Right you are, I didn't notice at first that minute difference.

Works fine over here on Chrome 6.0.472.62 beta, the Acid2 test looks exactly like the reference.

SRWare Iron was created for the sole purpose of earning the "creator" some money on ad revenue. To borrow from my previous post on the subject:

Everyone mentioning SRWare Iron should know about this little tidbit: The story of Iron. The article and the linked IRC log tell a very interesting story about a guy less concerned with having a good reason to fork and more concerned with making money off of adsense and publicity for creating a "privacy-respecting" Chrome which is basically a perpetually outdated Chromium with a few checkboxes in "Under the Hood" defaulting to off.

The guy who runs that blog does not try to hide the fact that he's a Chrome developer, and he admits that there is the highly unlikely possibility that the person who was asking these questions was not the person who went on to release Iron. I was skeptical as well until I checked out the log file itself and quite honestly it would have to be an incredible coincidence for this guy to be asking such questions and providing the information that he does in his attempts to glean information on the right way to advertise his product as well as how to go about renaming the executable. There's more that makes it very reasonable to believe this is the guy who went on to release Iron, so please don't dismiss it until you've checked out the log file in detail. If this was a supremely unnecessary and elaborate hoax it sure is pulled off convincingly.

Using Iron after reading this information made me feel like I was supporting the wrong guy here and I couldn't do it anymore, it was just too uncomfortable seeing that this guy was looking for adsense revenue and to make a name for himself. The attitude of this developer is not one I would encourage at all.

I don't think it should deviate the way it has so far with Shell on desktops, and have other hopes for GNOME 3.0. :)

Is gnome a product?

Yes, it is. GNOME is a product (software project) that is included with various other products into a meta-product (for-pay distributions, as well as distros that offer support contracts). Matter of fact, a product doesn't have to cost money or be proprietary in order to be considered a product, but the GNOME project has to push their product or they risk losing relevance, market share and mind share if they appear to be dragging their feet and lagging in progress.

Its delay proves gross incompetence to whom?

The core GNOME developers and maintainers of the project along with various sub-projects which have fallen behind schedule quite a bit are to blame.

I'm not personally of the mindset that any of these delays constitutes anything more than very bad management and planning.

Isn't this what open source was suppose to be about? No shareholders to answer to, the software is realeased when it's done?

No, it's not what OSS was supposed to be about and it's not what it is about. The shareholders in the F/OSS world are not only the community members but any businesses which have a significant stake in releasing a solid product. Don't think that if GNOME falls far behind KDE or anything else that major distributions won't drop support for it, or simply remove it entirely from its repositories. Case in point -- Slackware. GNOME failed as a product to satisfy the Slackware developers (Meaning Patrick Volkerding, primarily, if I recall correctly) and was thus dropped in favor of KDE. If it becomes a pain in the butt for RedHat to support a GNOME desktop on RHEL because GNOME feels old and/or crusty they will look for other options.

In short, GNOME can take as long as they want getting to 3.0, but other software projects (especially desktop environments and window managers) are not stopping and waiting for them to play catch-up. The lesson to take away from this is to be a little more conservative about estimates for getting projects needing more attention out the door. Maybe they lost a few or many developers or volunteers, but the most likely explanation to a lot of people will appear to be that they underestimated how much time and how many developers and testers were needed.

FWIW, as someone who wants to see GNOME Shell and 3.0 finished, I am at least glad they have recognized publicly that GNOME Shell is absolutely nowhere near ready. I've tried it out a few times in various distros and it's about as disappointing as can be as far as performance and stability. If they would have stuck to their original release schedule this would have been far worse than the reaction to KDE4 when it landed. It would be like the Four Yorkshiremen skit with the GNOME 3.0 early adopters scoffing at how much easier the KDE 4.0 early adopters had it.

We shouldn't need to give examples of wingnuts claiming we need censorship for particular things, it should be common knowledge that wingnuts on both sides are fond of calling for censorship of opposing viewpoints. The Left does this, the Right does this, everyones shit stinks figuratively speaking. Censoring books in libraries that deal with homosexuality to any degree (except in a negative light) is something that the Right is guilty of. Being the first to implement what has become known as 'free speech zones' is something the Left (if you really want to insist that the Left is represented by the DNC, which I will accept for the purposes of this discussion but don't necessarily agree with) is guilty of. Insisting that one religion be propped up at the expense of another on public grounds (The courthouse 10 commandments case, Alabama I believe) is something the Right is guilty of.

I am not saying the Left doesn't mess up, and I'm not saying the Right are the ones always messing up. I am just pointing out what should be obvious to everyone but partisans, that neither side can claim to be on a pedestal of anti-censorship and pro-free-thought. If you want to start slamming the Left for censoring opposing viewpoints, you are being disingenuous if you refuse to acknowledge that the Right is guilty as well, just for different reasons. Certainly we can agree on the point that both sides of the political spectrum are populated largely by average Joe Sixpacks who make mistakes in judgement on a wide variety of issues, including what should and shouldn't be censored or banned?

