Yes, Some of the nuances of group think still evade me. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

Sorry for the double post, but your attitude (which seems to be quite popular at /. ) is one of extreme gullibility. You completely trust not only the scientists, but the bureaucrats, lobbiests and bankers who are sure that sending a torrent of money their way will solve the warming problem that will arrive in 100 years. LOL!!! Truly a naive position if ever there was one. What is scientific about the AGW hypothesis? *NOTHING*. It's some untestable models and some really bad statistics with a million "rider grants" that want to make sure they get funded. Those models haven't gotten the last 10 years right until *this* year. What does that say for any confidence that should be had in this travesty of pseudo-science, lobbying, environmentalism and socialsim?

All talking points you've received from on high. Sorry. Your willingness to barter away my freedoms based on little more than some rhetoric from some lobbiests, bureaucrats and scientists who are all in line at the gravy train. All parties are free to solve this perceived problem on their own without any interference from the government. You and those who subscribe to the Catastrophic man made global warming arguments would seem to be better at rationalizing and making self serving statements than actually proving anything about the environment or solving any of its problems.

Great line of reasoning there. Hey!!! So the Catastrophic man made global warming argument was a bunch of hooey, but at least we're not terrorists!!

That says *nothing* about whether the warming is man made or natural. It's completely unrepsonsive to the issue.

These mods are just hilarious. I imagine if I say something like cap and trade is unwarranted because the climates sensitivity to CO2 is not known I would get modded troll. Could you just mark this post as a troll please? I'd hate to increase my carbon footprint with another post.

Yeah, you go do that without the tax credits genius. See how long you stay in business.

So Mr. Moderator. What went through your head when you modded Troll? Let me guess. You saw "Enviro Chicken Little" and thought "OH, he must be one of those DENIERS I've heard about in Mrs. Kerbapple's class. I'll do everyone a service and mod troll!!! Yipeee!!

Remarkably one-sided point of view. You think the only lobbyists in Washington are in the Oil/Coal Industry? The lobbying effort on the other side is massive as well, and guess what? You actually get something for cheap energy! Here's another. Guess what the Green Energy lobby will give you? A massive utility/petroleum price increase!! Good for you Mr. Naive!!

Ahh yes, defer to your betters and put on the blinders. Why are you unwilling to use that thing on the top of your head on this subject. There are plenty of Climate Scientists who don't think the recent increase in temperatures are anything to worry about.
What you and the clique of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warmists want is to limit my freedom for no good reason. They are at liberty to do what they want about the CO2 problem without taking my money, but would prefer to have their hands in everyone's pocket. It's no better than stealing. I leave you with a quote from Thomas Sowell that I think you would do well to read *and* understand.
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Freedom is not simply the right of intellectuals to circulate their merchandise. It is, above all, the right of ordinary people to find elbow room for themselves and a refuge from the rampaging presumptions of their 'betters.
Thomas Sowell

Because it will make some scientists, bureaucrats and the green lobby rich. These people don't care about the environment, just their jobs.

If you think it's causing some great calamity with the environment, why don't you just invent something that provides energy that doesn't use CO2? Why do you have to take my money to further your neurosis about CO2?

Or perhaps to take money from people who don't believe in AGW and give it to needy scientests and bureaucrats?

That's about the same effect any cap and trade/tax will have with global warming. If any of you enviro chicken littles were honest, you'd admit that these taxes /cap and trade schemesare about power and money and nothing else.

Why do I have to live on a planet with communists like yourself?
* Even the IPCC is only 90% confident that the recent warming is caused by man (and they overstate *everything*). Is the IPCC in 10% denial?
* Many Climate Scientists disagree with the IPCC. See Dr. Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr., and Richard Lindzen to name a few. Go out and read from the wealth of information that has been put out there by them and others. Since they disagree with the dogma of catastrophic AGW, are they in denial? Could it be that they just happen to have an informed opinion counter to the Warmista's Dogma?
* Currently, you and all your Warmista friends are perfectly free to build a carbon free paradise where-ever you see fit. You can build out Solar/Wind/Geo-Thermal till the cows come home. Nothings stopping you. *You can save the planet for us*, but the reason you won't is because you want power over others. Completely UnAmerican, and also completely in the tradition of top down planned economies like the SU and Nazi Germany.
* Your opinions on Electric vs. internal combustion engines are so naive it's frightening. Diesel Electrics burn (you guessed it) DIESEL!! Calling that halfway there is a joke. Comrade Stalin, how would you like the kulaks to plow their fields with their electric tractors? Pull them with a team of oxen?
* Which climate past are you referring to? The one of the completely discredited hockey stick whose margins of error swamped todays temperature records? Are there other Hockey Sticks you'd prefer to show us?
* Finally, why don't you let the economy help itself subjecting it to your central planning comrade Stalin? Go out and find a better method of creating Solar Panels, or Wind Mills or GeoThermal, etc. That would help the economy immensely. Your centrally planned tax increase will only fall on those that are least able to pay.