s/draconion/a violation of the 4th amendment Although the current regime doesn't seem to think the 4th amendment is actually legitimate based on their current rack record.
Same as the last regiment circa 2001-1008, then.
Based on their reasoning,
Gahh! Familial distractions
That isn't the point, though. The point is that this is something I used to be able to play around with and I had to choose between keeping that functionality and letting my kids continue to use it to play all their games. What's next? What if Sony decides to stop supporting Netflix? Or certain niche game publishers? The point of my post was, Do you trust Sony enough to invest another $400 with them?
My anecdotal experience is different from yours - OtherOS wasn't really important to me and I did not mourn its loss. Furthermore, I know enough of the timeline about Geohot's first hack and its OtherOS requirement to understand why they did it (even though I think they should not have done it).
Based on their reasoning, I'm quite confident that they are NOT suddenly going to stop supporting Netflix, and CERTAINLY NOT niche/indie game publishers (in fact, they seem to be enthusiastically courting them, unlike Microsoft who initially seemed to be going the "stop supporting niche game publishers" route you were accusing Sony of).
Therefore, in response to your post, yes, I do trust Sony enough to invest another $400 with them. For now.
Because, you know, retroactively removing features from purchased hardware, suing people who try to work around those restrictions, and leaking your account details through absurdly careless security... that shows real love for your customers, right?
No, but spending the next two years figuratively kissing gamers' asses does.
That's vengeance, not justice...
If I understand correctly, then in that case, even the death penalty is a case of vengeance. At its most basic, it provides the victims (or the victim's relatives) a measure of the "an eye for an eye" feeling. It even allows them to sit and watch as a criminal is being killed (going by my "knowledge" of such from movies and TV shows).
no matter how many Sony fanboys want to claim otherwise, if you take a new PS3 and let it go online, you will be shown ads when the system starts. You may find them "less intrusive" than those on the Xbox 360, but they're there and they're shown by default. I certainly never opted in to them, and they appear now when I start my PS3. Pretty sure it was an update around the time that they removed OtherOS that added them.
No matter what the anti-Microsoft crowd would like to pretend, yes, Sony does the same thing with their console.
WRONG - you can set those "ads", miniscule as they are, to off. Look at this post from CronoCloud. Unless you are being sneaky in saying "a new PS3", which is what a Sony-hater or a Microsoft fanboy (and sometimes - like in your case - they happen to be the same thing) would say
Just have to say, they did advertise the OtherOS feature. It was marked on the back of the PS3 box as a feature. The instruction manual had instructions on how to set up and use the OtherOS. That to me, says they are selling that as a feature.
Not true - check this picture of the box of the original PS3 60 GB - no mention of the OtherOS.
And providing help and instructions do not constitute advertising for a feature.
So no, there was NO advertising for the OtherOS feature. As "rossz" said above, please take up the challenge of finding an ad that mentions OtherOS. Otherwise please stop propagating untruths.
More like "facts". The GeoHot hack happened well after the OtherOS removal. And, in typical Sony fanboi fashion, you also demonize him for releasing details that would allow people to, you know, do what they want with the hardware they own.
Nope, not "facts" - facts. The original GeoHot hack was released in Jan 2010, and required the OtherOS function of the machine in order to work. That is why SCEA over-reacted and decided to take away OtherOS. If I was SCEA, and my bread and butter depended upon games being sold, and there was a danger that this hack would affect my bread-and-butter, then I might have done the same as well.
And yes, OtherOS *was* advertised. I don't even follow the game industry much and I remember it being listed among the "it only does everything" claims.
See this. The original Sony 60 GB model did NOT list OtherOS as a feature.
Also, see this. There was no mention of OtherOS in the "It only does everything" ad.
Now please stop lying.
The XCP rootkit alone should have clued you that you're an idiot for buying electronics from them, that was only 10 years ago. Yes, I was a victim and yes, I'm pissed that nobody went to prison for it. Once bitten, twice shy.
The XCP rootkit incident did not affect me - however, I was rational enough to realize that the incident had been perpetrated by BMG Crescendo just before it was acquired by Sony Music or during the acquisition (look up the timeline). And I like the quality of the electronics they make. I also realize that Sony had many different arms which seemed to not even work well together - Sony Music was not governed by the people who make TVs, Blu-ray Players or the PS3. It's only recently that their different divisions seem to have started working towards common goals.
The OtherOS debacle was only five years ago, the hack only a couple of years ago.
As for the OtherOS debacle, while I don't really like them taking away a feature (that they did NOT advertize, no matter how much haters like to claim that they did), I can understand the panicked mindset that led them to that rash decision. An idiot called Geohot had just decided to publicize and teach others how to use the OtherOS capability to hack into the PS3 architecture.
Moreover, Sony's response to the hacks has been much better than ANY other corporation out there - including CitiCorp, Microsoft, etc. They even offered a one-year free identity theft protection. The only reason you are harping on about the hack is because it was Sony.
...and the fact that they're going to require an always-on internet connection for single player games shows they have no remorse and have no plans to become any less evil.
You are thinking of Microsoft and the NextBox. Sony have clearly said they are NOT going to require always-on internet connection for games. So making up lies to support your claim now?
