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Comment Advertising delivered to your door (Score 1) 206

by Curlsman (#32484886) Attached to: Canada's Largest Cities Seeing the End of the Phone Book
After working in Directory for several years, it's very clear that the phone company knows that they are selling advertising to just about every business with a phone number and delivering it to the door of millions of potential customers, and making a huge amount of money: only Wireline (what most people think of as The Phone Company) netted more and it took about ten times the number of people. The major successful effort is the categorization of businesses/products/services. As has been pointed out elsewhere here, reproducing the experience of the yellow pages online is very challenging, especially to an industry that historically thinks well managed change takes a decade to deploy and has a lifetime also measured in decades.

Comment Re:Is this GPS, or Tower data? (Score 1) 400

by Curlsman (#31105518) Attached to: Feds Push For Warrantless Cell Phone Tracking
As it currently stands, we don't have access to location data for our own phones.
My partner was not answering any of the phones for several days, and I could see the blackberry getting data on a regular basis.
Verizon said that only the police could get the location data, and I would probably have to file a missing persons report.
Cellphones

Submission + - Locked phone class action lawsuit

Submitted by Curlsman
Curlsman writes: I just got this email, and don't know yet if it's legit:

This is a court-ordered notice concerning a class action lawsuit that may affect your rights. If you have questions about this notice or wish to contact the lawyers appointed to represent you, visit www.attlockinglawsuits.com, or contact class counsel at classcounsel@attlockinglawsuits.com or by replying to this email.

Notice of Pendency of Class Action

SUPERIOR COURT OF CALIFORNIA, COUNTY OF ALAMEDA

If you bought a cellphone other than an iPhone from AT&T Wireless, Cingular or AT&T Mobility, class action lawsuits may affect your rights.

A court authorized this notice. This is not a solicitation from a lawyer.

In two lawsuits, cellphone customers in California have sued AT&T Wireless Services, Inc. and affiliated companies ("AT&T Wireless"), and Cingular Wireless LLC, now known as AT&T Mobility, and affiliated companies ("Cingular"), alleging that AT&T Wireless and Cingular violated California law by locking cellphone handsets to make it difficult for customers to switch cell phone service providers without buying a new handset, and also by failing to disclose that such handsets are locked.

The Court has allowed the lawsuits to go forward as class actions on behalf of (1) all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from March 12, 1999 through and including October 26, 2004 (the "AT&T Wireless Class"), and (2) all persons who have or had a Cingular account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset (other than an iPhone) from Cingular from March 12, 1999 through and including December 31, 2009, and all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from October 27, 2004 through and including December 31, 2009 (the "Cingular Class").

Both the AT&T Wireless Class and the Cingular Class have two subclasses within them. The AT&T Consumer Subclass consists of all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless personal account with a California area code and a California billing address who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from March 12, 1999 through and including October 26, 2004. The AT&T Wireless Arbitration Subclass consists of all members of the AT&T Wireless Consumer Subclass who are or were parties to AT&T Wireless Service Agreements dated January 1, 2001 through and including October 26, 2004. The Cingular Consumer Subclass consists of all persons who have or had a Cingular personal account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset (other than an iPhone) from Cingular from March 12, 1999 through and including December 31, 2009, and all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless personal account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from October 27, 2004 through and including December 31, 2009. The Cingular Wireless Arbitration Subclass consists of all members of the Cingular Consumer Subclass who are or were parties to Cingular Service Agreements dated January 1, 2001 through December 31, 2009, or to an AT&T Wireless Service Agreement dated after October 26, 2004. Excluded from the Classes and all Subclasses are any judicial officer presiding over these actions, the members of his/her immediate family, and any juror assigned to these actions.

The Court has not decided whether the Classes' claims have any merit. There is no money available now, and no guarantee there will be. However, your legal rights are affected, and you have a choice to make now:

YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS AND OPTIONS IN EACH OF THESE LAWSUITS

DO NOTHING

Stay in the lawsuit. Await the outcome. Give up certain rights.

By doing nothing, you keep the possibility of getting money or benefits that may come from a trial or a settlement. But, you give up any rights to sue AT&T Wireless or Cingular separately about the same legal claims in the lawsuit.

