> Being homeless doesn't give you a right to shit anywhere you want.

I see you've never set foot in SF. There are no public bathrooms [1]. They closed them all because people do drugs in them. I've peed in a bush because the closest open public bathroom was, literally, *12 fucking miles away*. Gas stations, and even Denny's, don't have public restrooms for *customers*. The only way you're peeing in SF is if you go back to your hotel, wait half hour in line, and pay the cover charge, to get into a local pub, or go to an upscale restaurant.

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Not greed. Population increase of 300% since 1990 made prices go up 300%> Add cheap free money by The Fed which caused inflation and risky loans and prices will skyrocket.

Look at the auto market as an example. Beaters went up 400% for broken salvage grade cars with 200k miles now. Too little car and too many people wanting car made prices ecplode

Increase supply and demand will fall. More apartments is the answer NOT the problem.

For the bos whinnying about greed remember 100 million illegal immigrants and a boom of millennials as big as the boomers entered the market. 1990 US population= 200 million. 2021 = 700 million! Population has increased 300% therefore mortgage/rent prices went up 300%. Increase th supply 300% and wait for boomers to die = prices to return. Simple 101

His point was thanks to inflation and free money from the Fed means companies could over hire for non productive employees that normally wouldn't happen. Iowa as a result lacked employees.

Maybe not from Meta specifically. Capitalism ensures the optimal amount of productive employees.

Please $70 more a month for internet and a $300 desk is nothing compared to requiring a $40,000 vehicle as a beater won't last driving an hour each way every day.

I know I lost a house I was going to buy as my 11 year old Kia worked until I had to return back to the office and I lost thousands in repairs forcing a sell so I have as 750 a month car payment now. I am furious my team forced us to come back in and screwed me. They all own homes and now I have to rent as I no longer qualify so they can look cool to management by sitting at that seat at 7am

Cars suck wealth more than anything besides housing. I had a Kia for 11 years which I credit due to working at home ...the past 3 months changed this.

The pressure to come into the office to look good is up as employees are all in competition to sit at their desk earlier and staying later to get those bonuses. Wah are starting to get laid off and fear is rising. Management is beaming because it means more productivity in their minds since we watch TV and nap all day at home.

So now I blew over $4500 into my car only worth $4000 to now have engine problems. Thanks to being at the office I had to buy a new car and now have a $700 car payment over 5 years. Grrrr.

Yes working at home saves for dumb expenses like cars which can keep even a six fig salary worker broke and an internal renter not home owner (average car payments are $1000 over 72 months last I looked).

Yeah in 2019 lol.

It's 2023 and good GPUs all cost over $1000 now! Gamer grade motherboards are $300 and a good CPU is $500+ for the top grade. Power supplies cost near $200 now. OS and monitor not included nor the Sony exclusive specials.

It is 2002 not 2023 all over again where the real value and performance is the console. Not PC.

You can thank Ngreedia and Asus, gigabyte, and other for getting greedy and ruining the market

Political as well in office politics. Those who come in can chat with leadership and take on more projects behind the other team's backs and can look more important and dedicated.

Gray hairs promote them. Stupid but I have seen it at my last employer which is why I left.

There is still a stigma people will goof all day if they have distractions and people can't keep an eye on them

I am an extrovert and HATE coming in. I work Hybrid and have to go to bed early and wake up at 5:30 and get clothes ready for tomorrow. I prefer to sleep in and stay up midnight and have less stress on my pc in my office area.

I think this remote would cycle back into the office. It was inevitable once economic conditions favor the employer again. Now a severe recession is starting where the employer dictates how we work and our pay rate and if you do not like it you can get your car repad and be homeless as 14 other equally qualified candidates desperate and scared will happily take it!

Longer term this opened the pandora box as newer workers get promoted to more senior level roles and start companies where Remote will slowly gain but for the short term people go into the office to look important. It works.

Those who come in get promoted to the gray hairs. Those who are remote and are never seen no one knows what they do outside of their immediate manager so our eliminated. Stupid but human psychology plays that role. When people are scared they work longer and come in more

My employer is training a guy who makes just 75K a year to do infosec work instead of paying 150K plus bonus to cut down on costs since sales are slowing down. He is hybrid though ... for now. He is beginning to show up to work every day to look important.

We are both older and remember 2004 and 2009. The market dictates who has the ball in the playground. True our skills have grown ... ok mine have tremendously since, but I am under no illusion.

If there is a 15% unemployment and a financial crises where we won't have a bailout this time around by next summer you can bet your butt you won't have any power and neither will I. You either accept 1/2 pay and be in the office or get yoru car repod and have your wife leave as the other option. Oddly that was me in 2011 the last time around and I learned a lesson which was harsh.

At the end of the day the pendulum is swinging back to the employer after the employees had a free run for the past 2 years. Everything in life is a power struggle and tug of war unfortunately.

It was coming to an end ... for most workers except a privledged few.

At the end of the day any employment contract is like a game of tug of war on who has more power. When you have rare valuable skills and there are not enough workers the works pull > employers. The workers dictate the salary and working conditions.

When the pendukumn swings in the other direction like in a recession the employer has a greater pull in the tug of war game and the out of work worker has less than workers employers.

The employer then dictates the pay and working conditions. It was bound to happen as 2021 was an abnormality and an inverse 2009.

If this upcoming recession is another 2009 and bad with bank runs you can bet your back you will see Indian H1B1 visa holders competition and 60k a year jobs with no overtime or benefits that used to pay 200k + bonus as actual workers be the norm. What I typed sounds extreme but I have seen it 2009 - 2012 when we all worked 80 hours a week for 1/3 the pay happy to be employed.

Work at home then will be a distant memory

More than likely they are returning back to the office to make the gray hairs happy ... the ones not paying taxes are on unemployment

What boat launch have you been to that includes power!?

What is funny is if you switch out C-Levels with employees in your arguement you make the exact opposite case on why workers need to come in.

A lack of trust seems to be the culprit. I tried work at home and I was good for awhile and liked it but I found myself goofing off after several days in a row. I do hybrid and come in more often as my ADHD is bad sometimes and I find myself listening to youtube instead of working.

The coworker working 2 jobs is angering me as he is taking some of my role. He was just hired and more experienced. You can argue he is as efficient as me so why not since he is awesome? But that is why he is a senior making probably 50K more a year than me.

Simple. Most people are not responsible enough to sit at their desks 8 hours a day.

I have one guy who is idle on teams and rumor it he is working 2 jobs. To end this management wants us all back in the office to keep on eye on us so we have to work when eyes are on us.

Another guy I can tell us driving during meetings. You can tell.

I hate to break it to you but studies show hours worked go up and productivity per hour goes down when work at home is available.