Of course Israel has a notification program for aid groups that this group was definitely participating in. Someone in Israel knew with 100% certainty that those people were not terrorists. Now whether that info made it to where it needed to go I'll likely never know but at a minimum this is a huge fuck up on Israel's part as going by their own systems this shouldnt have happened.
Wtf? All you're doing is engaging in classic bigotry. "This small handful of people here have negative attributes so all people like them have these negative attributes". It's the exact same nonsense "logic" that has been used to put down countless ethnic and religious groups over the centuries.
Only if you're looking to stifle honest debate.
The Palestinians want their own country, and no, IDF troops leaving Gaza is not that. By denying it the Israel's are playing right into Hamas' hands, I doubt they could even make up better propaganda to support their cause.
Once again, Israel is just a country. Even if I were to be buying into false narratives it wouldn't change the fact that all I am doing is harping on Israel, not Jews as a whole.
It's funny though how you claim I'm buying into false Hamas narratives when I've always said Hamas is a bad organization, meanwhile you seem to be buying into every last word Israel tells you rather than thinking for yourself.
Oops, sorry for the second link. That was meant for a point that I never made about Israel working against their only chance at peace.
Wanna talk real world. Arafat and his followers had multiple reasonable peace deals and rejected them all.
It's funny how you're familiar with that factoid but not the fact that Israel has sunk its share of peace effort as well https://theintercept.com/2023/... . Not to mention all the settlement building, every single one being an obstacle to peace.
As for the rest of your post, you're in denial. No people would sit passively during a half century long occupation by a foreign power, particularly in the face of them being slowly driven off their land as Israel is doing with all of its settlement building. As long as Israel holds these people in thrall there will be violence from them directed at Israel. Only when the Palestinians get their own country will there be even a chance at peace for Israel https://www.reuters.com/world/... . Otherwise it's either commit genocide against the Palestinians or endure war eternal for Israel.
You know nothing of the region's history. Palestinians (long before they even called themselves that) have been butchering Jews at every possible opportunity for the last century, including massacres no less horrific than Oct.7. They never needed a reason better than "al-Aqsa is in danger".
No, I'm quite familiar with the history of the region at least enough to know that the real Muslim hate towards Jews only became a big deal after the British in one last bit of colonial arrogance carved out a country and gave it to Jews, most of whom immigrated to the Middle East from Europe both in the decade prior and after WW2. https://www.un.org/unispal/doc.... . One final bit of colonialism to piss all the locals off.
Prior to this they'd have violence turned against them (minorities often have hard times with bigotry even today) on occasion but it was no worse than Europe.
Say it out loud. Israel does bulldoze Arab homes, as explained in the article you shared. Israel does construct settlements. But Israel does not bulldoze Arab homes to make way for settlements. Are we in agreement?
What part of I'm not indulging you bullshit semantics do you not understand? Feel free to scroll up to my other posts if you want a more robust reply to your nonsense.
Not sure what entire world you are talking about, as an ever increasingly large part of the world considers "from the river to the sea" (i.e. all of Israel, Gaza and WB) as Palestinian land, so my question is valid and I need to know where you stand.
Your confusion here seem awfully unfounded for someone questioning my knowledge of the region. Only one country, Iran, has ever withdrawn recognition of Israel as a country and even that was quite some time ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Now that we've established that it's the West Bank we're talking about (there are no Jewish homes in Gaza), what is it that makes you believe that within this territory an Arab may build a home but a Jew may not?
What are you talking about? Of course Jews can build homes in at least parts of the West Bank, Israel has literally annexed West Bank territory and made it their own.
Okay... now what does that have to do with what I just said?
To repeat myself in different words, no people would sit idly by over a half century occupation by a foreign power.
You ignored my most important point: Hamas demonstrated exactly what giving them control over the borders would cause. Imagine what Hamas would have done if they had greater control.
