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Comment Doesn't make sense. (Score 2) 145

First, why not just install the app and put a URL link on the desktop pointing to http://localhost:7777/? Second, are you really sure it makes sense to have a self hosted web app? I, for one, absolutely despise when companies ship some tool that installs a web server on my machine and makes me use it through a web browser. IIRC, HP did this kind of garbage for managing their printers. Write a god damn native app if it is just going to install on my local machine!

I realize that you probably want to save some money and not write two pieces of software that do the same thing, but how hard can it possibly be to make a UI in .NET that is at least as good as your web interface? Share code if you have to. If you've written the software correctly, you should be able to share the model level functionality between the two apps. Or install the web app on the local machine but create an API that the native app can hit.

It really sounds like you are approaching this problem from the completely wrong angle.

Comment Re:Not gonna happen (Score 1) 340

Look into radmind (http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/radmind/) for managing OS X clients. asr is still great for multicasting a single image to a lab full of similar machines though. It is really cool because the asr server will just keep cycling through an image and clients can join in the stream at any point until they have the complete image.

Comment Re:Not gonna happen (Score 1) 340

Releasing often is a good thing, IMO. And it is where Microsoft fucked up between XP and Vista. Just because a new version comes out doesn't mean you have to jump on it, but is nice to see that the state of the art is moving forwards. Between XP and Vista, Windows totally stagnated and Vista wasn't even that good when it finally did come out. Same thing happened to Internet Explorer. Such stagnation is bad for the industry as a whole.

Comment Re:Not gonna happen (Score 1) 340

but at the moment they make their money on selling trendy computers and electronics to trendy people at trendy prices.

Oh just shut up. I'm so sick and tired of this line. My MacBook Pro was price competitive with similarly spec'd Dell laptops when I bought it. Just because they don't cater to the low/budget end of the market doesn't make them "trendy." At worst, Apple simply lacks selection in their product line. Do Macs always have the best raw price/performance ratio, maybe not, but it isn't like there's an order of magnitude difference of in price.

Enterprise IT is different. Computers stay in use until they're depreciated or until they're nonviable. IT departments aren't interested in upgrading, and do it in waves, usually skipping entire generations of hardware and OSes because they don't fit the support model.

And there's something about Apple that doesn't allow companies to do this? I would argue that Apple makes it easier to skip generations of hardware and OSes because they release so often. Think about it. OS X is at its eighth major release cycle since Windows XP came out in 2002 whereas Microsoft has made 3 major releases for the desktop (XP, Vista, and 7). You can try to count SP1-3 if you like, they weren't really optional.

The nice thing about Apple hardware in a corporate environment is that you don't have to worry too much about drivers and maintaining a zillion different hardware configurations, many of which are not fully supported without thirst party driver support. Hell, you could even take a copy of OS X Leopard (10.5) htat was installed on an x86 based machine and copy it directly to a PPC based machine and it would just run. No modifications necessary. Microsoft couldn't even get the 32bit -> 64bit transition figured out for the longest time. Apple made all that completely seamless. In many ways there just no reason not to upgrade more often with OS X. The changes are usually incremental.

NOt that Macs are necessarily the best choice for corporate environment now, but it isnt' because of the things you mentioned.

Apple continually pushes everyone to go get the latest and greatest every time a new iteration of a product comes out.

No, they don't. They might not have support going as far back as Microsoft, but you won't suffer for skipping a generation or two. Though it is kind of funny how many people wouldn't think twice of using a Windows version released in 2002, but you'd be crazy to even consider running OS X 10.0.

Got that iPad six months ago? Come get the iPad 2! Got that Mac Book? Come get the Mac Book Pro! 10.5? That's ANCIENT! Come buy 10.7!

Right, because Dell and Microsoft don't want you to upgrade to the latest versions....

Apple's business plan is highly successful, but only in the market they've built for themselves.

What!? You mean Apple doesn't try to be everything to everyone? You mean to say they have a very clear vision and focus? I'm shocked!

Here's an thought. If OSX, iPad, and Macs are not for you, why don't you just shut up?

