Comparing rate of gun ownership with numbers of violent crimes is naive. A violent crime consisting of someone being shot is clearly worse than someone getting punched or stabbed.
I disagree. It's not clear at all. For example, murder is murder, but according to your hypothesis murder rates would go up with rates of gun ownership, since "being shot is clearly worse" and you don't get much worse than death. But that correlation does not happen. By singling out "gun violence" you logically misstate the problem due to your own assumption that anything involving guns is worse somehow.
And all the statistical evidence is that more people do get shot when gun ownership is up.
Allow me to demonstrate in a hypothetical example the flaw in this measure. An axe murderer breaks into an elementary school. Lax gun laws mean the teacher is packing. He shoots the axe murderer. By your measure that means no statistic is entered into our equation. Now imagine strict gun laws prevent him from having a gun and he kills the teacher and a dozen children. By your measure no statistic is entered into our equation. Despite this gun control laws make a difference of over a dozen murders. Do you see the flaw in your approach? You're intentionally ignoring the data because you've focused on only part of part of the problem, ignoring even direct consequences of the laws you promote.
And all the statistical evidence is that more people do get shot when gun ownership is up.
Yes, that's true. More successful suicides in general as well. But in many instances you also have somewhat lower overall violent crime and fewer murders.
Unfortunately most of the stuff you'll find if you google is pro-gun blogs interpreting the limited data to their own advantage.
Yes, and you hear just as misguided limited interpretations of the data from "the other side" yourself included. You were just arguing that we should be limiting the data to only crimes with guns, instead of considering the whole problem and real solutions. Just the other day I heard reporters mention that the National Science Foundation study in the US found no correlation between any gun control laws and the level of murders or violent crimes imposed. The reporter interpreted this to mean that we should pass gun control laws in addition to other laws and thus they will be effective. What was that opinion based on? It was just a justification for ignoring the scientific evidence he just presented.
What is really needed is rigorous scientific study, including measuring raw data, not just adapting what scant resources are already out there.
There has been significant study and I'm certainly in favor of more, but don't mistake data you don't like or which does not support your preconceived opinions with lack of data. We have data, but you have not used it to form your opinions, but have dismissed it because it does not re-inforce those opinions.
Unfortunately as such science tends to back the gun control lobby, the pro-gun lobby cynically pushed through legislation banning the government from financing such proper research.
I've heard this myth repeated a great deal lately and you'd think people would be more informed when discussing this particular article. Legislation was passed to stop the CDC from collecting information about this because people were concerned when the CDC started building a database of personally identifiable information on gun owners, you know kind of like the one this article is about and which the government released to the public before public outrage made them change the policy. Other government agencies and government grants have been part of gun control studies for decades (like the NSF study I just mentioned).