P.S. -- I really don't agree at all with the logic that it costs so much more to have ballots printed in multiple languages when we are and should be moving to make it as electronic as possible, while at the same time ensuring as well as we can the integrity of elections. I will however grant you that some people legitimately feel that this is a good reason to mandate a national language, even if I think it's a futile solution in search of a problem. (How much does it really cost anyways to provide these few printings in different languages, seeing as how it would be rather daft to print equal amounts of each language knowing that demand is not equal? A drop of water in a well I am sure)

I was unaware of anyone who wanted there to be a law against the Piss Christ. I know that a lot of people protested that their tax dollars were used to fund "art" that they considered offensive. I'm not sure how instituting an official national language (even if fluency in it is required for residency) is an attempt to make it a crime to offend someone.

Do you really expect the media outlets to go out of their way to find the people who would support such a ban? I don't have an article to link to where someone flat-out states that art or depictions like Piss Christ should be banned, but you are fooling yourself if you honestly don't think that there were fundies who wanted it banned.

As for the official national language, how does it not come down to the supporters being offended that any other language is considered equal to English in the USA? Supporters are offended that some people place more cultural value on where they are from (Russia, Ukraine, Middle East, Mexico, Spain, I could go on and on) and they would rather force these people to assimilate by legislating that English is the language one must speak in this country.

Can you give me an example where religious fundies(non-Muslim) attempted to limit free speech in the same vein as the Taliban? You do understand that the left in the US has actually instituted limits on speech in areas where they have institutional control.

I just gave multiple examples that you attempted to deflect as irrelevant because you were unable to discern the connections. Let's see then, if you want a solid concrete example of religious fundies attempting to impose their will how about looking at the groups that support the murdering of abortion doctors? I believe it was Richard Dawkins who interviewed a friend of the murderer of Dr. Tiller, and that man is certainly not alone in thinking that Biblical law is above the government. There are plenty of people who feel this way, and just because they aren't plastered over the media day in and day out doesn't mean they don't exist and feel the way they do.

Furthermore, I am well aware of the disgusting practice of creating 'free speech zones' and I am also well aware that they are utilized by both the Left and Right in this country, while you are content to act like only the Left does it. Disingenuous much? Both sides are dirty in this regard, stop pretending the Left is the only side with idiots who support 'free speech zones'.

Yeah, because nobody on the Right in America wants to "make it a crime to offend someone." Two words -- Piss Christ. There are plenty of other examples, but neither side has a monopoly on trying to shut the other up over offending feelings.

In case someone wants to try to argue about the NEA funding for Piss Christ (as if that should make a lick of difference) how about trying to institute a national language and require fluency in it for residency? How about the religious fundies the Right picks up in droves to boost poll numbers who would absolutely love the same limits to free speech in the same vein as say, the Taliban. But no, it's the Left and the evil Political Correctness machine that's determined to put a gag on free speech. It couldn't possibly be caused by a problem that both sides have, which are wingnuts and extremists.

If you have a shitty high school science teacher who doesn't mention anything about evolution, you probably learned about evolution on your own when you were interested in dinosaurs as a kid. If not, you'll learn it in your introductory biology classes in undergrad. You'll come across it at some point. It's not like high school is the only place learning goes on.

It often seems like very few people spend any amount of time outside of school (when enrolled currently or not) doing any sort of learning that they don't feel they need to do for their career or hobby. I very seriously doubt that your average high-school graduate American would at any point during their life after graduation take a critical look at evolution if they were never educated about it in school. Most high-school graduates who don't go on to some form of higher education think that they've done their time and a surprisingly large amount of the population on a whole places very little value on reading. Self-education is a logical extension to this severe lack of interest in reading, and indeed many people object quite strongly to reading.

I talk specifically about Americans merely because it's the culture that I'm familiar with, but around here most people do not consider reading something to do for leisure. All of this being considered, I don't think that we can afford to abdicate the responsibility of educating students properly in the hopes that they will educate themselves on their own time.

"When even the x264 developers comment that it's very similar to H.264 you can bet that some of the 1000+ patents on H.264 apply."

Why would you trust an x264 developer to not have a biased opinion about something like this? How is this not exactly the same as Microsoft claiming that Linux infringes on so many patents yet at the same time nobody making such claims want to specify what exactly the problem is? Not that any of it should matter because (software) patents are BS and made to be abused, but why is it that we have all these people (I'm especially looking at Steve Jobs here) taking this one developers word as gospel truth, his comparisons without flaw. We should all be wary of who is telling us what, and it's important for a lot of people to realize that yes, there are probably some infringements, but when everyone infringes on everyone else the system is broken beyond repair. To pretend that H.264's shit doesn't stink, to borrow a crude phrase to describe the situation, is beyond ridiculous.

