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Comment Re:Vaccines vs. natural immune assault by environm (Score 1) 858

Indeed. But that doesn't make the statement in that health magazine (which I believe is just reprinted from a CDC fact sheet, or pretty close) any more relevant. It shows that infants have an immune system, but that's hardly in dispute. More relevant information would include things like strength of immune response to a vaccination vs. response to a cold. Otherwise it's just a reassuring-sounding trick to fool the scientifically illiterate into doing the right thing. Personally I take a pretty dim view of people doing the right thing for the wrong reasons; although it seems efficient at the time, it produces a brittle system in that if you don't know why you're doing what you're doing, you don't know how to react when something changes or you receive new information.

Comment Re:Really, Really, I call BS on your science... (Score 1) 858

I wouldn't exactly call VAERS reporting "a scientific process". The disclaimers on the database read like the ones on Slashdot polls.

If it were scientific, the doctor would call you a week after the injection and ask how her health was and if she suffered any major or minor maladies, and the answer whatever it was would go in a database.

Or, heck, all adjacent pairs of medical interventions could go into a database, whether it had anything to do with vaccinations or not. There is much you can do with lots of data; the health care system is designed to squirrel that data away into various different filing cabinets, not look for patterns. Medicine has a long way to go yet to be a data-driven science in the way that, say, advertising is. (Kinda makes you think about our priorities as a culture, eh?)

Even with the lack-of-reporting bias, VAERS still can be used to detect particularly problematic vaccines, simply because some reports do get through, and there's no reason to expect the legitimate ones are suppressed more than the illegitimate ones. The assumption is that _none_ of it is virus-related. So, okay, sample size is smaller and statistics are noisier, but you can still detect obvious trends with careful statistics.

Comment Re:Really, Really, I call BS on your science... (Score 1) 858

Don't forget to multiply by the risk of catching the disease when you say "high risk of death".

The calculation for at-risk populations can be very different for low-risk populations. That's why, for example, countries in temperate climates don't bother vaccinating for yellow fever unless people are going to be traveling.

Comment Re:One sided (Score 2) 858

Actually, a lot of early vaccines don't really contribute to lifelong immunity, even if the immune system is mature enough to generate some protective temporary immunity. Vaccine catch-up schedules for older children often skip one or more injections.

Also, a lot of young children don't get sick any more because of herd immunity. If you don't vaccinate them, though, you have to be extra-confident the herd that they are interacting with is adequately immune. (If you herd your babies, which we generally do, then you do need to have the baby-herd immunized to get protection.)

Comment Re:Does it really matter who wins? (Score 1) 881

You think Gore would have gone into Iraq? We've spent in the neighborhood of $3 trillion there. Thats about $10,000 per capita in the U.S.. That's rather a lot of money. Maybe you think it's money well spent, or maybe you think it's a waste, but it almost certainly would have been spent dramatically different under Gore.

You think McCain would have passed Obamacare (which might be a pretty big deal to the ~5% of the people who will be covered who weren't before, and to the people who have to pay for it)? Despite presidents failing to pass health care reform for decades (and mostly it being a Democratic initiative)?

Or, to play cynicism against cynicism--you don't think that each party wants to do something to fire up its base and stick it to the other guys so they'll win the *next* election?

There are a lot of ways that it doesn't matter. But to say it doesn't matter at all sounds like a rationalization for not paying attention or getting involved--or it deserves a really robust argument.

Comment Re:Does it really matter who wins? (Score 1) 881

Yeah, it can matter, because even if 90% of what two candidates will do is identical (and you believe it's all a bad idea), the remaining 10% can have an impact. People were saying "Bush vs. Gore, does it really matter?" back in 2000. In retrospect, don't you think that certain things would have turned out rather differently--enough so to matter?

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