I'm perfectly okay with my own culture, thank you. I'm happy with my world. I don't need some person's belief system or everyday methodologies because I don't have any desire to know anything about them and I don't care about understanding someone else simply because I don't have to. And just because I want nothing to do with their values, beliefs, etc. doesn't mean I'm Satan or hoping they die. I just want to be left the hell alone by idiots that seem to believe that you need to have a boner for every damn person's way of life anymore. I am perfectly fine living in the reality I've created for myself and if someone has a problem with that, then they need to get over their narcissistic belligerence and realize that they can't push themselves or other peoples' existences onto others the way they think they can.

My hat is tipped, my friend.

I know nothing about your education just as you know nothing about mine. Our classes, our instructors, our schools' resources... Taking it a step further, one could even argue about access to such things (which is another discussion).

But at some point, I suppose all this--the instruction, the books that were read, the quizzes and tests, research papers, finals--boils down to being interpreted as "experience." Where's the line between experience and education then? Is education only "knowing and theory" whereas experience equates to "application and practice?" Do you have to create only 1 fully-functional, database-transacting application that can be served across the internet to NOT be considered a newbie or does one need to somehow find a way to measure functional proportions (in which case, my original argument still stands)? Probably not, right? I mean, someone must surely create 2, 10, 50 applications... RIGHT? Or does this exact number only matter to whatever circles we're having this circle jerk with?

How many people does one have to work with before being seen as a non-newbie (because surely social interactions play a part, right?) How many languages must one know (and to come up with this number, you have to know what defines a language)? How many uses of this language (or languages) does one need to exhibit before being labeled as non-newb? Do they need to know how to write and compile a "what-the-fuck-ever" routine or sub-program before being considered "seasoned" or do they have to create their own entire operating system? Again, circles...But how many degrees does someone need to have or, since "...a programming course..." basically equates to anything, should it be more about WHERE the education comes from?

I guess you get the point.

Can you have experience without knowledge? And if this IS the case--which it is NOT--how the fucking hell can ANYONE belittle someone else for not knowing how to do something someone else DOES know how to do?

It's synonymous with harassing children trying to learn how to read and it's bullshit.

But all this aside, all I was originally blabbing about was how immature and disrespectful our ilk are to each other. We should be our best allies and most notable advocates. We should be the people holding the invisible keys to the city... And yet, the internet is an indicator of the inverse because we're always name calling, forming gangs and cliques, raising people with God complexes, undercutting each other, etc. It's a fucking joke. Yeah, it's wonderful that someone knows how to program a whatever with a whatever like everyone cares, but seriously, do you (me, or anyone else for that matter) really tend to believe that there's not going to be someone tomorrow who does the same thing a thousand times over? And if so, do you think they'll not eventually have the same discussion? If so, then we're not doing something write in all this, which is incredibly ironic for programmers--the supposed masters of efficiency.

Any tutorials or articles, etc. that start out referring to someone as "newbie", "newb", etc. should be automatically labeled as worthless. Every team of programmers--it doesn't matter if it's a team of 2, 10, 50...--always has someone that can be called a "weak link" simply because you're always going to have someone who just isn't as fast or efficient as everyone else. And if programming is more of an art form (which I personally believe it is due to having millions of ways to skin cats), then it's apt to claim that nobody can be as good as everybody. Everything depends on what exactly is being done, what technologies are being used, frameworks, functions, who's involved, what business logic is required, what data is being worked with, etc., etc., etc. I've seen people who sucked at back-end stuff rock it out with front-end and others, vice-versa. I've seen people excel with certain technologies turn around and completely blow with others but one reason some of these supposed GODS suddenly sucked has nothing to do with their understanding or capabilities but instead almost always had to do with how their resources were being used... There is no such thing as a newbie. It's an epiphany brought about by someone's nerby boner culture. Constantly using the phrase "newbie" and all that other juvenile bullshit is old news and something someone does when they're bored and looking to put people down just to make themselves feel better about their world. Stop referring to people like this because some of the most seasoned people could be painted with that brush depending on how you view things...

Thank GOD they fixed the misspelling... I was up all night last night worrying about it.

They mostly come out at night... Mostly.

Clearly you've never encountered a submacopter.

Shops anymore tend to scale by throwing RAM and bandwidth at everything... It drives developers crazy because management cares little about what kind of mess they force their developers to ignore due to due-dates. And of course, the only casualties are the developers who were never given a fair shake to start with. Wanna know how something scales? Continual tweaking, and yes, more RAM and bandwidth. It's the only way to scale things anymore.

It makes me happy to see us working together with the Russians for a change.

You're on to something: instead, let's blame the current crop of those who keep trying to collaboratively standardize the internet when previous attempts clearly did a better job as evidenced by the amazing websites the 90s produced... The W3C's basic goal / mission is to structure the unstructured (the internet) and create a foundation that essentially accommodates for everything under the sun (i.e. - multiple platforms, multiple resolutions, multiple forms of accessibility for those with impediments, et al.) With this in mind and the many parties associated with this group who all require coordination with the ultimate mission while providing them with the means to fulfill their own aims, I'm surprised they approximated ONLY 18 years! And thank God the consortium is made up of entire middle-managers. We'd all be in frightful straights if they only had their upper torsos to work with! ;.) (I know what you meant.)

I wish that guy would take a hike... As for his comment, well, let's see him come up with a markup language standard that appeases every vendor while supporting every aspect of media delivery for users. That's not an easy task. Say what you want about the consortium, but what they did in the amount of time they did it in is rather impressive... These things are done in baby steps--but their efforts delivered more than this. Just because HTML5 might have wrinkles to iron out doesn't mean that it's a failed endeavor. Rather, it means that the browsers, companies behind said browsers, and the users have created a massive cluster of epic proportions. The consortium is just trying to make everything more accessible while accommodating for everyone. Again, not an easy task at all.

YOU ARE A MORON!

Is that all you have? I mean, is that your thing? Nothing but a bunch of baseless crap responses meant to stoke your ego and act as a smokescreen to hide the fact that you can't overcome your pride and admit to knowing nothing about a system you accuse of being a mess? Instead of being another petulant little visitor of this website who goes around and leaves a mess of their own, why not shut the hell up and ask mature questions about the issues you struggled with prior when you used Drupal (or any other system even)? Maybe that way, you can get your head out of your ass long enough to learn something that can help you have better replies on here?

Yet another comment / response that it full of empirical data.

HACK THE PLANET!