The main reason to upgrade is for development, as well as the desire to be able to install my own CA (without having the constant "network may be monitored by third party" warning*)

Anyhow, this prompted me to have another look, and finally typed in the correct set of keywords to bring me to an explanation to sideload the OTA update - obviously my google foo has been weak, as I always seemed to find instructions on flash the firmware rather than updating. Anyhow, once I had 5.0 installed, it immediately gave me an update for 5.0.1, so I can only assume that you can't go from 4.4.4 to 5.0.1 without 5.0, and they've remove 5.0 from being received OTA, so unless you're happy using adb, then you're SOL.

* And if anyone is remotely interested - you still get the retarded "A third party is capable of monitoring your network activity..." warning, because it won't allow me to trust my own CA that I installed on my own device.

Even if Google were to patch 4.3, it's unlikely that it would ever hit anyone's device as the manufacturers are so shit at pushing out updates. Not that this is a defence for not patching it - Jelly Bean was only released 2.5 years ago.

And it's not just some manufacturers, Google is just as guilty - my [2013] Nexus 7 asked me whether I wanted to upgrade to Lollipop, I was busy at the time, so I hit no. Now I can't get the thing see that there *is* a new version - 5.0.2 was released 3 weeks ago, and it still says "Your system is up to date". Like fuck it is.

Exactly, a Fatwa falls under "inciting violence as it is explicitly calling for somebody's murder, which *should be* illegal in the UK - it's illegal to order a contract killing. Unfortunately, as we've seen in the past, the CPS doesn't charge people issuing them, probably for the same reasons that the authorities didn't want to investigate the Rotherham sex abuse because, as past MP Denis MacShane said "I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that."

Do you really have to be "really good" to do that. Standard method for me debugging issues is to tail -f both the access and error logs while making requests. Factor in wireshark with the server's private key loaded (if over https) if I'm really struggling.

Yup, somebody else has mentioned this - I most likely copied and pasted the the wrong name. I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for my pesky habit of trying to give credit where it due!

Maybe I've been living outside The Republic for a bit too long - I never knew that abortion in the North was different from the rest of the UK. However when I was growing up, I never thought of the IRA trying to set up a catholic state, to me it was always about independence. The fact NI's policy is different shouldn't really surprise me, catholic dogma still has a massive political sway in the [whole] island, but I do wonder if this case is more of a correlation versus causation issue.

That's a very valid point, and I look back at what I would have written a year ago and slightly worry that I'm becoming more reactionary than I should. Likewise, you mention buddhist led massacres - I'm aware of those and it has changed my view of it being a "completely" peaceful religion. The difference is that I've only heard non-buddhists referring to buddhism as a peaceful religion (though I admit I don't know any buddhists), whereas muslims regularly describe islam as a religion of peace. It's a bit like a country with "Democratic" in the name, it tends to mean they're not.

I don't think we should blame 1 billion muslims for terrorism, but I do feel that the muslim communities in the West should realise that it's not just our problem, it's theirs too, and simply saying "they're fake muslims" will not make the issue go away. Muslim communities have to explain to those who are likely to become radicalised that freedom of expression is a core tenet of our society, and satire and criticism is not victimisation - everybody has to deal with it.

Did not realise that - thanks.

Well for one thing, Choudary et al have become very good at making sure they're not actually advocating the actual death of homosexuals, infidels, etc. They tend to go with the "Koran says so..." approach. I agree, it's very easy to infer what is meant, but [IMO] inference starts to get a little too close to thought crime for my liking. Keep in mind, they have been charged in past over inciting actual violence.

I appreciate I'm treading a very fine line between giving these fuckers too much freedom, and defending what our society stands for. It's just that I loath the idea that these people are responsible for altering [in any way] the way we are allowed to live our lives.

I'll go on record as saying that I disagree with laws criminalising holocaust denial. As someone who is half-German, and who has been to Bergen Belsen (visit doesn't feel like the right word) I can understand why they can be desirable, but it doesn't change my opinion. Besides, I've seen how David Irving is received in the UK, his name is mud, because of his views - freedom of expression is often dangerous for extremists - it's all to easy to hang yourself with it.

Likewise with charges of anti-semitism or islamophobia which very often are used to deflect legitimate criticism. I don't see why certain sections of society should be above criticism.

Exactly, it's not like everybody can just watch the recordings when ever they want. Also, as long it's stored safely along with all of the data they store on us, then they have nothing to worry about. Right? Right...

I have also seen interviews where ex-servicemen are reviewing footage of police performing conflict-escalation - by aiming their weapons at unarmed civilians - apparently (at least according to this guy) the military are trained not to do this, as it vastly reduces the chances of the situation being defused safely.

It kind of agrees with the ROE card that a friend of mine (Royal Navy Reservist) had, although I had to laugh at the choice of line breaks. On his card, the first side ended with "you may only fire at a person", the 2nd side had the qualifiers.

Well that's this discussion settled then - tqusasar had a good experience with a cop.

Came here to say exactly this. It seems that people need to be reminded of what François Marie Arouet (it's often attributed to Voltair) said:

Whilst the violent reaction of fundamental muslims is disgraceful, I fully support their ability to sprout their views. If I didn't, then I couldn't support Charlie Hebdo et al to mock islam (along with judaism and christianity and everyone else). Take a positive look at it - by allowing them to air their views, we're making sure the world sees how pathetic they are, and allows us [with clear conscience] to say "they are utter disgraces as human beings".

Come on, a WRT54g apparently supports up to 253 clients, they'd need at least two or three.