Comment Re:Can you develop on it? (Score 1) 127

Why would you choose a chromebook over a normal netbook? That is a point. I wouldn't, unless Ik wanted the hardware. You wouldn't. But, what about corporate? I see the whole ChromeOS thing aimed mainly at corporations, because you don't have to worry about most infections, you don't really need to manually monitor each machine(IIRC, there's a great remote administration infrastructure).

I want you to stop for a second and ask yourself why Windows has been so successful in business. Here's a hint: It isn't because WIndows can run a web browser. If infections were such a worry and native apps were not so important, Linux would have taken over corporate environments a long time ago.

It seems like it would be a boon for high-turnover positons: Each can be issued a chromebook, get their own profile, and not be tied to any one device. Also, losing the physical hardware shouldn't be a problem: Since everything's server side, you just write off the lost hardware, take out another from your stores, and keep working. I think this is the main benefit for these machines.

First of all, Chromebooks are not designed for heavy use. They're small, light and meant to be highly portable, not to be workhorses. You would not be assigning such a machine to your average office worker. You MIGHT give one as a take-home computer, but not to an employee in a high turnover position.

As far as "apps" go, I can see quite a few industries where they're basically just server interfaces anyway, so why go with a single-platform, potentially unsupported language like VB or IE6-html?

Right, like .NET is just going to suddenly be unsupported.... Really, dude? You're seriously asking why businesses use .NET and related technologies?

It seems like those are the people Google might just get on board.

No, those are the people that are least likely to get on board. If LInux and OS X can't break big into business envrionemnts (on the desktop), Chrome OS has absolutely no chance.

Especially since they could simply write it in generic-html and have it work with both Chrome and FF, etc. Once it works there, it works cross-platform. The IT folks can use the apps on their Linux machines, the graphics department on their Macs, others on Windows, and even use it on the Kiosk Chromebooks.

Ok, here it is: Web apps SUCK. Developing robust web apps SUCKS. HTML is a shitty tool for building business applications that can compete with desktop equivalents. I should know, I'm a web developer. What does everyone look to as the best desktop-like web app out there? Google Apps. But look at it objectively. Aside from the ability to share documents in realtime, Google Docs is the feature and UI equivilent of MS Office from 1992. We're talking Windows 3.x. That's right, it is 20 years behind native apps and HTML5 will only be an incremental improvement.

It seems to me that while you may like your Mac, what happens when Corporate makes you use a Windows PC for a week? If the important bits are simply HTML and tied into Google Apps, you could literally just log in and have all your preferences right there. ....At least, that's the /theory/.

Good lord! I'd honestly rather use Windows than have to use Google Apps as my primary office tool. Or I can run MS Office on my Mac. Or run some critical business program inside Parallels. Or you can setup a Windows Remote Desktop server and I can run all business apps through that. There are options for me if I want to use a Mac in a business environment. Fortunately for me, I've been able to avoid running Windows on my desktop at home and work for almost 20 years. I've always been able to run LInux or OS X as my desktop.

I don't know what problem you think you're solving by pushing shitty web apps on people when native apps work perfectly fine. Bottom line is that I just don't WANT everything to become web based. The web is good for some things, but absolutely terrible for others.

Comment Re:surprisingly accurate (Score 1) 278

If you watch carefully, you notice that while they got many details wrong, the basics are mostly correct. While our buildings look nothing like in the background image of the BBC part, for example, they do in fact incorporate many technological advances.

I think you're working pretty hard to make sense of their predictions. They specifically said "sophisticate new forms of buildings." They didn't say "buildings with better technology." The latter is just a given. Of course newer materials, heating/cooling techniques will be used in the future. But they're largely the same structures with the same functions. Also, there hasn't been a significant move to the cities. They were way off on that one. If anything, people are trying to get out of cities to own land. At least in the US. NOt sure how it applies to the Britain.

The error is only in how visible those are.

No, the error was in thinking that buildings would radically change. They haven't. No new "forms" of buildings. Honestly, I don't even really know what that's supposed to mean.

Also, no choosing our children. While some genetic screening is certainly possible, most people will not opt to do it. So they were off on that one also.

And for computers they predicted... more software? Um, ok.

They did get the importance of satellites right.

They got TV's right, I guess. Though it wasn't too amazing of a prediction. I think we can safely say that technology will get "smaller" without taking much risk.

