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Comment Re:New data mining (Score 1) 92

Ever hear of a National Security Letter?

No, but the picture of a bird I've attached to this comment will disappear if I ever get one.

It just turned into an X. Should I call Elon?

Only if it's a 10,000,000 lumen flashbulb shining directly into your apartment window.

Comment Re:So, wait a minute! (Score 1) 170

More like a population of people who becomes so dependent on social media that they can't get information any other way any longer has bad side effects.

Does Canada have a "NOAA Weather Alert" style system in place?

My car, a radio in my office, and a radio in my house all tune into the strongest NOAA radio channel they can find and then will go off any time of the day or night when there's an emergency....like a forest fire, tornado, extreme thunderstorm, damaging hail, etc...basically anything that is imminently dangerous to life or property.

Comment Re:going back to the company store days! (Score 1) 151

Possible answer: Control. Forcing the Plebs around gives those in upper management woodies knowing they have so much control over other peoples lives.

Another possible is it gives upper's a "home court" advantage in any ordering people around. A person in their home is more likely to say "No" to an onerous request than if they are in their Bosses office. Which is also an aspect of "control"

Maybe so...but maybe it's the quality of the employees they are hiring. I'm willing to do just about anything that isn't illegal, immoral, or unsafe as long as I keep getting a good paycheck. I mean...if I were earning $15/hr at a gas station and they decided they wanted me to start cutting down brush and felling trees on their property in 115 degree heat, I wouldn't be interested....but if I were making $150k/year at some tech company and they asked if I could help clean the bathrooms because all the janitors were out sick, I would have zero problem with that. Hell...if Google wanted to pay me $250k/year, I would eat, sleep, and work in my damn office for a few years to pad my retirement account.

Comment Re:You spend the money on the office space (Score 1) 151

You're thinking like someone who works for a living. Stop that. Start thinking like someone who owns for a living. What George Carlin called in his rants "The Owners". Their interests are completely disconnected from yours and mine.

Interesting thought....but I *do* work for a living. Even though I'm a small business owner, I'm never going to be part of that in-group that is investing in trying to keep people in office spaces in order to make returns on investments in other nearby companies or profit off being some restaurant across the street from FBHQ.
Maybe I've misunderstood what you're getting at...

Comment Re:going back to the company store days! (Score 5, Insightful) 151

Google is hoping to lure workers back to the office

Show up for work, or you're fired. Problem solved. No "luring" needed. It's time for these pussies to grow a spine and put a stop to this nonsense.

I completely agree with that. Google could say "show up or you're fired". It's their right as a business.
On the flip side, employees can say "I'm not working in an office. If I am required to, I quit."

That's what I did as an employee (not for Google) about 10 years ago. My employer caved and allowed it for a year. Then they said "come back to the office because we just purchased a larger office". I said "no", they said it wasn't optional, and I quit on the spot.

Now I run my own business and 100% of our employees work from home with the rare (maybe one day every 3-4 months) client-site visit.

Why spend hundreds or thousands (or in Big Tech's case probably hundreds of thousands) per month on office space and forcing employees to waste hours every day being unproductive behind a windshield? I happily work 4 12-15-hour days every week...because I can live in the middle of nowhere and it's still costs me less time and money than when I used to drive 50 miles to work every day....no having to leave early for the inevitable 15-20 minute traffic jam, no parking meters, no tolls, decreased vehicle maintenance costs (bought a car in 2017 and it's still under 60k miles), etc...

Comment Re:fight ? like how ? (Score 1) 75

Frankly, the last time I didn't go to work my explanation was "I don't wanna".

It's amazing how much you can get away with when you're actually qualified. Try it some time, you might like it.

Sure. If your qualified. But if you keep it up, eventually someone (maybe even slightly less qualified but willing to consistently show up...maybe even for less pay) will take your place.

I work my ass off every day because I negotiated good pay in exchange for my skills and actually doing the job. I like being able to provide for my family. I enjoy being able to spend my money on things my kids enjoy and will teach them. Maybe tomorrow it will bite me in the ass and the company will randomly fire me because they found someone cheaper. I doubt it, but oh well. I'll go work somewhere else.

Comment Re:never shared with Google (Score 1) 63

All these things go to Google, not to someone stalking you. A stalker, who is after _you_ personally, is much more of a danger to you than Google. Google won't be waiting to drag you into some dark alley.

