Thanks for the clarification. I recall reading another post of yours elsewhere in this thread and I was like.. I thought I was disagreeing with that guy but we're definitely not. Your assertion seems right on.

What's fun is running XP on modern hardware. Then you have all those extra cycles for running applications, which is pretty much the point of an OS. I wiped Vista and installed XP and it's flying so fast I can now run all those silly add-ons like google desktop and not even notice. But the cool thing is if I really need the cycles I can get them back anytime I want without having to dig into the OS.

And there are already laws against this.

Very good question. Now I'm sorry that I can't contribute any deviant data to your study but as an old-fashioned, generic late twenties hetero male without a girlfriend I find that self-satisfaction makes me care much less about heading to the clubs and hooking up than when I don't.

Now I don't know if you can apply that logic to other groups with other tendencies but there ya go.

I'll offer the word unthinking. I'd describe thought as the process by which we question our instinct (genetics + conditioning) and social structures (including laws) that have evolved over the great span of time and decide if they are still beneficial. And these people aren't using it.

LOL, so true! You know in most horror movies the axe is about to drop just as soon as the [clearly over 18 year old actors] start having fun.

I think the south park episode Child Abduction Is Not Funny goes over this in depth, and is pretty +insightful and +funny.

Oh wait, they're all ACs. I mean the OP AC..

I believe the AC was using sarcasm, fellas.

You mean, like when your wife says she has a headache so you go take care of yourself in the shower? Would you kindly tell the court what you were fantasizing about at the time?

You are literally talking about thought crime. It's not long before we can read minds and see dreams and don't worry we'll hook you up to the same machines and if any questionable content floats between 2 of your synapses you're gonna burn.

Let me know if I misinterpreted you.

Are you crazy? Catching real criminals involves a lot more work and is much, much more dangerous.

One of the most insightful posts in this thread.

I agree with most of what you're saying insofar as we both think CP is a very bad thing. Beyond that I would challenge your definition of what a fantasy is:

Following that logic I would really love to stalk through some desert wasteland shooting raiders and slavers in the head, stealing stimpaks off unsuspecting merchants while trying to find my wayward Dad (yeah I've been playing Fallout 3 all weekend).

I would posit instead that fantasies are much more about the things we really don't want to do, but would like to simply run the thought experiment of doing (ever wonder what it would be like to rob a bank or had a dream that you did?). Oh good, me neither.

Unless you're talking about real crime you're talking about thought crime. There's no two ways about it. Why is it not against the law to think about robbing a bank. Or to fantasize about it? (No banks were harmed in the writing of this post). Why is it not even against the law to talk about the idea of it with your friends?

In short, you're a hypocrite unless you also advocate banning all violence and any other glorified abridgments of any law in games, TV, and movies immediately because some people really seem to get off to that shit in that they seek it out and spend a lot of time doing it. It's only a matter of time before they'll want to do it in real life, right?

Oh, and getting back to sex, why are rape fantasy websites ok? That's depictions of sexual abuse and I think it's pretty messed up! But it's still legal? Think of the children... oh wait since they're not children it's ok? Can you tell my why that is?

Good point. We wouldn't want our kids to be conditioned in any questionable fashion. Who gets to decide, btw? We must act immediately to remove all kids from their homes, schools, nature, and if possible from reality itself. They may develop all manner of bad conditioning.

Or, and here's a really wild idea, how about we only prosecute people for actually doing bad things?

Oh wow I feel so stumped... How about simply include a provision in all these abuse codes that excludes minors within 4 years of age of each other? Or bring porn laws into sync with the age of consent? Ask some teenagers maybe what they would consider agreeable? Oh wait a sec we can't do that because children can't think for themselves.

Children can't handle any responsibility so we must shelter them all we can until they reach a magic age and then BINGO! We throw them to the wolves. No wonder we have so many adults still behaving like children we never gave them any responsibility or legal need to account for their own actions.

Come to think of it, my older siblings should really have criminal records since they engaged in child abuse (punched me in the arm and ridiculed me till I cried) when we were kids.