ASK TO BE EXCLUDED

Get out of the lawsuit. Get no benefits from it. Keep rights.

If you ask to be excluded and money or benefits are later awarded, you won't share in those. But, you keep any rights to sue AT&T Wireless or Cingular separately about the same legal claims in this lawsuit.

Your options are explained in this notice. To ask to be excluded, you must act before March 15, 2010.

Lawyers for the Class will try to prove the claims against AT&T Wireless and Cingular in this litigation, including at a trial, if necessary. If money or benefits are obtained from AT&T Wireless or Cingular, you will be notified about how to ask for a share.

Any questions? Read on, or visit www.attlockinglawsuits.com, or contact class counsel at classcounsel@attlockinglawsuits.com or by replying to this email.

BASIC INFORMATION

1. Why did I get this notice?

You may have purchased a cellphone handset from either AT&T Wireless or Cingular, or both, with a California area code and a California billing address between March 12, 1999 and December 31, 2009. This notice explains that the Court has allowed, or "certified," two class action lawsuits that may affect you. You have legal rights and options that you may exercise before the Court holds trials in these two cases. The trials are to decide whether the claims being made against AT&T and Cingular, on your behalf, are correct. Judge Winifred Y. Smith of the Superior Court of California, County of Alameda, is overseeing these two class actions. The lawsuits are known as Meoli, et al. v. AT&T Wireless PCS, LLC, et al., Case No. RG 03086113, and Mendoza, et al. v. Cingular Wireless LLC, et al., Case No. RG 03114152.

2. What are these lawsuits about?

These lawsuits allege, respectively, that AT&T Wireless and Cingular violated California law by locking cellphone handsets to make it difficult for customers to switch cell phone service providers without buying a new handset, and also by failing to disclose a number of material facts, including that such handsets are locked.

3. What is a class action and who is involved?

In a class action lawsuit, one or more people called "Class Representatives" sue on behalf of other people who have similar claims. The people together are a "Class" or "Class Members." The AT&T Wireless and Cingular customers who sued — and all the Class Members like them — are called the Plaintiffs. The companies they sued (in these two cases, AT&T Wireless and Cingular) are called the Defendants. One court resolves the issues for everyone in the Class — except for those people who choose to exclude themselves from the Class.

4. Who are the Class Representatives?

The Class Representatives for the case against AT&T Wireless are Porsha Meoli, Sridhar Krishnan, Leslie Armstrong Bernardi, Riley Clark, Steve Kozack, Jennifer Preuss, Betty Jennings, and Joseph Panganiban for the class's claims of unfair business practices under the California Unfair Competition Law, California Business & Professions Code Sections 17200 et seq. (the "UCL") and Riley Clark, Steve Kozack and Joseph Panganiban for the class's claims of fraudulent business practices under the UCL and the Subclass's claims under the California Consumer Legal Remedies Act ("CLRA") (the "Deception-Based Claims").

The Class Representatives for the case against Cingular are Astrid Mendoza, Ron Ng, Kistler & Kistler, Richard Yates, Mike Freeland and Jill Bonnington with respect to the class's claims of unfair business practices under the UCL and Ron Ng, Kistler & Kistler, Richard Yates, Mike Freeland and Jill Bonnington with respect to the class's Deception-Based Claims.

5. Why are these lawsuits class actions?

The Court decided that these lawsuits can be class actions and move towards a trial because they meet the requirements of California Code of Civil Procedure 382, and California Civil Code 1781, which govern class actions in California state courts.

More information about why the Court is allowing these lawsuits to be class actions is in the Court's Order Granting Motions for Class Certification in Cingular and AT&T Wireless Handset Cases, which is available at www.attlockinglawsuits.com.

THE CLAIMS IN THE LAWSUITS

6. What are the plaintiffs' claims in these lawsuits?

In these lawsuits, the Plaintiffs contend that AT&T Wireless and Cingular secretly locked customers' handsets with software programming locks, sometimes called "SIM locks," to make it impossible or impracticable for customers to modify the programming of their handsets and/or switch cell phone service providers without purchasing a new handset. Plaintiffs allege that by locking handsets in this manner, AT&T Wireless and Cingular violated the UCL and the CLRA, and failed to disclose material information about the locks. You can read the Plaintiffs' Class Action Complaints at www.attlockinglawsuits.com.

