be.

Comment Re:Fake free market argument (Score 1) 1146

They argue that if the new ones really are so good, people will buy them on their own without being forced to do so.

If we had pollution and carbon taxes, that might be a valid argument. But we don't, and so people have no reason to take into account all the damage they're causing. With such massive externalities, any appeal to free market principles is a straw man.

Nuclear power. /thread

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