Yeah yeah... hehe. Let's just say, it was a murder case, and the main reason most jurors wanted to convict him and slam him with every year they could was because it was shown that he was a repeat marajuana dealer and a general shady character, so it was obvious that even though there was clear evidence that he did have a hand in someone's death, it wasn't absolutely clear that he did not do it by accident. The stubborn guys wanted to hang him basically, the seemingly intelligent leader/foreman thought that it was pretty clear cut that he did it but didn't want to slam him with all the years for each of the items he was accused for, the "followers" as I shall refer to them were basically for whatever the foreman said, and the undecideds wanted to discuss the facts as they were presented to us and hear what everyone thought before making their own decisions. I had to keep returning to the facts because there was a lot of "he's a bad guy, he must be guilty" talk going on, and it was quite out of hand. I can only assume, and somewhat logically conclude from the few juror interviews that have come out so far, that this type of issue was also going on in the Sammy vs. Apple case.