So Obamacare moves forward today regardless of the shutdown, right? That means people can start enrolling in services today. What happens if the Republicans actually get a delay to Obamacare in a future Bills to raise the debt ceiling, or manage to repeal? What happens to the people now invested in a health care plan? Do they just lose it? I forsee a lot of really pissed off Joe the plumbers in the warmup to a pretty significant election year.

Ugh... Judy is SUCH a bitch. This one time, at Band Camp... Nevermind.

Cycling the used battery will tell the vendor the capacity and viability of the battery core. Refurbishing the battery with new cells isn't really a big deal if they've designed it right, the plastics and charge circuity should have a definable service life. Cell prices go down exponentially in volume, so with automated assembly process I can see that "refurbished" battery modules can be totally viable, until you start buying them on Ebay from China..... As for core disposal, there are established services like Toxco that every VAR and assembler I've ever hard of use.

I was expecting him to follow up, and he didn't, so I see your point.

I think he speculated, not claimed.

You're also the best gauge for judging exposure. That is, of course assuming you aren't a completely flawed unit to begin with, which I consider reasonable.

Methinks your horse is higher than his. TWiTfan made a valid observation. That was all.

LOL. I hit cancel on that post, by the way. /. fail.

Exactly. My wife has been sending me SMS messages with pics of my kids white-knuckling the armrests during takeoff on their summer vacation trips this year. I'd be shocked she was the only one on her flights.

Ohhhh nice AC. If I catched a fish and told you I did, and you corrected me, I'd punched you in the faces.

Probably a Jobs Program as well.

I wonder how Canada will fare when that age comes.

That doesn't change my point. Tell me how there wasn't and isn't room for human error in either argument. Your point is merely convenient. Nice having a non-AC commenting btw,

Sigh... The real world doesn't work that way. It's really that simple. As long as there is a human element involved there is room for mistakes, for incompetence, for that one guy that was supposed to check the other guy's work but didn't because it's been a long day and he's tired and his partner always got it right before, or they've never worked together, or he's a rookie, or...whatever. I get what you're saying, but I suspect that you haven't worked in a field that has grave consequences for mistakes. Through training and discipline you're able to minimize risk factors, but at some point the stars align and something you didn't anticipate happens. Look at Corrections and early parole. The PO reviews the case, makes a decision to release to the community, the parole board reviews that, approves, and out the con goes. How many times have we all hard about recidivism (in some cases really nasty stuff) where someone re-offends and ends right back in the slam? Regulation helps, but enforcement has to come through audits and response. The 1st is usually random and the 2nd is after the fact. How does that stop the Boogyman from showing up?

As a West Coast resident, I really hope that's exactly what happens. I shudder when I think of the possible consequences to our food chain in the long term.