Yeah, but TFS specifically pointed out that the data is "encrypted and never shared with Google"...as if everything else on the damn phone wasn't sending data to Google...

A stalker is easy to deal with. Arm yourself, learn self-defense, call the cops, etc...
An abusive monopoly or a rogue government is much more difficult to deal with.

Comment never shared with Google (Score 1) 63

> Google notes that this location data "is always encrypted and never shared with Google." Oh...well...thank God for that. I mean...it's not like the Pixel phone I'm carrying with me reports my location to Google through the search app, the Google Home app, the Nest app, the GMail app, the Find My Phone app, and probably various components in the core OS. Then there's the cell phone company location tracking/selling, and the multitude of other apps that all require location permission to do various things. I'm glad Google is so worried about my privacy... /sarcasm

Comment Re:Yesss! (Score 1) 141

The Year of Linux on (3% of) Desktop is finally here! (party emoji here)

At 3%, it officially turned the corner from irrelevant to beleaguered.

Sorry--my bad. I turned on my old Linux laptop that's been sitting in the closet for a few years. I guess I bumped us over the top.

Comment Re:Difficult questions [Re:Summary quality?] (Score 1) 75

Filter error: That's too much. ;) I had to trim a lot.

My point was that, if the road were private, it would be a different situation. You would not "own" the road up to the center line. It would be a parcel of private property abutting your own.

...or it would still be your property and they leased it to them. Or you "join the road club" and agree to maintain your section for a share of the profits.

I certainly don't like that either. It's worth noting though that government _wants_ to do it but, in the meantime, private companies have gone ahead and just done it. Don't like it? You can't ever buy a new vehicle again. The only hope is if government regulates out of control private industry.

Most states have "black box laws" that tell manufacturers to collect certain data. Since vehicle manufacturers don't have to make 50 different models of their car because of the different laws, they typically collect everything they are required to for every state and they don't care if they're "over collecting" for your state.

I mean...the easy solution without government interference is to realize that "every car company is collecting and selling your data and it's super intrusive"...and then either launch a competing car company that brands itself as not collecting your data...or start a company that specializes in removing black boxes from vehicles. Government isn't the solution, it's the problem.

The bridge failed due to age, design problems [snip] Companies have been known to do beancounting on this stuff. Figure out how much profit they can make by stretching safety limits under the understanding that failure resulting in death _will_ be the result.

Sounds like a lawsuit would be in order.

As long as the payouts are less than what they have to pay out in lawsuits, fines, etc. in the end, they often just go ahead knowing they will kill people because it's more profitable.

Why would the payout be less than the profit? Could it be a corrupt, incompetent, or ineffective judiciary? Could the government have made some sort of laws that limit the amount of damages in certain cases through regulatory agencies? Look at the Monsanto/Bayer trial about glyphosate. I have a friend who used to handle the stuff in the 90s. They are a walking trainwreck of medical issues--everything from cancer to psoriasis to things the doctors can't even diagnose. The government has been saying for years that there's no grounds for a lawsuit because the FDA or EPA (don't recall which) says it's perfectly safe. Finally someone managed to convince a judge that Bayer/Monsanto had the governemnt in their back pocket and lawsuits are proceeding...unfortunately the friend died several years ago and won't see a penny.

The government gets sued all the time and they don't generally lean on their sovereign immunity. The government is generally much more likely to settle when they're at fault than a corporation.

Nearly every single lawsuit against the police would beg to differ. Regardless, it's easy to settle in those cases when you aren't financially responsible for it. The people are--including the accuser.

You're the one who presented legal liability as a solution to corporate greed killing people. The lack of profit motive makes government less likely to make the kind of unsafe choices that can lead to this liability in the first place.

You're telling me there isn't a single politician in Washington DC that has made money by private companies sending them "campaign donations" to get them to vote a certain way? I mean hell...insider trading is *legal* for Congress. It might be unethical, and they might get a slap on the wrist from a committee, but they regularly benefit from trading stocks in companies they actively regulate.

On the local level, there are plenty of police departments that police for profit. Civil asset forfeiture. They'll take your money and force you to prove you aren't a criminal in order to *try* and get it back.

You're seriously using submarines as an example right now, after the recent Titan debacle?

