Well, I must admit . . . I was wrong. . ."knob" is an EXCELLENT addition to my algorithm: . . . just because you suck on the knob of Hansen

So I guess you stopped using "knob" on LynnwoodRooster posts back in 2015. . . but you must really love that word, because you have used it numerous times on this thread alone. . . as an AC.

Seriously, why not just own up to what you did, apologize, and go on with life? Escalating things at this point will only make things worse for you, no?

LynnwoodRooster, why are you still posting as an AC?

Funny, I was hoping for another post from you because I am working on an algorithm that tries to tie AC posts to a Slashdot account. You see, when you post this deeply in a thread, the probability that you were originally engaged in the thread at some earlier point as an authenticated Slashdot user and then switched to AC (to avoid tainting your Slashdot account) increases quite a bit. However, though my algorithm looks at various types of attributes, it still needs enough AC posts to start finding matches of statistical significance. And this last post really hit the mark. . .

Interesting side note. . . did you realize that both you and LynnwoodRooster do not follow the Chicago Manual of Style for ellipsis? Funny, isn't? Doubt LynnwoodRooster ever posts about "knobs", but what is the harm of keeping a consistent ellipsis style? Well, none, when taken by itself. However, in combination with other data points. . .
: )

Kind of poetic justice to get outed when trying to get another user to give up their real name. . . don't you think?

Um. . . where?

"Identify yourself", says the anonymous coward. . . when you post such hypocrisy, you do realize a part of the good in you dies, right? No one else is hurt by this. . . just you (and anyone that potentially cares about you because this kind of activity is making you weaker, deep inside).

Who is this "we." The club for people too insecure to be able to post under an authenticated Slashdot account?

This is HILARIOUS! "Hey, let me post under AC and you post with your real name, 'cause I am so intellectually handicapped that I cannot engage in online debates on a level playing field. . .". Whoever let you where "big boy pants" and use the internet today had a lapse of judgement. . .

Look at LynnwoodRooster. Yes, when it comes to finance he is cognitively challenged. . . In fact, if he is investing for himself, he stands to lose a lot of money. . . A LOT . . . BUT, when he comes on Slashdot, he proudly logs in and posts his thoughts in the open for the world to see. The playing field is level and, hopefully, he learns a little about finance and a lot about what it means to have "open" discourse. Overall, Slashdot is a positive use of his time.

You, on the other hand, are too much of a wimp to even log in. . . and your posts reflect the worst of you because you think "no one else can pin this post on me." However, your posts still belong to YOU, and you are a little worse for it. You cannot hide from yourself. You might think there is no cost of this, but there is. . . to you. . . Enjoy your life. . . I think I will go for a little drive in my Model 3 while reflecting how happy I am not someone sad, like you : )

"billions lost" must seem like such a powerful argument to you. . . Finance is all about comparing apples to apples and context. Their "Accumulated Deficit" of $5.7B seems large, until you consider that they have a market cap of over $50B. At the end of 2002, Amazon had an "Accumulated Deficit" of $3B with a market cap of only $7.3B. If you are freaking about Tesla now, you must have been having a conniption fit back then for Amazon. . . . and Amazon's market cap is now approaching 1 trillion, so I really hope no one payed any attention to you. . .

Still wanting to look backwards for their production units, I see. What do you think that $5.7B of "Accumulated Deficit" was created for!? Tesla has been carefully executing a long term plan to mass produce EV cars and just when they start doing exactly that, you want to point to the loss they have accumulated and ignore their current production rates!? With little additional investment, they could produce enough Model 3s to take the top selling car ranking in the U.S.. I think most people would consider a $6B investment to be able to compete with automotive companies with market caps of ~50B to be CHEAP. . .

No one values companies based on the past production rates. . . they value based on future potential earnings. . . they are have past 5k/week and you think that earlier production rates are still somehow relevant to a discussion of valuation. . .your understanding of finance is so backwards that your financial arguments against Tesla do come off as desperately wishful. . .

Again, why do you REALLY hate Tesla. . . some Tesla driver smoke you at the green light or something? Please realize that Tesla acceleration is so subtle that it was probably unintentional. . . : )

Seriously, I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or are really crippled when it comes to finance. . .

You got your losses of "billions/year" by taking 2018Q2 (last available reporting period) and multiplying by 4. This is a simple run rate approach to forecasting. If you are comparing your derived loss number to units produced, you need to use a similar methodology:
(14570 + 1984 + 1200) * 12 months = 213,048 = "hundreds of thousands of cars"
(Please note, I was able to make my point with U.S. sales, alone. . . .)

Now take a step back and reflect if you really think Tesla is failing based on sound reasonable financial analysis, or you want Tesla to fail and you are just making up silly reasons that do not make financial sense? . . . 'cause that is would it appears you are doing here. . .

