The whole ethics framework debate is a straw man (computer) argument. It's patently obvious people don't make those split second judgement calls. The real reason the Germans are on sound moral grounds is autonomous cars are nowhere near commercial prime time on sunny day clear traffic straight highways. Dirty sensors, unpolished code with bugs, proper reliable extraction of features, sensor failures, intelligent prediction of object locations, prediction and proper avoiding of road hazards, and many more things still need to be ironed out. Problems creep up where a driver may have only a second to take over after the AI bails - complete bullshit that a human can hyper concentrate over the controls and take over in one second properly three hours and twenty six minutes in.

How the fuck do you justify putting people's lives at risk with your crap box wanna be AI? I want self driving cars as much as anyone not employed in the commercial driving industry. But not when any jackass car with half capable systems risks everyone's life. Honestly it needs to be banned in the United States on public roads. Wanna play? Pony up for a closed course before risking people's lives. If you think moral decisions are the barrier to AI cars you haven't the foggiest idea what the actual challenges are.

Riight. Next you will be saying that the united states is not a Christian nation.....
You forget their flavor of the christian religion is not only correct, history is as they believe it to be. For example Allah may have acted according to contemporary norms but that's just showing how backward Islam is compared to the right religion which is nothing but love and the source of all morality and purpose.
At least we can all agree to hate atheists. They should be rounded up and put in camps. Thank god many states specifically state they can't hold any political office.

I mean think of the potential here. FTFA:

Just think with this advancement Walowitz would never have had to go to the ER.

Small business owners, no of course not. Same with large business owners. They are more like dukes or princes, squashing the unwashed masses beneath their corporate stallions.

Sure but that's not racist. /sarcasm

Your complete neglect of cost is rather funny. It's still cost per kWh/year obviously you need a battery that will meet your actual capacity vs discharge rate. That is a given - what isn't isnt is paying more money for a more compact and light weight solution.
if you actually read the article they explain how though there is interest, refurbishing packs is not viable. Use of nearly dead packs makes no financial sense in the general case. You will be replacing them all the time, from months to at best a year or two or you need ridiculously oversized batteries to make up for the fact you are losing capacity and discharge rate alarmingly fast. Further you fail to understand as cells to bad it gets exponentially worse as the remaining cells take up the same load, worsening an already bad situation. The only way it's even feasible to use them is if you own both the auto company and the solar company and eat the cost difference between a viable and cost effective economic solution. Sure you can make a great electric car for 100k but he's losing money on them - probably the reason no one else decided on that business plan.
show me where these large scale systems use the same cells and chemistry as tesla packs. Can't? Because saying lithium is like saying computer or car. A MacBook isn't the same as arduino. The lithium batteries you use for ev are no where near the kind you would use in a grid backup. You can't even read the cited source i posted or provide your own so why should I take your point of view as having any credibility?

It's ridiculous that we would ship them off to gitmo. What will be done is the two affairs they have had, the business deal under the table last year, his son being gay, the fact that his family has employed illegal immigrants, and the fact he did cocane in college will all be released to the public if he votes the wrong way. Further if he speaks out on this he is revealing state secrets and will be tried in a secret court by secret judges and sentenced to 'pound me in the ass penitentiary' in the most pedestrian sense.
10 years ago I would have called this tin foil hat material, now I'm not so sure.

Again it's simply cost per kWh/year. You simply have a need for kWh at some level of demand. You fail to understand its cheaper to simply buy a slightly larger pack, or different annode/cathode material than use the most finicky fire prone batteries known. I see hand waving but nothing addressing the issue.
you obviously never have worked with lithium batteries, doubly so packs of 7000 individual cells. Here is a good example of why using these defunct packs is bull.