I didn't mean to offend you, and certainly didn't try to diminish the absolute tragedy of the situation. It's just a recent event where news agencies are reporting on the "lack of regulation" killing people.

Well, they normally have to compensate you at market value. Eminent domain can get pretty ugly.

Contrast that with any other crime. We don't condone rape as long as the victim gets compensated for the market value of their body. (I have no idea what a hooker costs in Nevada, but I would imagine it's under $1,000/hr).

We don't allow vehicles to be stolen out of people's driveway as long as they pay $57 per day (or whatever Enterprise charges to rent a car).

It's still not slavery or theft, of course. I once lived on a property [snip] In any case, he never got to build his road. So, I've had some experience with the pitfalls of eminent domain.

Seems like fraud to me. He misrepresented and hid things from you when selling the property. It's not slavery or theft because the government didn't take it from you and give it to him "for the public good".

Ranked choice would be a fairly good alternative. It's not entirely free of paradoxes, but it's definitely a better system.

Agreed. I haven't put too much thought into it, so I don't have any idea of a good (or perfect) solution. I'm going to have to read up on multi-pass voting (never heard of it before), but on a quick skim it appears to be pretty similar to ranked choice. Not that I vote. Both parties are corrupt as hell.

Representative Republic is not mutually exclusive with Democracy. You're thinking of direct democracy.

Granted. But that's what we've become. Property tax is atrocious. If 51% of your neighbors decide the police department needs a tank, you *will* help pay for that tank or your property will be seized over taxes. We no longer say "we can vote on stuff, but we can't vote to take other people's stuff".

if the ISPs were a purely capitalistic endeavor with no regulation, how many choices do you imagine you would have for an ISP (at least one with hard lines)?

I think if the internet suddenly became a big thing today and there was little or no regulation (similar to when I worked for a startup ISP in the early 90s), you would see a lot more cheap wireless ISPs (and competitors standing near towers with microwave ovens pointed at the towers with the door open and the safeties disabled) because it doesn't require as much in terms of land purchases/leases. You would probably see a lot of neighborhood co-ops too. i.e. everyone on my street has internet and it runs through fiber buried in a ditch by the road or on power poles. I'm sure we could come to a mutual agreement to trench fiber or put fiber on poles (hey--maybe electricity too) in order to get what we all want.

Side note: I think electricity would be different too. I think you'd see a lot more home generation. While the solar gain in my area isn't enough to power my house with the current solar technology, I think you would see a lot more solar, and I would guess there would probably have been significant advancement in the small nuclear appliance market. I remember some company in Australia talking about in the late 90s. They had a box smaller than a car that was self-maintaining and didn't have the ability to melt down that would provide power for 25 or 50 years or something like that.

On the contrary, I think they care a lot about the cost - it determines the size of their kickback from the private contractor they toss the work to.

LOL! Maybe. But I'm betting they'd rather approve a $100,000,000 project and get a 2% kickback as opposed to approving a $50,000 project and get a 2% kickback.

The politicians who know nothing about space technology but make all the big technology decisions, that is. That's still not an artifact of government though, that's yet another example of private industry polluting things.

The politicians (government) who know nothing...make...the...decisions...that's still not...government?

Thanks to the EPA, it's extremely difficult to sue for harm because various companies are "just following the EPA rules".
I mean...it was difficult to sue for all the thalidomide injuries because it was considered save by government. Eventually the government realized it wasn't safe and it would be political suicide to stand behind the drug companies in the face of public outrage.

Because the Republicans won't allow a proper government healthcare plan so they "compromised" on Obamacare.

The government's plan was to *force* everyone to buy insurance and insurance must provide a minimum set of specific things. That's abhorrent. Again, it's involuntary servitude. Based on my family history that goes back several generations, I will need almost *zero* medical care (excluding random trauma like an unexpected car accident) my entire life. I won't get diabetes, I won't have heart problems, I won't get cancer, etc...right up until I hit about 58. Then I will unexpectedly drop dead. I won't bore you with the details, but modern medicine checked everything out and there is *nothing* that can be done. Not meds, not diet changes, not more exercise.

It was the same with my dad. Same with my grandfather. Same with my great grandfather.

I found out about the condition due to the autopsy when my father passed and I found out *I* had it when I finally decided to get life insurance and they tested me for free. They said "We can't insure you, you should call your doctor immediately". I found a doctor, had them run blood work.

