It used to be that social security was in the family. Now it isn't.

Unless you are a person who is advocating (or in general complaining about or is concerned about) marrage and childbirth rates than that is part of the cost you have to accept if you want those numbers to go up. If you don't care about that then I am not really talking to you, status quo is fine, your perspective is intact.

I am talking to people who are like "we need more families" and also "i dont want to pay for anything" well, you cant get both, as they say "we live in a society". Just accept your falling 1st world birthrates and shut up about it already.

This is argument from emotion, the initial financial status of childcare workers is a non-sequitor so long as they are paid farily for doing the work. In America we also heavily lean on immigrant works for elder care positions as well, are we going to bring up their financial status? Nobody is asking these people to work for free so you are just trying to pull on some sort of heartstrings with that argument.

You want more kids born in America you will need subsidized daycare on top of lots of other wrap around child services and tax adjustments.

If you don't care about childbirth rates then don't change anything, rates will continue to fall naturally.

but nothing they want matters. They're right wing. The core of the right wing isn't libertarianism, that's a left wing thing. The core is obedience

The right wing grew out of the French monarchy (and monarchists in general). The word literally comes from monarchists sitting in the right wing of the French assembly.

The idea is there's a strict hierarchy. You've got some people at the top and some at the bottom. In exchange for obeying the guy above you the guy below you has to obey *you*. That's the deal, and that's what makes it so appealing to certain people. They get respect, even if they haven't earned it.

Ever see a video of some short pasty looking white dude in his 50s getting into a fight with a young, tall muscular black guy and wonder "what the hell is that idiot thinking? He's about to get clobbered!" and then have a good laugh when he does? That's the right wing in action. 30 years ago that black guy was lower on the totem pole and would've had to back down, show _respect_.

That's what the Neanderthal misanthropes are pining for. They want to be able to walk up to somebody half a head bigger then them and tell them what to do and they do it. They want to strut down the road and have those guys get out of the way.

Sure, they've got to do the same thing when somebody higher up than them throws their weight around. But they convince themselves it's for the best because of prosperity gospel or some such nonsense.

It's irrational nonsense but it feels pretty good, and all it costs is your self respect and your economic prosperity and your kid's futures.

even Denmark with their much higher standard of living have dropping birthrates. Buddy of mine wanted more kids. He's Asian and unabashedly admitted it was his retirement plan. Wife vetoed it because she's the one that has to squeeze them out, and she's had it with two. A lot stop at one.

Women with other options in life won't just keep cranking baby after baby. Most physically can't. 2 or 3 is usually the limit, especially with modern babies where the mother is carefully monitored and has her nutritional needs met. They come out huge and more often than not need a cesarean. That's some pretty big surgery to go through for yet another kid.

Oh, and we just criminalized abortion in about 1/2 the country, so expect rates to keep dropping. Sure, we could criminalize birth control and force women into marriage, but short of that you're gonna have a lot more women unwilling to take the risk. Especially on a 2nd or 3rd child. Word will get around what happens if your have complications...

Not that economics isn't a factor, but social issues are just as if not more a factor.

because we're not in a world war right now. Go read up on the 1st two industrial revolutions. College level history books, not high school level. There was _decades_ of social strife and mass unemployment until wars killed a large number of working age men and new tech made new jobs.

And yeah, we don't have widespread technological unemployment right now, but we *do* have massive technological underemployment.

Face it, we have a large scale social problem going on, with the worst of it about to hit and hit hard. Now is not the time to stick our heads in the sand ostrich style.

"Economic Hardship" has jack-shit to do with most of the declining birthrate. Women have more money than ever. If being poor hurt the birthrate, the Third World would have ceased to exist centuries ago. Women choosing careers over marriage has far more to do with it. Those that are getting married are doing so much later in life, when their fertility is already declining, and having few children is a consequence of that. Why do you think IVF and egg-freezing are in such demand? Because women that waited until 30 to get married discover, often to their surprise, that their best chances of pregnancy are in the rear window.

Women were told that they could have it all, the best of both worlds: that they could live like men in their twenties, living the single sexual life and moving up their corporate ladder, and after they had their fun, then they could marry the man of their dreams and have their family. All in a neat package. Except nature doesn't work that way. The Biological Clock is a thing, women have a set number of eggs, and by thirty, they start heading downwards in terms of fertility. Late pregnancies have a greater chance of complications and birth defects. The peak year for fertility and healthy birth is, IIRC, age 24 on average for females.

Life is a series of choices. And choices have consequences. Declining birthrates are inescapable considering the choices made.

Women being treated like property who should submit to a good fucking on demand is not an acceptable solution to your difficulty finding a partner for sex.

to buy is products?

As a family man, I can tell you that you won't find anything more amazing than being a Dad.

For you, personally. If someone follows your advice and finds that's not the case, then, well, that's a bit of a permanent situation.

And statistically, well...

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychol...

Anyway I have no kids. My brother does but seems desperate to live vicariously though them which doesn't lead to happiness because they aren't interested in the same things.

You won't need to tell yourself to get up and go, not ever again, not until they leave home.

Observation of other parents strongly indicates that is not in fact true for a lot of people.

"i ant reading all that. im happy for you tho. or sorry that happened"

hey if you want to keep Prop 13 around go for it, but then let's not claim you or any of those homeowners believe in a "housing market" becuase it's not at that point so all your Prop 13 supports better stop nimby-ing it up over there and blocking housing developments and other works projects becuase, well, fuck you.

Aww your homes value skyrocketed in the past 30 years and now your taxes are twwoooooo high?!?! Well sorry thats how fucking markets work. Take your big fat house payment and move on, it's what someone would have to do in every other state in this country in that situation. Take your million dollars and retire and let the housing go to people who can afford it.

Also any prop 13 people have lived in the state for decades and voted for these things.

I didn't need the history lesson. Doesn't matter how it came to be, some laws go in and the outcomes are unforseen and bad. Bad laws are bad, we should kill bad laws and have good laws. Prop 13 is bad law. Or if you want to keep it I better not hear a peep about blocking public housing or dense development anymore.

Important to note Jet Blue and Spirit are among the cheapest options in the world. You sort of get what you pay for. European flights are not much different from American on average, but at the low end with major destinations, American flights are notably cheaper. Essentially, Americans usually pay for lack of competition, but where there is competition, the carriers operate at lower prices.

Sure, I would prefer a European style of competition, but you need to compare apples to apples, and there isn't really a comparison between budget carriers in America and Europe.

You're half-joking, but in newly sovietized Russia they've been doing exactly that for the past year.

And you know that for at least 100 US congresspeople, Russia is a very important example to follow :)

Also, given that a very large family is basically an insurance for old age, someone will soon remember that it is a good idea to polpotizse the society and move everyone back to the village, with the usual mineshaft exclusions applicable. They'll have to have children.

Yep. Such a surprise.

Being a mindless fanboi does not actually make you insightful. You know that, right?

Thanks. As a CS type with an engineering PhD in the IT area and as a follower of AI research for about 35 years now, I like to think that I am somewhat informed about the capabilities, and more often lack thereof, of "AI". Any type of "insight" (and "informed" falls under that) is completely alien to any AI we have, except, with strong limits, automated deduction. And that gets bogged down in complexity already for very simple things and must be regarded as a failed approach for anything not very specialized.