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Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

McCain-Feingold was not an attempt to "prevent people from gathering together in a group, pooling their resources, and using those resources to express an opinion about politics"

That's exactly what it was. How else would you characterize you being subject to felony federal charges if you (personally, or as part of a group) run an issue or party advocacy ad in the week before an election? It wasn't about the size or loudness of the "megaphone," it was about political speech, period. Unless you are part of one of the groups that the law allowed to continue. Which is the second reason why the law was struck down - unequal protection. The law abridged free speech, and applied the law unevenly to different parties. Unconstitutional right out of the gate on both counts.

Comment Re:Shocked he survived (Score 1) 327

The DC FRZ is indeed there to cut down on the need to deal with a bunch of yahoos buzzing very high-profile targets. But the who decided to fly his gyrocopter right past crowds after a low-level pass over an urban area is up for reckless operation charges from the FAA either way. That bit of idiocy is idiocy whether it's done around people in DC or around people in downtown Miami.

Comment Re:Shocked he survived (Score 1) 327

Being subjected to over paid messages is NOT free speech it PAID for speech

It would be great if you can point out where, in the First Amendment, it says that your rights to say what you want about politics is taken away if you do it by, say, paying a printer to copy your message onto 500 pieces of paper you want to hand out. Paid speech! Paid speech! The government must censor that, since it took money to reproduce the message and spread it around!

Do you even listen to yourself?

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

We don't even have to get IN to whether or to what degree one ad or another does or doesn't feel "fair" to you. Because it all comes down to what you want: censorship. Until you just plainly say what you want, there's no point getting into the rest of it. And you won't come out and say it because you know that the control you want is not compatible with the constitution.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

There! Just like always, you run away because you can't reconcile your desire for control of other people with the constitution's limits on the government doing so.

You want the government to limit speech, but you don't have the personal integrity to say it out loud. What are you afraid of? Explain how you'd reconcile the censorship you desire with the first amendment. But you'll pretend, once again, that you didn't see anyone asking you to face the music. Pretty childish way of admitting you're wrong, but I guess it's one way for you to do it. Glad you've come to your senses.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

i stopped reading here

No you didn't. But you're pretending you did so that you can avoid having to actually do what you're being challenged to do: come up with your version of a government law that limits speech while not violating the first amendment. You know you can't do it, so you're pretending you didn't see that part.

Everything else you're saying is you trying to distract from the fact that what you want is irreconcilable with the constitution. So that you can avoid confronting that reality, you're just blathering. This is exactly what you did when presented with contextual facts surrounding the second amendment. The moment you're asked to reconcile your agenda with the constitution, you have a fit and leave, so that you don't have to demonstrate that your position is untenable.

Too bad. Not letting you off the hook. Try again:

How would you write a law that empowers the government to prevent speech, without changing the first amendment? Be specific.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

the law says you can unfairly manipulate and dominate a conversation by flooding it with bought and paid for propaganda and lies

No, the law said absolutely nothing about the content of the political speech. You know this, so saying that it was about "lies" is you: lying. The law said nothing about "dominating" a conversation, or "flooding" anything. That's you, lying.

What the law did say was that if you, yourself, personally, ran an ad in the local newspaper to say that, maybe, you think gay marriage shouldn't be illegal, and that congressional candidate (or party) X is wrong for saying it should be illegal ... YOU ARE NOW A FEDERAL FELON for having had that opinion printed. This is your idea of how the first amendment works? I know you'll say yes, because you've shown over and over again that you're willing to pretend the constitution says things that it doesn't, in order to allow you to support the government violating that charter.

your stunning naivete

Blah blah blah ... what's really amazing is that YOU are so naive that you actually think people aren't capable of reading the words of a law and seeing that you are deliberately, purposefully lying about it. How about this: YOU point out the actual words in McCain-Feingold that talk about the size, accuracy, cost, merit, or any other qualities of political speech, and we'll have something to talk about. YOU show how the law's baked-in violation of the Equal Protection clause wasn't being violated, and we'll have something to talk about. But you won't, because you know you can't.

Since you can't manage to defend your position on constitutional grounds, why not try this: propose a law that prevents people from gathering together in a group, pooling their resources, and using those resources to express an opinion about politics ... and which doesn't break the first amendment. Remember, the first amendment says that congress shall pass no law that abridges speech. So the law you want, which will stop people from speaking, has to pass that test. Please write down, here, the language of that law, and how it would work. If you don't, then you're showing yourself to be the disingenuous person you appear to be. Otherwise, admit that what you really want is for the first amendment to be altered. It's one of the other, you can't have it both ways.

OK, I'll save you the trouble: you can't write a law that uses government power to shut people up unless you violate the first amendment. So we get to what you really want: you want to trash the first amendment. Just admit it, you'll feel much better not having to pretend you mean something else, and knowing that everybody can see right through your little charade.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

no one is telling anyone not to talk

The law that was struck down did exactly that. It made it a federal crime for some people, and not others, to talk. You know this, so why are you lying?

what is being said is that your speech should rise and fall on its merit alone

But because you can't get enough people to find your personal ideas to have enough merit to "rise," you want the government to stop other people from gathering together to speak their minds? You don't want merit, you want to use government force to make other people silent because you don't like what someone else has to say.

they are stopped

How? They are prevented from running web sites? No. Prevented from using social media? No. Prevented from doing what you're doing right now? No. But under the law you say you prefer, they WERE prevented, by the government, from expressing political opinions ... unless they were the people running the media outlet, in which case they were allowed to. So, you want NBC to be able to speak about politics, you just don't want me to, and you're willing to scrap the first amendment and use government force to stop me from ... spending $50 to run an ad in my local paper, explaining why a congressional candidate's policy position is wrong-headed? You must really have zero confidence in your own ability to voice a coherent opinion if you're so willing to give up the first amendment in order to silence someone else. Complete cowardice.