Excluding those tests (which I paid cash for), my total medical expenses for the last ~20 years have been under $5,000. I'm on my fourth set of glasses--not because my prescription has changed, but because eventually they become completely scratched up or I lose them. I've also had two root canals and one cavity filled.

So tell me why government knows best and should force me to pay for a service I don't need and costs more than just paying out of pocket? The risk is acceptable to me.

Everyone should be free to make their own choices and accept their own risk. Yeah, tomorrow I could have some horrendous health issue and need to spend tens of thousands. That's my choice. My potentially bad decisions shouldn't be subsidized by you.

It sure sounds like that was what you were saying.

Sorry--bad context and bad Slashdot threading.
If I decide to cut down a tree on my own property, make a raft, and float it on a pond on my property....exactly how much should the government be involved?
If I decide I *want* a raft, should anyone be forced to sell it to me? Should anyone be forced to manufacture it for me? Should I get it for free because I voted to force you to pay $0.01 per $100,000 value on your property in "raft taxes"?

Some people don't want or need a raft. Some people already have a raft. Some want one raft, but have to pay the equivalent of 500 rafts to get one. Some people wouldn't even think of rafting, but now that they get one, they're going to use it every day for weeks, smash it into rocks, and then get issued a new raft. That's the government's healthcare plan.

Then we're all slaves. Not sure what else to tell you. Everyone lives under some kind of restrictions on their body and their own actions. Everyone in some way, shape or form. Everyone, regardless of the particular system you live under. Anything else is a magical fantasy with unicorns and singing toilet brushes.

Well...yes. My original point was that taxation and government are a form of slavery. We should minimize it as much as possible, not grow it for comfort.

I've already voiced my objections to the public/private abomination you're talking about and made it clear that I favor a government run option for a health insurance plan. As for regulation, it certainly can had added costs to business.

And I've already voiced my objections to government-run healthcare. I have a handful of military buddies that have all be screwed over by the VA. They provide terrible healthcare. One of my friends broke his glasses. After 5 months of not being able to get an appointment, they finally got him one and completely screwed up the prescription. He was repeatedly told "just keep wearing them and your eyes will adjust--they're new". After another 3 months of trying to get an appointment, I took him to my *private* eye doc. Got a next-day appointment, and he said "yeah, they reversed the lenses". I got him new glasses within a week--even though it was a private doctor suffering under dumb regulation and insurance companies....because I paid cash.

Done right, it reduces costs and unfairness to consumers and, in some cases, can even reduce costs.

Again, what's fair about stealing everyone's money to put it into a slush fund to pay for everyone's healthcare.
How does adding a few thousand government employees who all get an above-average salary, gold-plated retirement, and plenty of sick/vacation time (paid out of the slush fund) decrease costs?

For example, the regulation about not denying people for pre-existing conditions clearly does add cost for businesses because they can't just dump sick people and let them die uninsured which is a great money saver. Do you actually object to that regulation?

Yes. There's one of those "guns" I was talking about.
People have a way of pretending government is a nebulous thing. Instead of pretending that "government" is going to magically fix some injustice, imagine it was dumped directly on you--the individual, not spread out in a million tiny increments across all the population.

If you start a business, grow it to earning $30k/mo, hire two employees, and one of them says "Darn. I got cancer. I'm going to take a lot of time off work, and you're going to have to find someone else to partially (and eventually permanently) fill my shoes...but you're still going to have to pay me even though I can't do the work...is that fair to you? Is that fair to the other employees who are actually able to work?

It's different if you've signed a *contract* to do so--like with an insurance company. Unfortunately insurance is frequently tied to employment which screws people over when they leave or get fired. They get told "Sorry you lost your job. That'll be $800/mo if you want to keep your insurance. Cancer? Ooh...you definitely don't want insurance to lapse, but no one is going to offer to let you pay $50/mo payment in exchange for having to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical treatment."

I ran into this with FMLA in my state. An employee decided to take 4 months off because his live-in girlfriend has his baby. Why am *I* responsible for the employees personal choices? Why didn't he save money for the event? Why didn't he go find an insurance company that will let him pay $75/mo, but then cough up $18,000 when he *decides* to have a child? You can't find that without government regulation because business owners don't say "I can't wait to start a business so I can't afford to feed my family and I go into serious debt to let employees not work but still get paid".