I mean seriously, this kind of blustering is expected for stuff like political discourse in many parts of the world. Why do we have to tolerate it when it comes to innovation and the progress of mankind? I of course realize that governments tolerate it because representatives get money, but we as "ordinary people" should not allow such discourse poisoning at our level.

I guess it all comes down to what us here at Slashdot were continually saying during the whole SCO fiasco -- Put up or shut up. If MPEG LA is going to sue over Theora and VP8, do it already. I would endorse direct intervention on the part of the state dictating that if people don't stop wasting time on this garbage, hindering many fields and pursuits, then the window of opportunity has passed or will pass shortly. It's not like Theora or Dirac or VP8 or x/h264 are completely unknown beasts, and it's not like any involved company who would have a direct financial interest in protecting their IP hasn't had more than enough time to pull a case together to present to a court of law. This is on the level of schoolyard bickering and it needs to be mediated. It's obvious to us observers that the buildup is either for increased financial payout in the end or to merely try to FUD things to death. The law can (and maybe does) care to make such distinctions, but we as people definitely should even if the law does not (and work to change it so the law does).

Fuck off AC, you don't even post any goddamn links.

Either way, you haven't seemed real interested in a productive dialog about this issue. You've told me to "go away", you've put words into my mouth and you've leap to conclusions that aren't supported by my writings. Perhaps we should call it here and just agree to disagree, hmm?

I told you to go away because you make stupid statements about how the left should support corporatism in the name of the workers. I told you to go away because you don't have any scientific basis for your arguments. I told you to go away because you haven't offered a serious and workable alternative to the incentive that Carbon Taxes would provide. I can get behind agreeing to disagree, and you can have your conclusion that I was the one not interested in productive dialog about the issue when it was you who really wasn't offering any defensible ideas in detail nor positions supported by science.

One thing though, don't conflate the American People with people who make up 2%-3% of the households in this country. citation provided.

P.S. -- I forgot to mention this in my haste to post my response but where do you get off being so damned certain that human impact on this globe is absolutely certainly 100% so minimal as to be inconsequential? I have an inflated opinion of said impact? You have a naive delusion that it doesn't exist at all to a degree we should care about what we do.

I am not interested in your relativistic view on the human impact on this world as much as I enjoy Carlin and other comedians who will rightly point out that life will find a way. The point is that the damage doesn't need to be done and the hardships on both humanity and the rest of life on Earth need not be considered inevitable because we are so comfortable with a wasteful culture and lifestyle.

How is it supposed to be comforting to know that some lifeforms would survive a complete extinction of most life including humans on this rock? Man, it really sucks that we all died out but at least some life continued on! What a childish angle to base an argument from.

This is a pretty jaded view and not really applicable even most of the time as far as I've seen. I level alts quite regularly since I'm not in a raiding guild and enjoy switching from all the various playstyles the classes offer, and I pretty much level now through the dungeon finder at the expense of traveling around doing quests. It's not that I don't enjoy questing, it's just that it's easier to queue as a healer/tank and do dungeon after dungeon to level (as well as more lucrative gear-wise) than it is to run around. And while it is true that some people are only doing the runs to down only the necessary boss(es), that is not the case all the time, and it's not unheard of to have a group object so strongly to such a mentality that the person who is insisting upon it gets votekicked and someone who is playing the game to enjoy the game brought on board. I regularly do this and when someone asks "Skip optional bosses?" my response is "I'm here for a reason, and that reason is not to simply get to the end. I'll take my loot and/or emblems, thanks." There's also plenty of socialization, even when grouping with the random dungeon finder. Maybe nobody talks in your groups because nobody takes the initiative to actually begin a discussion about anything, which is very easy to do. I tend to talk a lot with people and I keep an eye out for those I've grouped with before and enjoy grouping with. Those who are not fun to play with go on my ignore list and I don't have to deal with them ever again.

Also, if you really want a sense of community, get involved on one of the RP or RP-PVP servers. It's not that the non-RP servers don't have a community, it just doesn't in my opinion really match up to the vibrancy of the RP servers I have played on and do play on. A lot of people seem intimidated by the idea of imposed RP but that never happens unless you join a guild that absolutely requires it if you want to stay in. I am a very casual player and I only do "heavy" RP when I feel like it, which is to say not very often (once a week at the very most). I have always been a bit of a jokester and fun-seeker though so even when I'm not trying to RP I blend in pretty well.

EQ1 is something I definitely don't miss, aside from having a Monk class. If ever there was a game that was absolutely nothing but a time-sink, it was EQ1. Most people do not find it enjoyable to keep camping a certain spot for a certain mob in the hopes of a certain drop for days on end. Most people do not find it enjoyable to create a very large group of players and hope that everyone knows exactly what the heck is going on. There's a reason why Blizzard cut down the raid sizes (Outside of Wintergrasp, I guess) to 25-man max. It was absolute chaos before and it was absolute BS to spend upwards of 6-10 hours in a single session doing a raid, and not even finishing!