"What if I want to KickStart a Desktop machine and don't want it to be a live image?"

Use Server. The Server network install image is the canonical thing to use for non-live installs of any kind, basically use it just as you'd use the netinst.iso in previous releases.

We're aware this sounds a bit weird, sorry about that. I can give you the *extremely* long version if you like, but the short version is that when it came to actually *implementing* the Product stuff there were the kinds of 'oh, so that doesn't quite work the way we thought it would' moments you'd expect in making such a significant change to an existing distro with existing release engineering tooling.

The upshot of one of them was that having Product-ish network install images turned out to be basically impossible to do, and after a while of banging our heads on trying to fix it we figured, you know what, we don't really need them anyway. Given how the practical implementation of the Products turned out for F21 at least, we can just have a single network install that can deploy anything, just like we did before.

Unfortunately by that point it wasn't really practical to try and set up some kind of new/old tree to build it out of and give it generic branding, so the story for F21 is: for anything like that, use Server. Use the 'Server' network install image for doing any kind of non-live deployment - the only 'Server' things about it are the visual branding and the fact that it *defaults* to the Server package set, but you can successfully deploy any Product or non-Product package set from it, it's functionally little different from the F20 generic network install image.

The Server/ tree on the mirrors is also the canonical source of things like the PXE boot kernel/initramfs, and the fedup upgrade initramfs.

Again, this obviously isn't optimal design, it's just kinda how things worked out in the F21 timeframe (there are some really boring release engineering considerations behind it all that I can explain if you're having trouble sleeping). For F22, all being well, it'll be cleaned up.

The 'Fedora' DVD wasn't actually an 'Everything' DVD, for the record. The repo tree called Everything has literally every package in it but is not 'composed', i.e. it doesn't have installer images and we can't build release media out of it. It still exists for F21. The Fedora repo tree in previous releases (it doesn't exist in F21) was what the DVD and netinst images were built out of. It didn't contain all packages, it contained the set of packages that was chosen to go on the DVD media - substantially fewer than are in the Everything tree.

The 'Fedora' generic DVD image was dropped as part of the whole Product-ization approach, basically the idea being there's a Product image or live spin for most use cases, and install via the Server netinst covers other cases. The specific case of 'I want to do an offline install with a custom package set that's covered by the old Fedora DVD package set but not the new Server DVD package set' is lost with this change, yep, we're sorry about that - ultimately to make a significant change like Products *something* had to be lost, and that's one of the things that was. The Fedora/ tree in the repos doesn't exist any more because its purpose was to build the Fedora DVD image.

Lennart doesn't have anything to do with firewalld, FWIW.

Choosing the Server product on upgrade will install the Server packages, including its firewall configuration and Cockpit, because...that's Server. If you just want to keep the existing packages you have installed, choose 'nonproduct'. You can remove Cockpit if you don't want it.

Correct, it's not considered to be one of the Products. It's just Fedora.

There isn't one, the Cinnamon maintainer doesn't want to make one, for some reason. You can install from the 'Server' netinst and choose the Cinnamon package set, though, that'll work fine.

it doesn't 'clean' anything. it switches to a new file, and whenever you read the journal, reads as much data as it can from the corrupted file.

of course it doesn't. it has sensible maximum file sizes (both in terms of absolute size and percentage of the filesystem they're on).

"This means it wont find and grubify existing OS installs, including windows. "

No, it doesn't. We test that. It works fine. It uses os-prober, see /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober .

Fedora Release Day Drinking Game: At least two idiotic comments about systemd in the first five on /.? Take a shot.

What's with the "photo" of the 2nd stage / capsule separation? It looks distinctly like a 3D render, not an actual photo. Or if it is a real photo, how did they get it?

"People actually drove reasonably well and there weren't any major issues with it. "

Except for leading the nation in deaths per highway mile...yeah, I suppose?

Funny how the only person I know to be killed in a traffic collision was, in fact, killed by a drunk driver in Montana.