Sure a heart attack isn't a decision like a child...but things like smoking, eating McDonalds every day, and drinking 4 monster energy drinks every morning are.
Who is responsible for those dumb decisions? Under your plan, it's not the person who is smoking and eating Big Macs non-stop. Random doctors are.
Who pays the bill for those dumb decisions? You. Me. Everyone who earns money. But not my neighbor who is 32 and hasn't worked a day in her life because she gets "anxiety" if she's not in front of her computer 24/7 and somehow managed to convince the government we all should be paying her way in life.

So you've removed personal responsibility...and you've removed financial responsibility. That's a dangerous situation to be in. I mean...the ERs have been overrun in the last 20 years by people treating the sniffles like it's a medical emergency...and they don't think twice because they don't have to pay for it.

Once again, you seem to be confused about what a monopoly is. There are, in fact, many insurance companies. They theoretically compete against each other. So it seems to me what we're seeing here is a breakdown of a supposedly free market rather than a government created monopoly.

I forget what the number is in my state, but let's just say $10 million. So to become a "competing" insurance company in my state, you're gonna need $10,000,000 in the bank to cover potential claims, not to mention a few licenses and certifications and permission from the state insurance commissioner and business registration, and, and, and. Go! Wait...why aren't you competing yet?

What we have now isn't the free market. It's not capitalism. It's crony capitalism. You can't say true capitalism doesn't work and government is better when you are comparing government to crony capitalism.

I'm saying that NIH is not just an acronym for national institutes of health. Too many layers of contractors and sub-contractors and sub-sub-contractors and sub-sub-sub-contractors who contract back to the original contractors, etc. leads to an environment where no-one can get anything done. No-one is a decider.

Seems like the typical gridlock of government. I'd rather have my local doctor decide my treatment and maybe refer me to a specialist and pay them for their services than have some heavily-regulated insurance company second-guessing a doctor, mandating changes to prescriptions, deciding who is "in network" and who is out, forcing me to see someone that is cheaper for them (possibly because they are less educated or have worse stats or are bad at negotiating), delaying payments to doctors because hanging on to a few million for a few extra weeks or months can really earn you a lot in interest, and possibly having to go to court to settle things. Anyways, eventually this article will age-out and neither of us will be able to reply. Not to mention, I doubt I'm going to change your mind. So I will leave it with these simple thoughts:

Why can't people pay for the service they use instead of paying government to combine everything in to a slush fund (with costly government administrators) that seriously screws some people over and seriously benefits others (i.e. healthcare, the insolvency of social security, taxes in general)?

If an idea is so good (like buying car insurance or health insurance), why does it need to be made mandatory by government?

Why set up complex government systems that end up being corrupted by companies donating to corrupt members of government that prevent you from being compensated when you've been harmed (i.e. the EPA, the FDA and drug company protections and allowed chemicals, state government and drunk drivers, etc...)?
Who is responsible when bad things happen to people--like someone loses their job or suddenly gets cancer? Everyone dies. Do you want government mandating that you help pay for something that isn't your fault? Maybe they should have had health insurance. You could consider charitable giving though...I mean...see my first question. Why not give money directly to someone who needs it instead of setting up a complex system? If your answer is that people aren't charitable, see my second question--why make "charity" mandatory through theft only to have it corrupted by corrupt politicians and crony capitalists?

I enjoyed the debate--thanks.

Comment Re:Difficult questions [Re:Summary quality?] (Score 1) 75

As a result, you would be forcing everyone to overpay as a captive market. You may think you're being taken advantage of with taxes, but that's nothing compared to what a commercial monopoly controlling a vital resource will do.

At least I can refuse to do business with monopolies. If you don't like Amazon (remember when they were revolutionary and the "little guy"), try Walmart. If you don't like either of them, try a small "mom and pop" store.
I'm not a fan of Home Depot, so I go to my local hardware store and pay about 10% more for the stuff I need. You can't refuse to do business with government.

Not as ridiculous as all that. Also, why, in this example, would you own to the center line in front of your property? Remember we're talking about a private road. If they built it without government, then the private entity that built it owns the land. Even if they didn't, it would still be their road and, if they can track your movements on their road well enough, they could totally charge you every time you pull out into the street. What could you do about it?

