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Comment Re:Beta comment from an old-timer (Score 1) 77

Interesting. I cruised around the site a little and found this bit about the "psychology" of social engagement. Maybe somebody at Slashdot is using this to try to understand us... so they can design Beta to be more "engaging". If so, I think they've got us figured all wrong.

http://slashdotmedia.com/under...

Here's the little comment I left there. (It's still pending... it'll be interesting to see if they actually post it.)

It's interesting that this includes Slashdot... mostly because any conclusions you might draw from it will be horribly wrong if you're trying to understand the Slashdot community. I think I see now where some of the design imperatives driving the Beta site are coming from, and unfortunately, they might end up driving away all the people that actually create the content.

Comment Re:I don't get the big deal (Score 1) 2219

You're obviously not paying attention then. Plenty of people have posted *exactly* what's wrong with the comment system in beta. Maybe you haven't seen them because you're actually using beta?

Look, you have to understand something: Slashdot discussions generate interesting content by allowing tons of garbage to be posted, mixed around, and evolved. Part of the evolution comes from the interactive nature of community discussion, and part of it comes from the moderation process. For this evolution process to work properly, you have to be able to see a lot of posts at once, all in one shot. You need to be able to see some contextual information about the people posting comments. When you post your own comments, you need to be able to quote or link to other posts easily. When you want to moderate, you need to be able to do it in place, at the comment you intend to moderate.

Beta breaks all of these vital features; without them, the nature of Slashdot discussion changes completely. People will read fewer comments because the new layout hinders rapid seeking, scanning, and comprehension of potentially valuable posts... all while making it much more difficult to skim past the stuff that doesn't interest you. When people read fewer comments, they post fewer comments. When the total number of comments starts to drop, the exploration of the discussion space becomes much less thorough. Potentially valuable or interesting discussion paths will be missed. Those rare, but highly sought after gems of insight and wisdom borne from the cesspool of chaos will become much more scarce.

You want to know why people hate the beta so much? It's because it kills the evolutionary discussion dynamic that makes this community what it is. There's nothing else like it, and many of us do not want to lose it.

Submission + - CmdrTaco: Anti-Beta Movement a "Vocal Minority" (washingtonpost.com) 30

Antipater writes: The furor over Slashdot Beta is loud enough that even outside media has begun to notice. The Washington Post's tech blog The Switch has written a piece on the issue, and the anti-Beta protesters aren't going to be happy about it. The Post questioned Slashdot founder Rob Malda, who believes the protests are the work of only a vocal minority or readers: "It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited engineering resources, Malda argues — noting wryly, "It ain't easy."

Comment Re:The Real Travesty (Score 1) 2219

More than once have I seen a parent thread modded -2 (offtopic or trolling), with valuable and interesting child threads below it modded +5

Yes, this is exactly what I was getting at. Think of the comment/moderation system as a kind of genetic algorithm... a somewhat random, nonsensical exploration of the conversation space that eventually evolves better and/or more interesting ideas. Some of the best posts I've ever seen wouldn't have happened without the seeding and fertilization provided by trolls and off-topic commenters.

Comment Re:Meh. (Score 1) 2219

Holy crap! You're right, that's what they're planning to do. They know that the REAL re-design (probably already finished) was going to cause a minor shit-storm, so they made a FAKE beta design that they could back away from in order to institute "Slashdot Classic"! (Somehow not as good as the original, but also not a complete crapfest like beta.)

Comment Re:The Real Travesty (Score 2, Insightful) 2219

I seem to have had this now misguided impression that there was a healthy professional element of the community here who would give constructive feedback but all I've seen is a mob of angry comment children. I hope you all leave when it switches over so we can build anew without you.

Hello, you must be new here. Welcome to Slashdot.

Seriously, your comment shows that you really don't understand Slashdot at all. Thread hijacking by angry comment children is part of the chaos that eventually gets filtered and distilled to yield truly interesting content. This is what makes Slashdot special.

Comment more like 15 years, actually (Score 1) 1

I remember when Andover bought Slashdot. According to wikipedia, that was in 1999. I was certainly a regular reader of Slashdot back then, although I might not have been registered. Anyway, just goes to show you how important Slashdot has been to me... the longest that I've ever stayed in one physical location has been about 10 years. To think that I've been on Slashdot for 15 years kind of boggles my mind.

Comment Re:"...as we migrate our audience..." (Score 1) 232

Believe me, there's no confusion about the immensity of the community's contribution to the site.

That's a bit of an understatement. Without the community, there is no Slashdot. So why do you think the community exists in the first place?...

... because the design permits unfettered chaos while providing the means for users to wade through it quickly and efficiently, so they can easily promote the best content to the top!

Beta hinders that style of conversation. Yes, the chaos does create a lot of noise, but some of that "noise" is valuable. Some of the best posts I've ever seen on Slashdot ... whether funny, insightful, interesting, informative, touching, inspirational, or just plain nuts ... were actually completely off-topic. Beta makes it much more difficult for the chaotic mish-mash to occur, grow, and be distilled.

Comment Re:"...as we migrate our audience..." (Score 4, Insightful) 232

Well, aren't you just an entitled little shit.

Do you not understand his argument, or are you really just an asshole? The value of Slashdot that keeps old-timers coming back, and brings new people in, is the content... and virtually all of that content is created and moderated by the users. Yes, the site itself is valuable as well, but only because it enables a certain style of discussion and fosters a particular kind of community, all built around that user content.

When the site no longer enables the discussion and fosters the community that is Slashdot, it ceases having any value. People will leave. The quantity, quality, and very nature of the content will change... and as that continues, more people will leave. Now you're into a potentially unstoppable death spiral, and whatever remains will be just a pale image of the greatness that once existed.

Do you expect us to keep our mouths shut? We don't want to see Slashdot die! Even if an alternative pops up somewhere, it won't have all the history that this site has. Losing all of that will be tragic.

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I'm not sure how long I've been on Slashdot... at least 10 or 11 years, I guess. It's been a continuous source of enjoyment for me, even though I've never been a particularly active user. Oh, I comment every now and then, I moderate and meta-moderate occasionally, and I may have even tried submitting a story or two at some point (I honestly don't remember). There have been periods when I left Slashdot for some time, when something else really caught my interest and monopolized my attention, b

Comment A sad day (Score 5, Insightful) 234

I'm not sure how long I've been on Slashdot... at least 10 or 11 years, I guess. It's been a continuous source of enjoyment for me, even though I've never been a particularly active user. Oh, I comment every now and then, I moderate and meta-moderate occasionally, and I may have even tried submitting a story or two at some point (I honestly don't remember). There have been periods when I left Slashdot for some time, when something else really caught my interest and monopolized my attention, but I always came back. I felt like I was part of a persistent community that would last.

Now, the previously unthinkable may happen... I may leave and never come back. Beta is that bad. I hate the way it looks, the way it works, and how it will affect all the things I love about Slashdot.

This is really sad. I never thought I would feel this way about a website. I used to enjoy segfault back in the day, and I remember feeling that loss pretty keenly. The loss of slashdot will be infinitely worse. I hope it won't happen, but I fear that it will.

Please, please, please... if anyone at Dice is listening... don't kill my Slashdot.

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