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Comment Re:What a surprise (Score 1) 268

I believe I disagree with part of your post rather strongly, it would appear to be due to definitional issues:

Two plus two equals four and thankfully people recognize this, but it would be equally true even if the vast majority of people mistakenly think it equals five.

Not really. Because we define "four" to be the name given to what two plus two equals, which is simply stating that it's the sequential unitary count coming after one two three...

By that definition, if the majority of people suddenly decided to call what we now call "four", "five" instead, well, then the new definition of what two plus two equals WOULD be five, because after all, that's simply what the majority of people have decided to label that number, and if the majority decided to label it differently, then by definition of language, they'd have the new correct usage, and everyone else using the old definition would be wrong, at least in the new context.

Of course the same idea applies if the language being spoken isn't English, or the base is changed. In Spanish (according to babelfish), dos (2) mas (+) dos (2) iguales (=) cuatro (4), it doesn't "iguales" either four /or/ five. In English but base two aka binary, 10+10=100, and how that's actually pronounced may depend on context (normal English description of the principle or discussion among mathematicians or computer professionals or...).

So it /does/ depend on the number of people who agree, because it wouldn't be the nature of the numbers that had changed, but simply what people agreed to call those numbers.

So, I'll be content with pointing out that you say that like all preferences are equally valid. In this case, they are not. The approach of learning how to tell the search engine what you want without needless second-guessing recognizes the reality of using something that, however sophisticated, is still a machine. The other approach fails to do so, placing it at a disadvantage when it comes to delivering useful results. Whether that disadvantage can be overcome so that Bing ends up as useful as Google is an interesting question, the answer to which remains to be seen.

It could be argued that the second-guessing, as you put it, is /always/ necessary, it's simply a matter of where it is done. As machines get more (direct programmed or programmed machine based learning) effective at deducing what a person "really" means, the level of "pre-processing" that needs to be done manually by the human before querying the machine, or the number of successive rounds of post-initial-query modification, will likely go down.

To use an analogy from personal experience, I once learned the process of extracting a root by manual calculation. That was decades ago (grade school, in the late 70s or early 80s), and occasionally I try half-heartedly to look it up, as on some level it /bothers/ me that I lost that ability, as I think I /should/ have it.

Never-the-less, with a square root button now having been on dollar-store calculators for approaching a decade now, and sub-20-buck calculators since the 80s at least (that being when I first needed it, I've no idea when it would have been introduced on "scientific" calculators at say the $100 level, or how common it might have been on $20 calculators earlier), and Nth root extractions possible on computers and $20 calculators everywhere now, there's little real practical value in actually knowing how to do that manually, for the average person or even thru intermediate level geek, today.

Similarly, command line computing is really not absolutely necessary today, as millions and millions get by with icon based interfaces all the way down to the cellphone level.

There's not that many folks around skilled in the art of using a buggy whip any more, either.

In the same way, the automatic "second-guessing" and preprocessing that we geek types tend to do to our search queries before entry, often so naturally that we don't even realize we're doing it, could and likely will become unnecessary as time goes on. You say the computer doing that second-guessing is unnecessary and only gets in the way. Actually, you and I agree, at the level you and I tend to use the computer, at least, but for us, getting a precisely adjusted query starts well before we begin actually typing. At some point, however, those presently very useful skills aren't going to be so necessary any more, and we'll be the ones not properly adapted to our computing environment if we don't change with them, because by that point the assumptions will be that the query /is/ in natural language, and entering a query that is /not/ in natural language will actually throw things off and give far worse results than otherwise.

So from my viewpoint, as with what we call the result of two plus two, it's all a matter of cultural context and perspective. We see bing's second guessing as unnecessary, because we've already preprocessed the query and gone thru several iterations in our head before we ever start typing, at which point the query is already refined enough that those second-guesses tend to be more irritating diversions than helpful. But that's not the case for many users, and on that point, it would seem we agree.

Meanwhile, I'm quite happy if the ad susceptible "programmable zombies" that need that level of machine based second guessing because they're uncomfortable with or unable to do the necessary preprocessing analysis themselves, have somewhere else to go. It means google can narrow its focus a bit, making it more effective for those of us who can do that bit of preprocessing and prefer to do it ourselves, thus making the process when we do submit the query more efficient, as there's less "marshalling" to be done across that maddeningly slow computer/human interface.

(FWIW, as a confirmed kde power user and heavy customizer, that's pretty much the same attitude I take on the "there's only one 'correct' way to do it, the one the gnome devs chose" approach -- let the folks who want others to make those decisions for them, and the devs that want to make the decisions for them, have at it, it keeps them away from kde, where they'd otherwise be attempting serious damage to the "if it can be configured, let's ensure we've exposed a method to configure it" approach kde is often accused of having, but which us heavy customizers so enjoy. There's room in the FLOSS free world for both groups!

And, really, same for TV vs the Internet. Let the eggplant-brains sit on their couch and absorb all that programming from the idiot box. Consider how much worse "Eternal September" would have been had all the TVs ceased to work at the same time! Meanwhile, there's enough such folks that apparently actually /want/ to be told what to think and what they should want to buy, that I don't think our ad-sponsored net is in any danger, really. And even if it were, would the prospect of people who actually enjoy what they're doing and wish strongly enough to share it with others to put up the page, program the software, or compose and perform the music, play, or book, without, horror of horrors, actually being PAID to do what they'd otherwise not enjoy doing enough to do it anyway... would the prospect of /that/ sort of an Internet and information society really be /that/ bad? Somehow, I don't think so.

