And! and! and.... The generator costs money to buy use and maintain, and it has to be exercised, because that fuel has to be used - you don't want old fuel in an emergency generator, Stabil or no Stabil. Its just one more thing that the some folks don't take into account when they do their ROI's and other calculations based on something that they just don't like.

And if you want to see some real dollars go away, try replacing your entire house hotel load of power needs with an appropriately sized generator. Running a big freezer, an oil furnace, refrigerator, and all tungsten lights (assuming a person who hates this idea hates cfls or led lights too) is going to get you some serious bucks involved. Don't forget your capacity has to be enough so that you can handle the motor startups on the devices, plus you really need to have enough to handle the draw when a couple start at the same time. Don't forget you need to install a cutout system so you don't electrocute linesmen trying to get you your power back.They frown on that, although the ROI of a couple years in prison isn't too bad with those three hots and a cot

So what's the ROI on a whole house emergency power generator plus installation plus fuel plus maintenance?

Strategically, if I were at war with another country, I would hope that their power generation capacity was in as few locations as possible.

I'm all about conservation, but in the end, it is every bit as much a distraction as that stuff you don't like.

Because in all conservation efforts, the end is people using so little resources that it is effectively zero.

While I suppose you don't believe that, tell me, what is the amount of conservation of materials that compensates for population increase?

Let's say we all use 10 percent less of something. Let's say water.

Each new person on earth then uses up water to the same level the rest of us are using, which is 90 percent of what we used before.

So for every new person, how many people's savings in water have been used by this new person?

So we have to reduce all that much the next year, then the year after that, and on and on. Eventually no one uses any water.

Are you trying to say it will never be viable?

Its the new Slashdot, home for the reactionary status quo. These good folk will be clutching their hatred of anything new until they meet the actuarial tables.

Unfortunately, they get mod points, and in their world, anything they disagree with is marked troll or flame bait.

You ar eright. Those oil subsidies are a bit of a nuisance.

I think perhaps his point was in reference to my point that Slashdot has been taken over by modern day ultra reactionary Luddites, who don't know a lot, but what they do know is that they absolutely hate almost everything, and that pretty much anything new is simply fucking awful.

The concept of "Spacex doesn't qualify' is really the thing that is sad. You are telling me that channeling forces through the end of these candles, energy that is for all intents and purposes a barely controlled explosion is now so reduced to practice that anyone can do it? You, perhaps are quite wrong.

So tell me of the lack of toxicity in the other methods of power generation. I'm glad to hear there is zero toxic waste in Nuclear, natural gas, oil and hydropower generation.

THIS!

Ah yes, the" Ancient Aliens" mindset of some folks. It's so damn amazing how some people assume that humans are all too stupid to have ever done anything worthwhile or clever, and needed "aliens" to come teach us.

People have their problems. We like to kill each other for fun, and we can be really nasty to each other at other times. But we're actually pretty damned smart when you think about it. Our ancestors were capable of a lot of amazing things, and there really isn't the need to invoke beings that had to come help us because humans are soooo stoopid. An intelligent person from say Pharonic times, would be able to understand modern technology after some exposure to it. They weren't stupid, not even close.

Having watched that AA show a few times, it is just one long argument from personal incredulity. And the problem with accepting arguments from personal incredulity is that the biggest idiot in the room always wins.

Oh hell, I was supposed to be shamed? My wife will tell you, I ain't got no shame. A beer does sound good however. Cheers!

No, I suppose you didn't realize it. Have fun with your outrage.

I suppose you apologized to yours for a total lack of a sense of humor?

My Asperger's friend says that the stick up yer backside has to hurt after a while.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but I've heard this stuff before, Some years ago, I replaced my oil furnace and re-insulated my house. I had a good oil furnace, and replaced it with one of the 99+ percent gas furnaces. Pretty cool, they extract so much heat from the gas that the "chimney' is a piece of PVC pipe. The house was already insulated well, but I put some more in the attic.

Today? Well, that payback is interesting stuff there. The folks who took your argument failed to see how the price of oil would skyrocket, (and after a lull, its heading right back up there) Many of these smart folk are paying per month, what I pay for the entire heating season. Plus they are keeping their houses rather colder.

In addition, the house is warmer, with much less dust and grime accumulation, since oil heat is friggin' filthy, and the furnace doesn't use half the electricity for the igniter and blowers, which means I don't need as large an emergency generator to keep warm, although in my case, it frees up power for other uses, since I already have it.

Warmer, cleaner, cheaper, and using real life costs rather than assuming everything will stay the same, I improved our quality of life, as well as turned the "payback" into a couple years. The other parts were worth it by themselves, even disregarding the money involved.

Like I told me wife, if you are going to be transgender, shouldn't you at least look like this (Janet Mock):

http://www.thewrap.com/trans-a...

and not this?:

http://www.businessinsider.com...

The late great Benny Hill said it best in regards to Bruce:

"Everyone has the right to be ugly, but s/he abuses the privilege."