7. How do AT&T Wireless and Cingular answer?

Both AT&T Wireless and Cingular deny any wrongdoing and deny the Plaintiffs' allegations. They contend that their customers are not harmed by their handset locks because AT&T Wireless and Cingular told customers when they purchased the phones that they would not work with other service providers. AT&T Wireless and Cingular also assert that some other wireless service providers use different network technologies than they do, so AT&T Wireless and Cingular phones wouldn't work on those networks even if they had not been locked. You can read the AT&T Wireless Defendants' Answer and Affirmative Defenses to Fourth Amended Consolidated Complaint [Handset Locking] and the Cingular Wireless Defendants' Answer and Affirmative Defenses to Fourth Amended Consolidated Complaint [Handset Locking] at www.attlockinglawsuits.com.

8. Has the Court decided who is right?

The Court has not decided whether the Classes' claims are correct. By establishing the Classes and issuing this Notice, the Court is not suggesting that the Classes will win or lose these cases. The Classes must prove their claims in each of these cases, including at trials, if necessary. Before it certified the Classes, the Court ruled that five of the eight Class Representatives for the case against AT&T Wireless did not have an individual Deception-Based Claim, and it ruled that one of the six Class Representatives for the case against Cingular did not have an individual Deception-Based Claim. The Court otherwise found that the claims of the Class Representatives could proceed.

9. What are the Plaintiffs asking for?

The Plaintiffs are asking for, among other things, money damages measured by (a) the difference in value between locked and unlocked phones, based on their allegation that unlocked phones are worth more than locked phones, or (b) the cost to unlock the phone, based on the price charged by independent providers of unlocking services. The Plaintiffs are also asking for an order directing AT&T Wireless and Cingular to provide the unlock code to each Class member so that they can unlock their phones on their own, for an order forbidding AT&T Wireless and Cingular from continuing to secretly lock phones, and/or for other injunctive relief.

10. Is there any money available now?

No money or benefits are available now because the Court has not yet decided whether AT&T Wireless or Cingular did anything wrong, and the two sides have not settled the case. There is no guarantee that money or benefits ever will be obtained. If they are, you will be notified about how to ask for a share.

WHO IS IN THE CLASS

You need to decide whether you are affected by this lawsuit.

11. Am I a Class Member?

Judge Smith decided that all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from March 12, 1999 through and including October 26, 2004 are members of the AT&T Wireless Class, and that all persons who have or had a Cingular account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset (other than an iPhone) from Cingular from March 12, 1999 through and including December 31, 2009, and all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from October 27, 2004 through and including December 31, 2009 are members of the Cingular Class.

Excluded from the Classes and all Subclasses are any judicial officer presiding over these actions, the members of his/her immediate family, and any juror assigned to these actions.

Judge Smith also specified that all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless personal account with a California area code and a California billing address who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from March 12, 1999 through and including October 26, 2004 are members of the AT&T Wireless Consumer Subclass, and that all persons who have or had a Cingular personal account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset (other than an iPhone) from Cingular from March 12, 1999 through and including December 31, 2009, and all persons who have or had an AT&T Wireless personal account with a California area code and a California billing address and who purchased a locked handset from AT&T Wireless from October 27, 2004 through and including December 31, 2009 are members of the Cingular Consumer Subclass.

Judge Smith also ordered that all members of the AT&T Wireless Consumer Subclass who are or were parties to AT&T Wireless Service Agreements dated January 1, 2001 through and including October 26, 2004 are members of the AT&T Wireless Arbitration Subclass, and that all members of the Cingular Consumer Subclass who are or were parties to Cingular Service Agreements dated January 1, 2001 through December 31, 2009, or to an AT&T Wireless Service Agreement dated after October 26, 2004 are members of the Cingular Arbitration Subclass.

Excluded from the Classes and all Subclasses are any judicial officer presiding over these actions, the members of his/her immediate family, and any juror assigned to these actions.

      YOUR RIGHTS AND OPTIONS

You have to decide whether to stay in the Class or ask to be excluded before the trial, and you have to decide this now.