I'm not sure what it's like in the cities, but out here in the country in my area, most roads straddle the line between two properties. And yes, you do own up to the center line...but it's a "right of way", so you can't prevent people from coming on "your property" because you sorta "gave it up" (by force) to the government.

Out to the east of us, the roads are particularly funny. They'll run straight as an arrow for miles, then suddenly do a zigzag because someone wasn't forced to give up the right of way to the middle of their property and the road had to go around the edge. Usually because there were established buildings.

As for tracking, the government totally wants to do that. Several states are pushing for GPS-based road usage. While I'm not happy with the potential privacy implications, it would allow usage-based charges. Although I doubt the government would ever willingly cut off a revenue stream and stop charging gas taxes. It'll just be a new fee added to it.

Not that often. One of the most recent bridge collapses you may have heard about is the Morandi bridge in Italy that collapsed and killed 43 people. Of course, that bridge was actually privately owned, so that's not a good example for your argument. It's actually a great example on how private companies managing infrastructure prioritize profitability over public safety. Your turn I guess. Name a government bridge that collapsed and killed a similar number of people.

It's a *great* example. I'm not familiar with the laws in Italy, but anyone injured *should* be able to sue the crap out of that company...because the bridge wasn't safe. Assuming the bridge didn't suddenly collapse due to...say....a barge hitting a pylon....in which case the company that owns the barge could be sued.

Good luck suing the US government though. If they screw up, they just tax everyone a bit harder to pay things off or print more money. Both of those things harm everyone.

Being able to sue for liability after the fact does not make dead people whole. That requires a miracle.

So what part of government ownership as opposed to private ownership of the road makes this a non-issue?

I think most people care a lot less about liability than they do about these things just not happening in the first place, which is a lot less likely under government management.

And yet people get into non-government-run submarines, cars, space ships, and do all sorts of non-government-regulated activities. You assume your own risk. Don't make the government assume it by taxing the crap out of everyone. I mean...bring on the government-controlled healthcare. I'll start smoking a pack a day since I'm not responsible for paying for all the medical crap I will eventually have to go through. ;)

Cell phone towers very frequently go on land that is essentially gifted to the cell phone company by government. When they have to go on private land, there's usually a fairly large geographic area they can go on and lots of siting options. If someone says no, then can generally just ask someone else. Roads need to be contiguous and not excessively curvy and require use of the property of potentially hundreds or thousands of people. You might jump at the chance, but what about the landowners who say "no way, no how"? Or the ones who say "there's no way you can complete your three-hundred mile long road without my cooperation! You need a 1/4 of an acre? Sure thing, $100 million please."?

Ok--so let's look at the flip side. "$100 million please". "Naah. We're just going to take your property instead."
Slavery is wrong. Theft is wrong. No matter how much you shout "but it's for the public good!".

The US has a number of flaws in its voting system that basically railroads people into a two party system. The main one is the failure to compensate for the spoiler effect in most jurisdictions.

Sorry--didn't mean to derail the discussion, but I'd take ranked-choice voting in a heartbeat. I think that would fix a lot of this nonsense.

Thinking that is some sort of inherent problem with democracy or with the concept of government is a huge mistake.

Small nitpick. We aren't a democracy in the United States. We are a Representative Republic...which means we typically vote for people to represent us, but in NO cases do we allow 51% (mob rule) to vote to steal private property or be allowed to take someone else's money. Unfortunately that system has failed, and now politicians do it all the time.

Those government regulations are due to regulatory capture letting the big ISPs create local artificial monopolies. This is an example of private business perverting the situation. If you had Internet service as a government-run public utility, that would not be happening. Even just the existence of that as a option would drive down prices for the other ISP(s) and also most likely get the problem regulations out of your way.

I agree with your initial statement--but the root cause is government. It's not capitalism that allows this to happen. It's government being allowed to regulate something they should have zero involvement in. But since they got their foot in the door, companies can bribe politicians and get the "ladder pulled up behind them"....preventing new competition.

The reason that everything is so expensive for NASA is that they have to do everything through private contractors

The reason it's so expensive is they get to set requirements with very little care about the cost...because they didn't have to convince anyone to give them money. They just take it from all of us by force.