They really didnt' get much right.

Comment Re:Can you develop on it? (Score 1) 127

Well, the way I see it, they are allowing apps - They simply need to run inside the sandbox and be written with a specific language(in this case, html/js). Is this much different than Android was, until they allowed native code?

You mean until they allowed apps? Apple did the same thing. They thought the Safari on the phone would be all people would need, especially with the HTML extensions available to enhance websites for the phone. Turns out people really love apps. Now, why would you create a platform that goes out of its way to prevent people from installing the native apps they love? It is somewhat odd the Google didn't learn this lesson from Android.

Sure, the language is different, and there is more in the way of low-level functions, but I see them as fairly close.

Not even close, dude. Browser based programs are EXTREMELY limited in what they can do. They have almost no access to the system outside of the browser sandbox. And that makes local storage nearly useless. Read the reviews. You can download stuff, but the OS is only aware of a very small subset of mime types. It is just a terrible user experience all around. Basically a Chromebook is a crippled netbook.

Admittedly, a lot of functionality *won't* run completely as a "web app"... But I think they're trying to fix it by adding local storage and other important bits. And if you look at Mozilla as an example - where you have XULrunner being the backend browser bit, and then Firefox, Thunderbird and the like simply being huge scripts on top of it... It could work.

At that point you might just as well allow native apps. You do know that native apps can hit remote APIs, don't you? Facebook, Google, Twitter... they all have public APIs that you can hit with any sort of program you want. That capability is not unique to browser based programs. You coudl write slick native apps that store data in the "cloud." How do you think Dropbox works? How do you think the camera app on your phone syncs photos to your facebook account? That kind of integration and seamlessness is what people want.

Obviously, though, in order to do the same type thing in ChromeOS, they have to add more low-level interface functionality... but it's doable.

Sure it is technically doable, but they'd have to completely change their current approach, which is all web, all the time. Why wouldn't you just get a netbook which already has plenty of native apps available as well as your choice of operating system?

The one interesting thing about this approach, though, is it should allow for moving your chrome webapp profile around between devices - both ChromeOS netbooks and conventional machines running Chrome(which could be just about anything from ARM-based tablets and phones, to x86 Windows, OSX, Linux) - quickly and effectively, something that's impossible with traditional native apps.

Who cares? I'm perfectly happy with my traditional native apps on OS X and I know WIndows users aren't exactly complaining about software choices. I certainly don't want my apps to force me to use Chrome. Bottom line is that for any device that has a critical mass of market share, there WILL be plenty of native apps. The portability argument is moot. I don't need your Chrome-bound apps.

I could see someone using a Windows PC with Autocad, having their general corporate apps running in Chrome, then use one of a "pool" of ChromeOS netbooks on the go, then accessing the same content from their Linux PC at home... or smartphone if needed.

So why a Chromebook and not a netbook running Chrome + any other misc. native apps? That's the basic question yet to be answered here. If you can already run Chrome on netbook class hardware and not be limited to only a browser, what advantage does ChromeOS have?

Comment Re:"Now that it's finally here"...? (Score 1) 127

You know, I still have a desktop that has a half dozen programs running that are not in a web browser. I wouldn't dream of going without it. Even so, what device gets the most use? My CR-48. Most of the time all I want to do is look up some quick youtube clip, send an email, waste some time on Google Reader, or check Facebook/G+/whatever. The cr-48 is lighter, has (some) free wifi (and tethers for the rest), and has great battery life.

Sure, but that's what a netbook is for. You can run Chrome AND apps on a netbook. You've basically paid $500 for a crippled netbook. And that's just stupid. I hope you didn't pay for that Chromebook out of your own pocket.

So for you, yeah, maybe a chromebook isn't going to cut it. But I'd definitely tell my mom to get a chromebook

You'd be doing her an injustice. But whatever, if yo uwant to handle questions like "Why can't I run this Java game?" "Why can't I install an IM client?" That's up to you. If she's got a Mac, she likely has everything she needs.

Hell, she has a mac now and never uses any of the trackpad gestures

Right, because trackbpad gestures are what make a Mac a Mac /rolleyes

Different tools for different tasks.

But what if you could get one tool that does multiple tasks just as well as as the single purpose tool?

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