Last time I bought a vehicle (a motorcycle) I actually bought it with my debit card! The bank called back to make some security checks, but other than that, buying a motorcycle was just like buying the groceries - insert card, enter PIN, ride home on new bike.

You should expect a basic, clean, functional room though with what was advertised to come with the room.

I've stayed in a £35 a night Blackpool B&B (Windsor House or something it was called) and it was perfectly acceptable. The room wasn't huge but it was clean and comfortable, the shower worked fine, it had free WiFi, and a full English breakfast included and was much better value than most so-called "low cost" hotels like Premier Inn. I stayed recently in a 25 euro a night hotel in the centre of Zaragoza in Spain and this was similar - no way could you describe it as "luxury" but it was clean, the bed was comfortable, the shower worked just fine and so did the WiFi. It is perfectly possible to have an entirely acceptable hotel room for this price.

"Yeah I Grubered the American people with Obamacare, and if ya'll don't like it, you can kiss my big black ass"?

I'm still cracking up at that cactus! :) I guess that's International Sign (or maybe, since the Obamacare joke's on us, Sigh) Language for "you've just been Grubered!".

But seriously, I don't know why people are painting Jonathan Gruber as being some kind of Hans Gruber -like super bad-guy. What he expressed is just part of the core set of beliefs of the Left in America. FNC is so happy to go along with the Left in keeping the people dumb, all they seemed to focus on was how insulting it was, and I didn't see a minute (not that I watch for very many) about how there might some (or rather a lot) of truth to what he was saying.

If Fox News really was Right-wing, they would've treated this as the potential break-through moment that it was, to awaken the oblivious third of Americans who think it's safe (for America) to vote Democrat just because they're a major party, and that Liberals are the good guys. But Fox News is a business, and their game is partisan bickering, and they'd rather people not learn and outgrow that. And the Left is just fine with that. (Because their news outlets certainly aren't about succeeding as businesses, so where the advantage lies is clear.)

DoS the hidden site, see where the traffic ends up. Rinse, repeat.

God damn you.

I'm completely shocked that when given additional opportunity, you still won't back up your claims.

Maybe they came after Katz then. I just remember they were the next prolific mass poster everybody hated.

The bizarre thing is that you're accusing me of "singling out one particular issue based purely on the person implementing it," when you have literally no example of me ever doing that, ever, least of all in this discussion, where if anything I was taking Gruber's side.

Not in any way, no, I did not.

You're a liar.

I agree. I am nearly completely transparent and obvious and clear. I lack pretense or disguise.

No. It's true that the framers and most people who understand politics want the people to be ignorant about most issues in government, because otherwise, the people would be spending too much time watching government and not enough time enjoying life and being productive. Everyone should want to be ignorant about most things, especially most things government does. Otherwise you'll be miserable.

But it's not true that they want people to be ignorant, but with a delusion of lack of ignorance. You're just making things up.

There's no objective reason why it's a bad thing.

I'm a dope because you ... agreed with me? You think that little of yourself?

You're a liar.

Well, yes, people who believe what they are told -- and then profess to know those things -- without investigating it, are stupid.

Bennett is just the latest incarnation of Katz and that other guy before him who I've thankfully forgotten the name of.

Gruber was mostly right, although the word "stupid" is probably not what he meant. But the fact is that whoever believed it wasn't a tax, it wouldn't raise rates, it wouldn't force you to change plans and possibly doctors, etc., was ignorant. Not stupid, necessarily, but ignorant. That said, someone who is ignorant and thinks that he actually knows these things is kinda stupid. So all the news folks, for example, who said that what Republicans said about the ACA were lies ... they were stupid.

The fact is that almost everything the GOP said about the ACA was true. Federal funding of abortions, subsidies for illegals, massive government control defined at a later date by an administrator and not Congress, death panels, increased taxes and premiums, decreased choice ... all of it was and is true.