I'm willing to bet that many of the Sony-haters are XBox fans - who conveniently forget that Microsoft also screwed them over by releasing faulty consoles. Mayhaps you are one of them? Viva la Kinect, right?
...you're an idiot
Wow, you really have a bee up your bonnet - calling people brain-dead, stupid, idiots and dumb-ass just because they happen to prefer buying well-made products.
Since you've now insulted me, sworn at me, and called me names multiple times, let me respond in kind: you are a grudge-nursing, bilious, vindictive, jerk.
All the better to deliver rootkits, DRM'd DLC and other Sony owned crap. Let's not forget the special consideration their PS# packets will get to improve their customers' perceived experiences.
Oh, I almost forgot
And...cue the Sony-haters: no matter that Sony has been mostly on the right track these last few years. Keep nursing your grudge, haters, while rational people - who are able to recognize that times change, people change, and even corporations can change (esp because they have been brought down to kneeling like Sony has been in recent times) - will take advantage of Sony's offerings.
Quick google of NeutronCowboy Xbox
What a surprise! The lame attempt at pretending to be a 'grown up' above silly things like 'graphics' is just another angry and bitter Xbox fanboy...
Like here, where he is criticizing the potential of sponsored Achievements? Oh wait, he was not supporting MS there...but feel free to keep on ranting.
I like the PS3 - it's my console of choice - although I do have a 360 Slim, Wii, PS Vita, 3DS & PSP as well. However, I have to say - RogueyWon was being kind when he implied that the PS3 and 360 versions are running neck-to-neck in some cross-platform game; in some of those games, the 360 version is actually better. By far.
On the flip side, I do think that Richard Leadbetter of Digital Foundry (over at Eurogamer) has demonstrated some fealty to the XBox brand in the past - by selective importance being given to attributes - like framerate, tearing, anti-aliasing, lighting, shadows, etc - depending upon which console version performs better at which attribute - with the desired end-result being to give the impression that overall the 360 version is better. He has also been pretty biased in the past as he has often implied that "poor 360 versions are the developer's fault" (e.g. FFXIII face-off), but "poor PS3 versions are the console architecture's fault" (almost all face-offs where the PS3 version is significantly worse than the 360 version).
However, I agree with you on one point - and one point only - that so far I haven't seen anything on the 360, cross-platform or exclusive, that equals or looks better than some of the visually top-end PS3 exclusives. In my opinion.
Seriously, no irony.
They got hacked. They got the Feds. involved to catch the scum. They figured out who was "likely-impacted." Their notifying the banks involved, so hopefully the computers can catch any spending patterns that come from the breach. They pulled the infected equipment. They let the world know.
They'll still get my business.
Sony had a similar situation.
They got hacked. They got law enforcement involved. They figured out who was likely-impacted. They pulled the infected equipment. They let the world know.
In just 7-9 days.
And they still got a lot of flak for it.
This incident with B&N happened on September 14. This was revealed 2 days ago. So...a total of 38 or 39 days.
I can't speak for you specifically, but I find it ironic that a lot of people who side with B&N here will have prayed for Sony to have torn a new rear-end then.
Bunch of hypocrites.
I don't think so. Nothing I ever purchased from B & N ever had a root kit. I still own two CDs I bought from Sony with root kit software imbedded. B & N never perpetrated evil on it's customers, Sony did. I loved Sony before that incident and thought they produced superior products. Afterward, I avoid Sony whenever possible. Like 911, I'll never forget.
And that rootkit was in 2006, by a company Sony had just acquired.
A lot of water has since passed under the bridge - both bad and good, but if you want to keep on harping about that as justification, be my guest. Just recognize that other, rational people, understand that things change, the Sony of today is different from the Sony of yesteryear, whether it be by design or because of circumstances.
The fact, however, stands that this rootkit in 2006 has nothing to do with the PSN hacking in 2011. There is no logical way that a sane, reasonable, rational human being can conflate the two.
B & N ever had a root kit. I still own two CDs I bought from Sony with root kit software imbedded
Oh sorry, you are not a sane, reasonable, rational human being.
Carry on ranting
Seriously, no irony.
They got hacked. They got the Feds. involved to catch the scum. They figured out who was "likely-impacted." Their notifying the banks involved, so hopefully the computers can catch any spending patterns that come from the breach. They pulled the infected equipment. They let the world know.
They'll still get my business.
Sony had a similar situation.
They got hacked. They got law enforcement involved. They figured out who was likely-impacted. They pulled the infected equipment. They let the world know.
In just 7-9 days.
And they still got a lot of flak for it.
This incident with B&N happened on September 14. This was revealed 2 days ago. So...a total of 38 or 39 days.
I can't speak for you specifically, but I find it ironic that a lot of people who side with B&N here will have prayed for Sony to have torn a new rear-end then.
Bunch of hypocrites.
I couldn't find the article where Kaz Hirai mentions it on the first page of results on Google and I am too lazy to dig deeper.
In that case I'm sure you'll forgive me if I say I think you are either mistaken big-time, misread something, or just plain pulled that claim out of your backside.
As someone who watched very closely, they didn't even try. They failed to even engage Second life's market.
In your eyes maybe.
Home does have a lot to offer though, for the folks who are interested in that kind of thing.
Can you point to any news article that quoted any Sony exec promising Home to be a Second Life killer?
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