12. What happens if I do nothing at all?

You don't have to do anything now if you want to keep the possibility of getting money or benefits from these lawsuits. By doing nothing you are staying in the Class of which you are a member. If you stay in and the Plaintiffs obtain money or benefits for your Class, as a result of either the trial or a settlement, you will be notified about whether you will need to apply for a share, and if so, how to do so. Keep in mind that if you do nothing now, regardless of whether the Plaintiffs win or lose the trials, you will not be able to sue, or continue to sue, AT&T Wireless or Cingular, respectively — as part of any other lawsuit — about the same legal claims that are the subject of these lawsuits. You will also be legally bound by all of the Orders the Court issues and judgments the Court makes.

13. Why would I ask to be excluded?

If you are a member of the AT&T Wireless Class and you already have your own lawsuit against AT&T Wireless for locking your handset and want to continue with it, or you are a member of the Cingular Class and you already have your own lawsuit against Cingular for locking your handset and want to continue with it, you need to ask to be excluded from the Class of which you are a member. If you exclude yourself from the Class — which also means to remove yourself from the Class, and is sometimes called "opting-out" of the Class — you won't get any money or benefits from that lawsuit even if the Plaintiffs obtain them as a result of the trial or from any settlement (that may or may not be reached) between AT&T Wireless or Cingular and the Plaintiffs. However, you may then be able to sue or continue to sue AT&T Wireless or Cingular for locking a handset that you purchased at any time. If you exclude yourself, you will not be legally bound by the Court's judgments in the class action from which you have opted out.

14. How do I ask the Court to exclude me from the Class?

To ask to be excluded from the AT&T Wireless Class, you must send a letter, postmarked by March 15, 2010, to AT&T Wireless Handset Locking Exclusions, P.O. Box 8060, San Rafael, CA 94912-8060, stating that you want to be excluded from the Class in Meoli, et al. v. AT&T Wireless et al. To ask to be excluded from the Cingular Class, you must send a letter, postmarked by March 15, 2010, to Cingular Handset Locking Exclusions, P.O. Box 8060, San Rafael, CA 94912-8060, stating that you want to be excluded from the Class in Mendoza, et al. v. Cingular Wireless et al. Be sure to include your name, address and telephone number, and sign the letter. This letter must be actually received by the addressee by March 15, 2010.

      THE LAWYERS REPRESENTING YOU

15. Do the Class Members have a lawyer in these cases?

The Court appointed the law firms of Bramson, Plutzik, Mahler & Birkhaeuser, LLP, of Walnut Creek, CA, and Law Offices of Scott A. Bursor, of New York, NY, to represent the plaintiffs and all Class Members in both the Meoli and Mendoza actions. Together the law firms are called "Class Counsel." More information about these law firms, their practices, and their lawyers' experience is available at www.bramsonplutzik.com and www.bursor.com.

16. Should I get my own lawyer?

If you choose to remain in the Class, you do not need to hire your own lawyer because Class Counsel is working on your behalf. But, if you want your own lawyer, you will be responsible for paying that lawyer. For example, you can ask him or her to appear in Court for you if you want someone other than Class Counsel to speak for you.

17. How will the lawyers be paid?

If Class Counsel get money or benefits for the Class in either Meoli or Mendoza, they may ask the Court for fees and expenses. You won't have to pay these fees and expenses now. If the Court grants Class Counsel's request, the fees and expenses would be either deducted from any money obtained for the Class in that case or paid separately by either AT&T Wireless or Cingular, as the case may be.

      THE TRIAL

The Court has scheduled trials to decide who is right in both of these cases.

18. How and when will the Court decide who is right?

As long as the case isn't resolved by a settlement or otherwise, Class Counsel will have to prove the Plaintiffs' claims in these cases, including at trials if necessary. There is no guarantee that the Plaintiffs will win, or that they will get any money for either the AT&T Wireless Class or the Cingular Class.

19. Do I have to come to the trial?

The Court has not yet decided how any trials are to be conducted. You do not need to attend the trials. Class Counsel will present the case for the Plaintiffs, and AT&T Wireless and Cingular, respectively, will present their defenses. You or your own lawyer are welcome to attend either trial at your own expense. If you are needed, you will be contacted at the appropriate time.