And you've ignored my most important point. imagine how much less power Hamas would have if Israel wasnt giving Palestinians constant reasons to hate them.
There isnt a people on this planet that would sit idly by in the face of a half century of continuous foreign occupation.
This was your precise accusation, and you seem to stand behind it despite it never having actually happened.
Nope, I just refuse to engage people in bullshit semantics debates. I'm not going to play your game.
What I've supported so far is all highly objectionable stuff, there's no reason to build more of a case for Israel provoking the Palestinians.
Secondly, I don't know what you mean what "Palestinian Land" exactly means, can you define it? Which land exactly are we talking about here? Are you basically saying that there exists a land where an Arab may build his home but a Jew may not?
This is a question you have? I'm referring to what the entire world refers to as the Palestinian territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .
I'd argue that the occupation of the GOlan probably was felt to be strategically necessary because it is the HEIGHTS over the nation.
And if they had confined their territorial acquisitions to the 40k people that live in the Golan Heights territory https://www.reuters.com/articl.... they likely wouldnt be having these problems.
Never mind the fact that the occupation of any territory encourages the ill-will of the neighboring region which actually diminishes Israeli security.
However, the current conflict happened when 1400 or so people were murdered
No, what happened on Oct 7 was a single event in a conflict that has been happening for over 50 years. To suggest it started on the 7th is to deny the continuous occupation and everything Israel has done to provoke the Palestinians up until then which is ample.
...as I've already said, adjust for population to the US and it's something like 35K. We had a LONG occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq for 1/10 of that number.
We also had a LONG occupation in both countries before we hit the number of civilian deaths that Israel hit in Palestine in a matter of weeks https://www.oxfam.org/en/press.... and that applies to what I'm saying far more as I've never said horrible shit didnt happen on Oct 7th.
Hahaha, that was good.
On the morning of Oct. 7 there was no resistance to the infiltration of thousands of Hamas fighters by land, sea and air. If this is not control then what is?
Yes, that's what happens in an invasion. That doesnt mean they controlled their borders on Oct 6th or even 8th.
Top hopefully end this stupidity though
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
"Israel controls the Gaza Strip's northern borders, as well as its territorial waters and airspace."
No. You specifically made a very, very ugly accusation - that Israel habitually destroys Arab homes and builds Jewish homes on their ruins.
So it's okay if Israel habitually bulldozes the homes of Palestinians and it's okay that they habitually build on Palestinian land, it's only an ugly accusation if it is done in tandem? Yeah, you're grasping at straws here.
Israel has the means and ability, that if they really wanted all Palestinians dead, they would be. Israel has shown great restraint over the decades, in spite of constant, unprovoked attacks until the horrific war crimes committed on 10/7 forced them to have to declare total war on Hamas.
Since when is not genociding a people benevolent restraint?
And yet the Palestinians have rejected every peaceful offer by Israel for a 2-state solution because they want all Jews dead.
And here are five times Israel prevented peace https://inkstickmedia.com/isra... . It's almost as if both sides are to blame...
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. Hamas are solely and directly responsible for the condition of that area prior to 10/7.
How is this a retort to the comment I made that you quote above it?. It has nothing to do with what I said and really doesnt challenge my point at all. Israel has spent the last two decades doing nothing to further peace and meanwhile has done plenty to encourage animosity.
Neither occupation was a necessity to end the wars, most wars end without the creation of buffer zones. Furthermore, Israel occupied both territories full of natives hostile to them without any sort of plan on what to do about them and they still, over 50 years later, dont have a plan.
Israel chose to create the problems it's having now. Sure, for a while they did at least attempt to find a peaceful way out of it (although they sabotaged peace efforts themselves https://inkstickmedia.com/isra... , not to mention all the settlement building) but there has been zero effort towards that for the last 20 years while Israeli antagonizing of Palestinians continued. How was anyone surprised they were met with violence given their inaction in holding these people in thrall for so long. We rebelled against the British for less.
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