Cupantae covered my thoughts pretty well on that, but:

Even if the feature set of Wayland were exactly the same as X, in what way could it possibly hurt you for there to be two projects that do the same thing. Maybe Wayland is better is some way. Why are you worked up over it? I truly cannot think of a good reason and I really am trying to see your side in this. I posted my original question because I actually wanted to understand your point of view. The only things I can think of at this point is that you're either in it for the argument or you really just can't stand to see anything compete with your favorite project.

Whatever your issue is, you should either provide a reasoned argument or lighten up. If not, you're really living up the stereotype. How sad for all of us.

I shouldn't respond to a troll AC, but I want to say two things:

1. People should never settle. If they're not finding the right one, that's unfortunate, but they'll never be truly happy if they settle.
2. I've spent quite a bit of time studying people and personality types. There's a ton of variation in personalities that a lot of people don't even know exist. I'd like to think it's just because they don't know to look for it, but I suspect it's more that they can't imagine that everyone isn't like them or possibly even think that there's something wrong with people that are different. More introverted and/or inwardly focused people sometimes need time to themselves. It literally drains energy having to deal with people. Dealing with friends and family drains less energy than dealing with strangers, but it can still be a drain. It doesn't mean we love our families any less.

It took me longer than I expected to find my fiancee, but it eventually happened and we're both very happy. We go hiking and backpacking together on a regular basis. We've coached and still play soccer together. We have intelligent discussions that I've rarely been able to have with other people. That said, I still occasionally disappear into my office to play a game, read, or fiddle with my gadgets. I need that time to recharge, as does my fiancee.

I truly don't understand why people are getting worked up over this.

Of course I wouldn't want them to skip mouse support; you're being deliberately obtuse. Did you know that what you need isn't necessarily what other people need? A plain-old desktop user doesn't need all the features of X. If Wayland can be better in any significant way while maintaining the features that I need, why shouldn't I be happy about it? (Side note: I don't think this is what you're saying, but just in case - supporting 30 year old features just for the sake of feature parity would be assinine and a complete waste of effort. If they're features that really are used, then OK.)

This is the beauty of open source. You can continue to use X all you want while those of us who don't need the features can move on to something else. If X is truly better for a given use case, then people will use it. Or not. There is no harm in having both. Drop the torch and pitchfork and let people vote with their feet. If us lesser beings are all using Wayland or whatever, you can focus development on X on the 30 year old features that make you so special.

You might make an argument that development time should be focused on X, but that's always been a flawed view. The people that go start a new project do so because they don't want to continue with the old project. Again, the power of choice and beauty of open source.

I know you're not being entirely serious, but for some of us, half the point of a hobby like golf is to break away from the wife and responsibilities.

I really haven't followed any of the X11 vs Wayland crap, but are you against a new system in principle? Or is it just about Wayland?

In my case, I've rarely used anything but the most basic functionality of X, but I can see some nice benefits to a new system built specifically for desktop Linux that does exactly what I need and nothing more.

Honestly, I get excited about a little competition in the open source world. Far too many projects start and get to the point where they do what the developers wants, then stagnate. That's great and all (yes I know that the projects aren't necessarily for everyone else), but when it's something that hangs out in most or all Linux distros for years after while hardly changing with the times, maybe it's time for something different.

Where is that?

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM)

Also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscriber_Identity_Module#Usage_in_mobile_phone_standards)

In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile both use GSM for their networks, so any phone that uses them (including many prepay companies) will have a SIM card.

Straight Talk and the other prepay phone companies use the networks of the major carriers. They don't have networks of their own. If you've had issues with coverage, it was either a bad phone or you chose a network that already had bad coverage. It had nothing to do with Straight Talk.

You can get unlimited talk, text, and data through Straight Talk or similar for less than $50 a month. Bring your AT&T phone and just buy a new SIM card, if you like (usually around $15 or less). Or if you're not overly concerned with having the fanciest phones (which these days doesn't make nearly as much difference as it did 2-3 years ago), you can get a phone on Verizon's network and possibly have better coverage.

Yes, I think you're nuts.

I'm undoing some moderation, but since nobody else has said much about this...

The early adopters are exactly the people that should be paying more in this case. They can afford it much better than anyone else involved. Just like with computers and mobile tech, by definition, the early adopters always jump in before everyone else. They have the disposable income to do it. The tech industry didn't fall into that pattern by accident.

The difference between a $15000 new car and a $30000+ new car is completely meaningless for nearly everybody from the middle class on down. The people that buy a $10000 used car every 5-10 years can't afford either one of those and it gets worse as you go down. There are plenty of low wage folks who scrape by with a $500 clunker that they can barely keep running. None of them can afford a new car at any real price. Obviously, some people buy them anyway, but that's a conversation for another day.

I actually mostly agree with you, but I had to comment on this:

It's hard to put a number on something like these petitions, but there is a clear tipping point where it becomes nearly impossible to get people to agree on anything. I would argue that ANY petition that can get essentially 100% of the US population to sign it must be taken seriously. While I won't quite go so far as to say it should be immediately implemented, I'm having difficulty believing that anything with such widespread support could be against the nation's best interests.

Mod parent up. This always bothers me with these kinds of stories. While the immediate usefulness of this particular project may be questionable, the long-term benefit of this type of research is potentially huge, and the best way to find the flaws and improve the technology is to put it to the test in real situations.

DARPA and NASA (and other similar organizations) projects very often result in tons of technologies that provide huge benefits across the board. When you aim for the stars, even if you fall a little short, you still often hit a worthwhile target. Just think about robotics, the internet, advanced materials, all kinds of food safety improvements, etc. All of these things that we take for granted now were the direct result or biproducts of DARPA and NASA projects. The world would NOT be the same as it is without this type of research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/ten-nasa-inventions.htm

Finally. When that catches on, it'll be a nice improvement over the people on the road during my commute.

The last time I used Myth (within a few months I believe), the commercial detection worked flawlessly for the few shows I recorded. My Myth box unfortunately does not handle HD well and doesn't get much use anymore, but it seems to have improved since the box was under the TV a few years ago. If the Myth guys can get it that good, I think there's hope for Dish. (Though if the AC is correct and it's all done by people, it doesn't really matter what I say)

I'm sure someone will post that Myth sucks and never detects commercials properly, but it worked for me.

While the RIAA and US government are far from innocent, it is in fact YOUR government that is to blame if you have a problem with the laws in your country. Get busy fixing it instead of blaming others for your problems.

Probably true, and it looks great on the surface.

But lots of companies don't work anything like their mission statements would suggest. While I'm not a fan of KDE myself, it would be a shame if they are going in that direction.