Please stop. Just come out and say the real reason why you hate Tesla and move on with life. . . Why add to the stupidity that gets posted to Slashdot everyday?

Um, who's saying that I don't also post at model3ownersclub? Oh. . . you are complaining I do not use the same username for every forum I post to. . . with an AC post. . . wtf

Your parents must be so proud. . . giving life to a person that lobs crude insults from the safety of an AC account. . . Your post indicates you are a hypocritical bigot who lacks basic abilities in logic. You may be able to hide who you are from us, but there is no way to hide that from yourself. Enjoy living with that. . . I will enjoy driving my Model 3 : )

Now how many refresh clicks did it take you to see this post. . . Just grow a pair and make an account, you spineless POS. . .

I feel like there is not enough shared finance understanding to have a coherent discussion here, but let me try. . .

Capitalism exists because good ideas for creating new wealth need funding before they become self-sustaining. Regulations are tangential to this point about the fundamentals of capitalism . . .

Comparing Tesla to the types of securities fraud that led to the Great Depression is a low bar to disprove. . . Most fraud from that period was simply making up fake companies for people to invest in. Let me see, is there any evidence proving Tesla is not a fake company:
- There are hundreds of SEC filings, the most important of which are audited routinely by independent auditors. . .
- There are independent production tracking models that rely on publicly available data like VIN numbers. . .
- There are the numerous Teslas you actually see when driving around any noteworthy city in America. . .
- There is the Tesla Model 3 that I got back in July. . .
Yes, I am pretty confident that anyone arguing that Tesla is a hoax at this point has no reasonable basis for their argument. . . and would better spend their time on more main stream wacko conspiracy theories. . . (like the one where Obama was not born in the U.S. . . . you might even one day end up becoming president. . . sigh).

Yeah, well thanks for reminding us all of the importance of including "units of measure" when posting. . .

However, you are still inaccurate with your statement because if you are comparing "annualized" losses, then you should also post the "annualized" sales of "hundreds of thousands of cars."

I kind of miss when the short sellers still had hope and were posting here. There was still a lot of bs, but the debates tended to be a little more intellectually engaging. . . Don't know what your beef is with Tesla, but it certainly is not based on a rational understanding of finance . . .

Oh, it's YOU. . . : )

Learn to grow a pair. . .

Yes, and $4B x 4 is $12B/year. So they are losing billion to sell BILLIONS (not "thousands").

Yes, sacrificing profitability to increase market share might sound crazy, but it is business as usual in . . . business. For Tesla, it is a small price to pay to start dominating an entire segment of the car market. . .>, and its marketcap would tend to agree. . .

The business life cycle has existed as long as capitalism has existed. . . Please read and correct your own post based on newly attained knowledge. Thank you.

Yes, so you are agreeing with me that Tesla is in the "growth" stage of its business life cycle?

I think "naive" people tend to write confusing posts where they seem to be both insult you and support your point at the same time. . . why not learn some basic finance before complaining about other people being naive?

I bought a Tesla because its a kickass car, and I love to effortlessly smoke old-timers like yourself when the light turns green. Saving the planet is a side benefit. . . and the fact that you think electric vehicles are destroying the planet shows that finance is not the only area of expertise that you are severely lacking in. . .

So says the poster lacking even a remedial grasp of finance. . . Do tell. . . how does taking Tesla private "wipe out" investors?

The first "stop" occurs when you get your facts right. . . 2018Q2 Rev: $4B, Net Loss; $0.7B, YTD Rev growth:43%. Go find me a mature company that is always profitable that increased their revenues by 43% in the last year. . .

The second "stop" occurs after Tesla goes private, and all the crazy short sellers go after some new victim (if they have not already killed themselves off after their bad bet against Tesla). At that point, you will have less public information to (mis)-inform yourself with, so your only reminder of how wrong you were at this point of your life will be steady and unrelenting electrification of the transportation system (with many Tesla logos passing by in your peripherals every where you go. . .).

The 3rd "stop" occurs after the electrification of the transportation market and the transition of the electrical grid to renewable energy sources backed with battery based storage. At this point, Tesla growth will have peaked, and it will now have to become another slow growing giant that no one ever posts about in forums like Slashdot. . .

You do realize that the entire basis for Wall Street (and capitalism) is that new, high growth wealth creation ideas initially require more funding than they can initially generate from their own operations, right? Ever heard the phrase, "it takes money to make money?" The vast majority of new forms of wealth creation require some form of initial "investment." Larger and longer periods of investment are correlated with higher expectations of growth and wealth creation.

But, specifically, which party is gaining wealth at the expense of which party in Tesla's case? Keep in mind, if Tesla goes private at $420 a share, everyone who has ever bought long and held to that point will realize a significant return. Where did that wealth come from? It was created turning boring, commodity materials into the best car I have ever owned.