20. Will I get money after the trials?

If the Plaintiffs obtain money or benefits as a result of a trial or a settlement of claims for a class of which you are a member, you will be notified about how to participate. You also may be notified in the event the plaintiffs are unsuccessful. We do not know how long this will take.

      GETTING MORE INFORMATION

21. Are more details available?

Visit the website, www.attlockinglawsuits.com, where you will find the Court's 11/25/09 Order Granting Motions for Class Certification in the two cases, the Court's 12/17/09 Order on Definition of Class in Cingular and AWS Handset Cases, the Court's further order regarding class definition dated January 6, 2010, the Plaintiffs' Complaints, the Defendants' Answers and Affirmative Defenses to the Complaints, and contact information for Class Counsel. You may also contact Class Counsel by writing to: AT&T Wireless/Cingular Locking Class Actions, P.O. Box 8060, San Rafael, CA 94912-8060. Please do not contact the Court, AT&T Wireless, Cingular or AT&T Mobility regarding this Notice or the lawsuit itself.

DATE:January 6, 2010

Submission + - Restructured Ruby-on-Rails hits beta (theregister.co.uk)

Submitted by Curlsman
Curlsman writes: 'Rails founder David Heinemeier blogged that Ruby on Rails 3.0 "feels lighter, more agile, and easier to understand" in spite of the changes.'
So, is version 3 of RoR going to be a big deal, more of the same (good or bad), or just churning technology?

Comment First two sections (Score 3, Interesting) 63

by Curlsman (#31025124) Attached to: The Art of Scalability
are not going to happen in large organizations.
Nobody ever knows everything about the strategy or organizational structure, and the people and managers change places and responsibilities faster than any project can proceed.
And continuity, crisis and incident management are only longed for when the systems are down and eveybody is expected to work continuously until they're fixed, but never when it's time to pay for it.

Comment Re:WTF (Score 1) 496

by Curlsman (#29969388) Attached to: Your browser's home page is...
BBC World Service on short wave is no longer aimed at the US: BBC America (video and streaming) and it's commercials replaced it.

I listened to the first gulf war through BBC London at 10MHz on a 5-band AM radio that my grandparents bought from Sears in 1939: floor-standing with cross-cut walnut veneers, 10 vacuum tubes. After an hour of news with about 30 minutes of more in-depth reporting that all of the US television "news" combined, there would be 30 minutes radio performance of Dickens ("Tale of Two Cities", I think...).

NPR does come close, though Berkeley's KPFA might be considered interplanetary communication (without SETI...)
NASA

Submission + - NASA iPhone app full of surprises for space geeks (cnet.com)

Submitted by Curlsman
Curlsman writes: "Designed to provide information, updates, and images on all current and scheduled NASA missions, the app--which can be found in Apple's App Store under the name "NASA app for iPhone"--nicely allows you to search for any specific mission, say, Constellation, and then find information and images just for that project."

Free, and just downloaded to my IPhone with no problems.
Several missions on front page, but no Hubble pics (at least directly).
Although this is a good step, I think thank NASA still doesn't get how to make thier PR widely embraceable because Hubble's spectacular pics are an easy way to draw people in.
Apple

Submission + - Apple doomed: IPhone, Mac sales boost Apple profit (sfgate.com)

Submitted by Curlsman
Curlsman writes: "Apple Inc. reported on Monday a 47 percent jump in profit for its fiscal fourth quarter, ending a robust financial year in which it consistently beat Wall Street expectations and defied a global recession."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/19/BUJN1A7PS8.DTL#ixzz0UReRfgOq

[flamebait on] it's not Windows/PC/do-it-your-self enough, it's not Open enough, it's not Unix/Linux enough, it's not technically cutting edge enough, it's not Betamax... [flamebait off]

This is not about the technology, but is about how it works for the end user, and Apple has tried hard to be good at that.
And it's maiking money in a down economy at the same time.