you're trying to deny a very obvious fact: that money can influence opinion unfairly

It's only unfair when people like you use the power of the government to pick and choose which groups of people are allowed to communicate. You want to trash the first amendment so that political appointees working in the FEC can choose to prosecute someone for running that page-two ad, while MSNBC can spend half an hour on the air expressing the opinion you prefer. Are you really so foolish that you think your hypocrisy on this isn't completely transparent? Are you so unable to find merit in your own opinions or your ability coherently communicate them that you'd prefer to take away other people's rights to speak, just so you don't have to get your act together? Talk about craven intellectual laziness.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

people are easy to confuse and don't have the time to research topics

So instead of using your constitutionally protected rights to assemble with like minded people and speak to your heart's content in order to inform and persuade others to see things they way you'd like, you're opting for "people are dumb, so we need the government to silence others with whom I disagree." Right out of every totalitarian's playbook. Hope you're proud of yourself.

those who derive cash from unfair sources

Ah, now we're getting to the heart of the matter. You don't think it's fair that other people make money in ways of which you don't approve. Are you talking about criminals? Then you should be supporting the prosecution of crime, not the destruction of the constitution's protection from government muzzling of free speech. But then, people who know they don't have a persuasive message always look to use force to prevent others from saying things. You're in good company with lots of tinpot dictators, fascists, and other totalitarians throughout history. It's a good thing the people who wrote the constitution had just had lots of experience with people just like you, and constructed a national charter that prevents people like you from using government force to silence those you don't like.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

you do understand people lie in the service of their agenda, right?

Of course, people do it all the time. I've watched you do it here, many times. But would you prefer that the government stop you from being able to talk?

keep people dumb and divided, and you can keep robbing them

Which is exactly why we have a First Amendment. So that the government can't be in the business of shutting down speech.

this notion that money is the equivalent of speech is stupid and laughable

So why do you keep perpetuating a false idea? Money isn't speech, speech is speech. And you want to get more people to hear what you have to say, you're going to have to get what you want to say out in front of a larger audience. What's your suggestion ... that someone else pay for your ability to do so, because you can't get enough traction with your ideas on your own? Or that people who do get more traction should be silenced by the government so that your ideas, which can't compete, still get plenty of attention? What happens then? Every person with a nonsense agenda is equally heard? THAT is the "noise" you're talking about.

People who have good enough ideas to attract the support of others, so that they can voice their opinions in concert, aren't stopped from doing so. But the law you seem to prefer was shutting them up. If your ideas can't seem to get any support from other people, I guess I can see why you'd be in favor of the government silencing other people. Luckily, we have a constitution that doesn't allow that.

Comment Re:the real crazy: (Score 1) 327

So if you persuade 100,000 other people to agree with you on an topic and decide to act in concert to make sure that the rest of the country notice your take on things (by doing things like running a good web site, using social media, maybe running some ads), that's corruption, to you? Or is it only corruption when you don't like what 100,000 other people get together and say and you happen to disagree with them? Yeah, I thought so.

Comment Re:Shocked he survived (Score 1) 327

you can pay large amounts to have ads run on a particular issue that just so happens to be one of the core parts of a particular candidate's campaign platform

Yes. Imagine that! Expressing your opinion about politics! This must be stopped! We can't have people saying what they think. And we certainly can't allow them to assemble as a group and speak their minds about a political topic on which they share an opinion. Unacceptable! That pesky first amendment is dangerous and must be taken away!

Comment Re:Shocked he survived (Score 1) 327

Why are you so emotional about it?

Because it was a reckless stunt in the service of a guy who wants to limit free speech. I consider his motivations to be wrong-headed, and thus his willingness to risk other people's lives in pursuit of his agenda to be especially obnoxious.

Yes, "dodgy." The very nature of that aircraft is that it's especially delicate, particularly susceptible to unexpected changes in wind conditions, and particularly dangerous to bystanders if it comes down in an uncontrolled way. It's a big weed-eater.

would have been legal over Atlanta

Actually no, it would not have. You're confusing the FAA's requirements for (or lack of them, for certain machines) a pilot's license with their take on reckless operation. The best footage of this idiot's approach to the capital lawn was taken from within a group of students standing one twitch of his control stick from being what he landed on. Never mind his deliberate violation of the DC FRZ, which brings very real risks to the people around him as he flies a machine in a place where he's very much at risk of having his aircraft shot out of the sky.

Speed? He was going plenty fast enough to kill someone, even without the exposed lawnmower blades.

Why do you hate helicopters?

Why pretend I've said or implied something I haven't? It's the behavior, not the tool. Gyrocopters don't kill people, gyrocopter pilots do.

Should they all be banned from urban areas? If not, you are a lying hypocrite.

I think they should be subject to exactly the same rules that govern the flight of a Piper Cub (though the Cub is much safer).

Comment Re:Balls of steel (Score 0) 327

It's a lot easier to be heard when you have money

Right. It's a lot easier to hand out leaflets if you have a printing press. Can't afford one? Have a good enough message that people who DO have a printing press will agree with you and help to print some stuff up. Or help air an ad, etc.

This is what was wrong with the law the court struck down: it was preventing people from gathering together and pooling their resources to speak in a more organized way. Counter-constitutional on many levels, and absolutely deserved the fate that it got. And you're exactly correct about the hypocrisy when it's the left's darlings throwing around big piles of money.

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