But regardless, I think it's safe to say it's unlikely to happen in any case, because as long as humans are humans, there'll be a significant group of them that prefer to let someone ELSE do that thinking and producing and etc, and don't mind at all being programmed by it as a result, even if that programming includes programming to buy what they'd otherwise not find valuable enough to spend their money on, which is, after all, the big reason advertising exists as it does today. (There's a small segment that's actually informational, letting folks know about that new restaurant that just opened down the street, etc, but that's a /very/ small segment.))

Comment Re:e-mail (Score 1) 268

From the letter, explaining the $36/yr Pandora One option:

>> Pandora One offers very high quality 192 Kbps streams

Ugh! While I won't quarrel with the $36/yr price, 192 kbps MP3 is NOT "very high quality"! 128kbps is "minimum listenable quality", and 192kbps is at best, "medium quality". "High quality" would be 256kbps, and "very high quality" would be 360kbps.

Of course, if it's AAC instead of mp3, the quality arguably notches one higher for the bitrate, but even still, 192kbps would be "high quality" not "very high quality", and unfortunately, aac isn't as cross-compatible.

FWIW, I'm not a Pandora user, tho I'm an avid shoutcast.com user. Does pandora require proprietaryware of any kind? Yes, it appears to require flash. Perhaps gnash or swfdec work; I don't have them loaded here. Does anyone know?

Because I cannot and will not load priorietaryware such as flash -- among other things I cannot and do not agree to waive my rights to damages for software that cannot be freely and legally inspected to actually see what the code does, without waiving my rights (or those of my chosen agent) to work on similar software, perhaps using some of the code I (or my chosen agent) saw, in the process, in the future. Thus, no proprietaryware, aka servantware (see the sig), for me!

Luckily, the shoutcast.com and the various audio streams listed there work on freedomware.

Comment Re:Consequences (Score 3, Insightful) 131

First off these are by no means perfect solutions themselves. They're expensive for the power generated, are subject to the whims of nature and of course, could affect surrounding nature in unforeseen ways. What happens when you cause large dead spots in the ocean or wind currents? Have any real life tests been performed?

Personally I don't like the idea of off shore power generation, I'm sure it would expand and screw up the laws for sailors and the sea. Not to mention the large zones a few miles off shore that would be off limits to the public.

You also forgot to mention nuclear power, which beats everything else atm. If power companies want to experiment with this stuff i say go for it, but to realistically solve power needs with reliability America needs to get its nuclear ass in gear.

Comment Stop the Irony (Score 4, Insightful) 131

Here in Oregon the greenies have been fighting against the energy buoys for a while. They are concerned that electromagnetic cables on the ocean floor could affect sea life, and that buoys could interfere with whale and fish migration. We've also been tearing down hydroelectric dams because it disturbs the salmon. We got Washington DC jacking up the price of non-enviro friendly electricity on one end and the greenies on the other end kicking the green energy in the balls.

Comment Re:Excuse for a tax (Obama's Global Domination) (Score 1) 425

No problem, and thanks for not getting offended. I tried to keep it humorous.

The problem of course is that once it came to my awareness enough to be able to use it right in my own writing, it now stuck out like a sore thumb if the usage was wrong in anybody else's writing! I'm not normally critical of most such things, but now, that one BOTHERS me! But at least I can still see the humor in it, as that post demonstrated... I hope.

Oh, well, maybe if enough people are made aware of it so it BOTHERS everyone, I'll not have to worry about it any more. =:^P

Comment Re:Excuse for a tax (Obama's Global Domination) (Score 1) 425

> Last year the earth cooled ALLOT

So, was that a random allotment that the earth cooled, possibly made by casting lots, or was it a deliberate allocation, perhaps by law? And, while we're at it, where was this allotment? I thought the earth was in general warmer than the surrounding space, so it warmed it up.

> And unless we get allot more sunspots soon, we be PRAYING for a little global warming.

So who's allotting them, and again, randomly, perhaps by casting or drawing lots, or by design? Whoever it is, is certainly God, to be powerful enough to allot sunspots, if it is indeed by design. So praying indeed would be appropriate.

Or maybe the "AllOt" company has something to do with all this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allot

Well, that's my alloted time for this post, as I've a lot of other comments to read, but before I go, let me leave you with these links. It's only three links. Really not a lot...

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allot

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_lot

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alot

(FWIW, thanks to the guy, whoever it was, that posted the mistaken use, I think here on /., that prompted someone to leave a comment clarifying the difference for me, at that time simply a lurker. I'm just passing it on, hopefully clarifying the difference for someone else.)

Comment Re:Here's a thought... (Score 2, Interesting) 856

Again, for the 100th time, you misread the bicycledriving.org law. It says if the bike lanes exist, bikes have to ride in them. IT DOES NOT SAY IF THEY DON'T EXIST THAT THEY CAN'T BE ON THE ROAD. Get that through your thick head. You are wrong. Bike *are* allowed on the road throughout the states even if there isn't a bike lane.

Comment Re:Patents and Trademarks (Score 2, Insightful) 272

Well, they're almost like that in the USA. You can't claim any damages that occurred between your becoming aware of infringement and filing suit. Fortunately, not many FAT patents are still valid. Patents last at most 20 years, so anything from the DOS days is gone. The relevant ones here were included with Windows 95. I presume MS filed them before releasing '95, possibly even before releasing the betas, so they should expire in the next few years.

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