More from the linked article:
"Revenue jumped by 25 percent to $9.87 billion with profit of $1.67 billion ($1.82 per diluted share) in the quarter ending Sept. 26. During the same quarter last year, Apple reported revenue of $7.9 billion and income of $1.14 billion ($1.26).
The results blew past the expectations of analysts, who had predicted revenue of $9.2 billion ($1.42).
For the year, Apple reported revenue growth of 12 percent and net income growth of 18 percent. Apple posted annual revenue of $36.5 billion and net income of $5.7 billion compared with $32.5 billion in revenue and $4.8 billion in income a year earlier.
The Cupertino company's surge came courtesy of record growth for Mac computers and iPhones. Helped by its strongest back-to-school season ever and the launch of its Snow Leopard operating system, Apple sold 3.05 million Macs, a 17 percent jump over last year. IPhone sales also hit a quarterly record, with 7.4 million sold, representing a 7 percent year-over-year increase.
Despite the launch of a new iPod Nano with video recording last month, Apple sold 10.2 million iPod units, an 8 percent decline compared with last year. Apple has said previously that iPod sales are expected to slow as more cell phones include MP3 capability.
"We are thrilled to have sold more Macs and iPhones than in any previous quarter," Apple CEO Steve Jobs said in a statement. "We've got a very strong lineup for the holiday season and some really great new products in the pipeline for 2010."
For the coming quarter, Apple predicted revenue of $11.3 billion to $11.6 billion and earnings of $1.70 to $1.78 per share.
Analyst Brian Marshall with Broadpoint AmTech Research said the results solidify Apple's reputation as the gold standard among technology companies, achieving huge growth while its peers struggle.
"I think it's all about the way the company continues to perform," Marshall said. "It's really flawless execution, continuing to fuel their ecosystem and doing a great job from a cost perspective."
In after-hours trading, Apple shares shot up more than 6 percent."

Comment Re:VMS? (Score 1) 875

by Curlsman (#29458857) Attached to: Old Operating Systems Never Die

The Alpha chip is no longer manufactured (IMHO: Alphacide committed by COMPAQ to help it get bought by HP), but HP is continuing to release new versions of VMS for Alpha that has most of the functionality of the Integrity release: a common 64 bit code base is used, which was substantially different from the 32 bit code for VAX. Differences between Alpha and Integrity are that some hardware and software is not availabe for VMS Alpha systems: Serial SCSI comes to mind, and Intel's Itainium port of Sun's HotSpot JVM.

Comment Re:VMS? (Score 3, Interesting) 875

by Curlsman (#29457093) Attached to: Old Operating Systems Never Die

Version 8.4 of OpenVMS for Integrity and Alpha is entering beta (field test) for prodution release early next year.
h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.863c3e4cbcdc3f3515b49c108973a801/?ciid=66a2aea9e2f73210VgnVCM100000a360ea10RCRD

To be sure, this is about a year late, and HP has laid off most of the experienced team (including some original developers from the 1970's) moving development to India (where DEC has started development teams decades ago), so it's not as if this is HP's lead investment. I've met some of the Indian developers, and they seemed intelligent, interested in promoting VMS, and willing to learn new and unique skills specific to VMS (i.e. crash dump analysis).

VAX/VMS is still at version 7.3, and will probably stay there, although patches are still being released.

There is a free licensing program for non-commercial use for any VAX, Alpha, or Integrity system, including emulators (SIMH is free and supports VAX).
www.openvmshobbyist.com

Comment Re:Unfair Blame to Both Google And AltaRock (Score 5, Informative) 295

by Curlsman (#28462911) Attached to: Google Funding the Next Big One?

Born and raised in California, earthquakes tend to be boring:
Magnitude 3.x is what the news programs talk about in between the weather and highway traffic.
4.x tends to be somebody says something fell over.
5.x is when you start to notice...

Loma Prieta was 6.9 and the epicenter about 60 miles from my home, about the same distance to the houses that collapsed and burned in San Francisco. It's not the distance but the local ground conditions that made the difference: the only thing that happened at my house was an empty soda can fell over. In the Marina District, the landfill (from the 1906 earthquake) turned to jello, something like that happened in Oakland to the freeway, and my house on a natural slope was fine.

Besides, there is no "if" about a coming large quake, only "when", and to a lesser extent where: most likely the northern end on the Hayward fault. Santa Rosa would be the San Andreas fault.

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