You live in a rural area where you can even have your own septic. Not everyone has that available. They also don't pay the insane prices you're quoting there to dispose of less waste that flushing the toilet once a day. I think your numbers are probably way off. If not, the town you are mentioning is vastly more expensive than most. Either way, I'm not really sure what it's supposed to prove.

I get it's anecdotal, but I have friends who live in town. Basic service is $250/mo. It's atrocious. They put in a new multi-million dollar treatment plant that was partially matched by federal funds--so thank you for paying your "fair share" in a system you will probably never use, and if it overflows into the river, it will probably have a near-zero impact on you and your life...except that it overflowed a few months after it was brought online because it rained a bunch. Oh well. The government fined itself for being incompetent, so the feds took money from the city and the city raised taxes and rates. It's a poor rural area (I think the town has ~700 people in it), and the median income is in the low $30,000s...so a bunch of poor people couldn't afford it...so they raised rates even higher for the big evil corporations and business owners. So the people who could afford it moved out of the city and a huge multi-million dollar business deal that was in progress decided not to build here, and that took an estimated 100 jobs somewhere else. So now the city is in hot water because they're struggling to pay their part of the loan for the stupid multi-million dollar treatment plant and they want to raise rates even higher. The only two people who are making out like bandits are the mayor (who earns over 4x the median income for the area), and the person who allowed the city to spray the biosludge from the treatment plant on the largest privately-owned property in the area. It's ~50 acres....oops....they're the same person. Corrupt as hell. Thankfully, I have my own water/septic system, so I can avoid enriching the mayor. At least...I think I can. For all I know the local septic companies might dump on his property too. Oh well. At least they're cheaper than city water/sewer, and I can chose which company I want to do business with.

Ok, this has been a mostly intelligent discussion. This is just nonsense though. No-one is holding a gun to a doctor's head and forcing them to treat people for free. This is basically a non-sequitur on your part.

A right means no one can take it away from you or deprive you of it.
The first amendment acknowledges you have the right to speak freely. I can't come over and try to prevent you from speaking...and if I were to try, you can use whatever force is necessary to prevent me from harming you. Same with the second amendment. If you want to own a gun for self defense, you have that right....but no one is *forced* to provide one to you for free. The government doesn't tax the public at large to ensure you have a PA system or a gun.

Now apply that to healthcare. If you have a "right" to healthcare...why is government forcing you (or your employer) to buy insurance so that you can get healthcare?

That sounds hysterical and crazy. Saying that everyone should get health insurance funded by their taxes and run by the government has absolutely zero to do with enslaving doctors. It's just a different health insurance plan.

I didn't say "enslaving doctors". It's more about enslaving people.
If you have control over your own body and your own actions, you are free.
If you are *forced* to perform actions with your body and have no control over it, you are a slave. It doesn't matter if it's the historical slavery we saw in the United States where you were forced to work for little or no pay and made to work long hours on plantations, or if you are compelled or coerced into doing something else "for your own good". Sure, one master might beat you daily and the other might only beat you once a year, but it's still slavery.

It is highly regulated. Specifically because over, and over and over again private insurance would cheat people and trick people. Because of the profit motive.

There really ought to be some sort of system that handles contracts and fraud between two or more voluntary parties. Maybe get a group of randomly selected people to hear "cases" and make decisions based on some sort of "law". We could have some sort of "judge" presiding over everything to ensure the law is followed and order is maintained for these proceedings. ;) ...as opposed to trying to sue the government for making unjust and unfair laws. I'd rather go up against a company that makes a few hundred million per year than a "company" that can pay it's legal bills (both wins and losses) from a near-unlimited pool of money taken our of everyone else's pockets.

These are examples of private insurance raising their rates. Blaming that on government makes no sense. These are private insurance company rates, set by the insurance company.

Are you trying to tell me that regulation has zero added cost to businesses?
Or that "evil greedy insurance companies" won't raise their rates the very moment you are *forced* to buy a product from them?

This all seems to be negotiations between private commercial entities so far to me.

It's a negotiation between a private company and a government-created monopoly. One dentist in my area refused to put up with the insurance company bullshit. He went out of business because the insurance companies refused to pay for treatment because patients weren't "in network". Before ~2008 there weren't really any "in network" dentists unless you were a huge HMO like Kaiser...but even then you could typically go to your closest dentist.

You haven't actually drawn any line between government regulation and these results. You just presented a conclusion with no actual evidence of government involvement.

