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Comment Re:Emergency services? (Score 1) 119

These aren't the "stranded hiker in the woods" scenario where having more eyes is more important than having more hands. These are the "holy shit, the logistics of helping these people are fucking overwhelming" problems, which are definitely not served by flying in one more mouth to feed who doesn't have his own supplies, much less anything to help the others.

Actually, it's worse than just "one more mouth to feed", it's one more potential medical casualty to rescue.

Fanpack guy flies in, sees family stranded on roof by flood waters. Notices fuel is low, and needs to land. Only places to come down are: a) water, b) treetop, c) pointy roof. None of those options seem like a good idea, but one of them is going to be put to the test very soon.

Comment Re: Very Disturbing Trend (Score 1) 1083

Well, I guess we have widely different definitions of civilization. By your definition, a society of farmers don't constitute civilization, and neither would any nomadic people no matter their advancements in technology.

Looking at Wikipedia, I see they support your definition. So by that your statement of marriage predating civilization would be accurate.

You misunderstood the meaning of my second example above. (I do admit my meaning was not as clear as I assumed.) The 'civil' part isn't that one tribe member isn't attacking another. It is that he is basing his actions and desires on what an authority figure has decreed. I should have included a third example to go along with it:
"I want to mate with Klinda, but she is mating with Urka already, and the chief said that is good. I will ask the chief if I can kill Urka, take Klinda as my mate, and have him call us good. (I better bring him some corn and meat to persuade him.)"

I would say that having a system of authority is the heart of civilization, not whether people live in large urban centers, or have specialized occupations.

Comment Re:Time for incest NOW!! (Score 1) 1083

Other than Federal tax issues, which included Social Security and Medicare, other things that a marriage license grants automatically can be done with appropriate legal paperwork. Whether it is inheritance, marital privilege from testimony, property ownership, or child custody, there are legal methods to handle each one without government being in the marriage business.

The main thing before this decision was always the tax and pension issues at the federal level.

Comment Re:Very Disturbing Trend (Score 1) 1083

Pair bonding of course predates civilization, but I would consider any tribe that is advanced enough to give recognition of it as a marriage is civilization.

It's the difference between a tribe member thinking "I want to mate with Klinda, but she is mating with Urka already, and Urka is bigger than me. I'll find someone else.", or thinking "I want to mate with Klinda, but she is mating with Urka already, and the chief said that is good. I'll find someone else for the chief to call us good.".

It may not be very advanced, but at that point, the tribe members are acting in a civil manner. They don't have to build the Acropolis for it to be civilization.

Comment Re:Welcome! (Score 1) 1083

I think the rocky times are because there is some social progress (and social regress in terms of inequality). Those who don't like it are kicking back.

Actually, a lot of people who do like social progress are being kicked, stamped on, attacked, and demonized by the loudest "advocates" for social change.

It's bizarre. As a lifelong liberal my enthusiasm for liberal reforms has been ice-cooled by the behaviour of so called "progressive" advocates over the last 12 months. Despite my enthusiasm for these reforms, I simply cannot set aside my cynicism as to the motives, ideology and behaviour of the people who have jumped on these bandwagons over the last few years. I find my traditional political boat filled with people who seem determined to steer it into treacherous waters.

Right now the boat is all but running side by side with the old right authoritarians of yesteryear. Censorship advocates and anti-rationalists have grasped the helm, and myself and traditional advocates for cause like gay marraige find our ship being steered in a political bermuda triangle and ourselves at gunpoint. Yes the captain has announced gay marraige reforms over the intercom, but our celebrations in the gallery are a little more subdued that we previously imagined.

It's all feeling a bit Moscow circa 1930, and these five year plans are becoming increasingly worrisome. One wonders whose history our side of the ship is actually going to end up on.

This is one of the most intelligent and insightful posts so far. And for very good reason.

I just had a talk with my daughter, who is very happy that the court ruled as it did. She has many gay friends, so it is an important decision in her sphere. However, after seeing some of the arguments the pro-gay-marriage side is putting forth, she is a bit upset they are on her side of the argument, because they are ignorant on some important points.

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