From page 46 of this report Discussions egarding smart grid applications include using automotive battery packs connected to the grid for temporary energy storage, and as emergency power supplies when power is unavailable. There is also considerable discussion in the industry regarding repurposing used or refurbished automotive battery packs for stationary applications such as home level power storage once the packs are no longer suitable for use in vehicles.70 It remains to be seen whether refurbishment of packs will be practical or economical,71 as cells must generally be well matched to provide good performance in battery packs, and aged cells are particularly difficult to match effectively. In addition, for refurbished pack safety, the issue of determining when a cell should be retired will need to be resolved.
tl;dr leading industry experts say the same thing I'm saying. Feel free to cite some actual facts here, say from well cited industry leading experts. Because using burnt out lithium batteries to power your grid is more of a pr stunt than actual economics.

From page 46 of this report Discussions egarding smart grid applications include using automotive battery packs connected to the grid for temporary energy storage, and as emergency power supplies when power is unavailable. There is also considerable discussion in the industry regarding repurposing used or refurbished automotive battery packs for stationary applications such as home level power storage once the packs are no longer suitable for use in vehicles.70 It remains to be seen whether refurbishment of packs will be practical or economical,71 as cells must generally be well matched to provide good performance in battery packs, and aged cells are particularly difficult to match effectively. In addition, for refurbished pack safety, the issue of determining when a cell should be retired will need to be resolved. tl;dr leading industry experts have the exact same concerns i do. You are just not well informed. I'm open to any sources you may be aware of because the facts are buried under political bs.

Because it seems to criminalize a wide swath of legitimate civilian research. From TFA
high-performance, neural, optical and fault-tolerant, computers,
electronics,
wavelength research (remember, wi-fi was ‘invented’ in Australia),
heat-shielding,
telecommunications,
information security research,
robotics,
human, animal and plant pathogens, both bacterial and viral,
fibre optics,
cryptography.
satellite technology.
sensor technology.
signal and image processing.
composite materials, andthe list could go on and on.
This effectively criminalizes half of all science related activity at colleges. It's not just the best and brightest it's literally asking the A ark to sail in some kind of reverse HHGTG parody.

Because the battery and solar cells will operate at different voltages. To charge batteries directly you would need a dc-dc converter at a minimum.

Nominal voltage is the average voltage over discharge. Often this range is 3-4.2V. Cheap chargers are extremely dangerous as even 4.25V can be hard on cells and anything much over 4.4 is at a greatly increased risk of thermal runaway.

i was expecting some facts. Perhaps some data. I guess facts are too much to ask.

From page 46 of this report Discussions egarding smart grid applications include using automotive battery packs connected to the grid for temporary energy storage, and as emergency power supplies when power is unavailable. There is also considerable discussion in the industry regarding repurposing used or refurbished automotive battery packs for stationary applications such as home level power storage once the packs are no longer suitable for use in vehicles.70 It remains to be seen whether refurbishment of packs will be practical or economical,71 as cells must generally be well matched to provide good performance in battery packs, and aged cells are particularly difficult to match effectively. In addition, for refurbished pack safety, the issue of determining when a cell should be retired will need to be resolved.
tl;dr leading industry experts have the exact same concern for the viability as I have mentioned.

It's more like 5-10 in my state. I wish it was $30 because maybe then asshats wouldn't walk off the street and throw them down my property.

Maybe your state is different. I have tried this it dosen't work where I live. You can take them to the hazardous waste drop off site for your county if you show them your license or other id. I live about 15 minutes away from mine - outside of some rude attitude they do a really good job.

It's less to do with planned obsolescence and more to do with the fact lithium cells of almost any kind tolerate very little overcharge before there is a fire. When you pump out a million packs even one fire can create a lawsuit. If you don't have the safety required by the various regulatory agencies, or compared to average products you open yourself to lawsuits. about the only way out is the hobby market which is about 0% of total battery sales and 98% of total fires (you can google these fires destroying homes, cars, etc with high frequency). Imo some of these e-cig manufacturers are going to get fucked because I've disassembled them and there is next to no protection and I've read about many fires in them also.
yes i googled this ev post vehicle nonsense and all i found were feel good political bs and almost no detail or facts or evidence. They would be better off simply reprocessing the materials and starting over.