People don't drive "reasonably well" - ever. People have poorly maintained vehicles, especially in a by-and-large poor state like Montana with very little vehicle inspection. People stare at their cell phones, don't keep their windshields clean, don't use sunglasses, drink, spend too much time fiddling with the radio, get distracted by passengers. Our nation devotes virtually zero resources to any enforcement of traffic laws except speeding. Unless Montana starts doing roadside spot vehicle inspections when they are caught breaking some other law...

Guess who picks up the tab for the millions of dollars in medical care when Joe Cowboy slams his pickup truck into a family of four because he was doing 90mph and his bald tires couldn't stop him in time? The federal government, aka You and Me.

I've never considered this before, but isn't that a bit of "the law of unintended consequences"? For instance, if I know that I can commit a single crime now and pay the full rate or commit multiple crimes and pay them off in parallel, why deterrent is there for me to limit my activities?

I've always hated a law that I've heard of (this is strictly hearsay, I've never actually verified it) where in some parts of the US, if you involve a gun in a robbery there's an automatic minimum sentence which is in line with the sentence for having a gun and committing assault; just by having the gun you're already in as much trouble as if you used it, so there really isn't any incentive to not use it if you think doing so could allow you to avoid capture and prosecution. If you're going to be charged for attempted homicide, it's not like taking a hostage is going to add to your sentence at the end of the day and it has the most narrow chance of getting you off the hook.

My SO is a paralegal and I'm always amazed at the perverse incentives that are built into the legal system since you always seem to be in for a pound when you're in for a penny. No doubt legislation passed by someone "tough on crime", but the public seems to support it. I've always thought that putting someone in a place where they stand to lose nothing is a rather poor position to put them in.

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For instance, I had lost my license due to unpaid tickets (I thought I had paid them all off, but I must have missed a payment) and I was pulled over for a taillight being out. At this point I now had a suspended license for driving on a suspended license (aka, strike two before they pull it for 5 years in the state I was then living). I went to a concert with some friends and they all hit the booze a bit hard and when it came time to drive home and they were all too drunk, we let the least drunk guy drive. It was more dangerous than the sober guy driving, obviously, but we reasoned that if we got pulled over the law would take it easier on a guy with a first DUI, a wife and a kid than a guy with a third violation for driving on a suspended license. The math was easy; I got "caught" (I didn't know I was doing anything wrong) a second time and they took my license for a year for the second infraction; your first DUI infraction is an automatic 1 month suspension or so. We knew which crime was "worse" in this case by what would have happened to myself versus what would have happened to the drunk guy that drove us home. We also knew which was safer, but it's not like the cops would have taken that into account, so it wasn't really a consideration in our assessment of the situation.
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"They're much like normal biles otherwise and I presume exactly as comfortable."

Comfort comes almost entirely from the tire size and pressure relative to rider weight and road conditions. The frame is largely irrelevant, at least for anything made in the last few decades by any half-competent company.

"Getting the bearings and power transmission were apparently the harddest bits."

Getting alignment on these items is the hardest bit. Bicycles require an incredible degree of proper alignment of a couple of key components in order for things to work right, mostly shifting, but also handling-wise.

"I'd guess that yet another disadvantage of a wooden bicycle, at least when sharing the road with motor vehicles, is that it's impossible to trigger a green traffic signal without enough metal surface to disturb the flux in the induction loop beneath the approach to the intersection."

1)Inductive loop sensors are much better than they used to be, and many can detect aluminum bike frames, metal in the wheels (almost all spokes are metal - carbon fiber spokes are very rare; many rims are still aluminum), or the metal in the drivetrain (chain, cables, derailleurs.)

2)A large percentage of bicycle frames are made from carbon fiber; even many wheels these days. No different from wood.

3)Many traffic lights now use camera-bases systems. They're cheaper and easier to set up/maintain, and can quantify the number of vehicles for better decisions regarding prioritization, etc. I think some can detect emergency vehicles, provide traffic statistics, and record video if there's a crash.

Some, but not all states, allow cyclists to go through a light if it doesn't change for them after X minutes. Idaho allows cyclists to treat red lights as stop signs, a law groups are trying to get passed here.