...are you saying that you don't accept that government is involved in healthcare because I haven't presented any evidence that government regulates healthcare or insurance? Or that all the government regulation and involvement doesn't increase costs?

Yep, you have to do it their way and integrate with their system and be certified for it. Of course, I should note that system was developed by the VA having private commercial entities bid on a contract to make it.

So you're saying the government could have built a *much* better system because government is so much better than private entities...but that same government is completely incompetent when it comes to putting out bids for software performance, design, and selection?

Comment Re:Difficult questions [Re:Summary quality?] (Score 1) 75

Less than the amount you pay in taxes that actually goes to support a similar bridge that isn't tolled? Almost certainly not. Less than the entire amount you pay in taxes? Of course it is. Why on Earth would your usage of one specific bridge ever cost more than you pay in taxes for thousands of bridges, thousands of miles of roads, utilities, railroads, all kinds of other infrastructure, defense, police, fire, schools, etc., etc.? Would you actually be happy with no taxes but paying those tolls at every bridge, and on every stretch of road, I wonder?

Yup. I'd be fine with that.
I don't see anything wrong with paying for what you use as opposed to forcing some people to overpay for what they don't use and others to underpay (or not pay at all) for things they use.

If there were a toll booth, virtual or otherwise right at the end of your driveway and backing your car out and turning it around and backing it in cost you every time? I doubt it, and I seriously doubt it would be less than the portion of your taxes that goes to roads and bridges.

I mean...that's a ridiculous example, but most people technically own "to the center line" in front of their property, so backing out to turn around isn't a problem. But I also live in the country, so I have a mile-long gravel driveway. Costs about $200/year to maintain. But in the current system the gov road is considered "right of way" so even though you own it, everyone is allowed to use it--just like the utility companies can come dig up your driveway when there's a cable fault. I don't have a problem with having a right-of-way or even public roads. But let's face it, the government pretends to tax fuel and mileage "for the roads", but it just goes into a big pool of other tax money and then they allocate the earnings to whatever the hell the want. Government roads in my area have been absolutely trashed for years and nothing gets fixed. I'm sure by now there are some pretty good formulas for calculating wear and tear on roads depending on the weight of vehicles, seasons, temperatures, rainfall, number of tires, etc...and a road tax could be split among "road users" based on various factors (like the fore-mentioned number of tires and distance traveled).

All that regulation that is seriously needed so that the bridge doesn't just drop into the body of water below it someday and that probably also keeps prices sane, is part of government, which is funded by your taxes.

Because government-owned bridges have never collapsed and killed people?
What's so difficult to get about the situation...if I own a private bridge and charge a toll....and it collapses through my negligence...you can still sue the crap out of me. It's not like a public vs private absolves anyone from liability.

Now, for a bridge, just owning a little land on either side of the river is simple enough. What about roads stretching hundreds of miles though? How does a private entity go about acquiring the land for something like that stretching for miles or even hundreds of miles without ending up with a crazy ribbon that wends back and forth all over the place?

Well for one, a private company doesn't get to roll in and take the land by force, so...I guess they'd have to make a deal.
If someone came to me and said we want to buy or lease a 1/4 acre slice of your property to build a road, and we're willing to give you $5,000 and something like $0.001 per car that passes for the next 25 years (I'm just pulling numbers out of my ass), I'd jump on it. I mean...cell phone companies do it. There's a tower lease on the property next door to me. The guy rakes in about $1,000/mo just for letting them use a ~40x40 foot chunk of his land.

If cell phone companies can make it work, so can "private road companies".

Switch to Verizon. We have the fastest, safest, nation-wide coast-to-coast all-paved highway network(tm).

Depends on the type of government and who in the government is responsible. In a democratic government, you vote out problem elected officials and try to vote in ones who will be less problematic.

But here in reality, you end up voting for red team or blue team because you think one of them will skull-fuck you less than the other one, but they both do it and your vote doesn't really matter because 51% of your neighbors can decide what they think you should be *forced* to pay for.

Maybe your ISP is Verizon, and you don't like them because they're evil, what's your option? Comcast? Good joke, right? Firing them means doing without.

That's a pretty bad example. I looked at starting a competing ISP because the only game in town offered 6 MB *fiber* for $125/mo, 100 MB fiber for $200/mo, and gigabit fiber for $450/mo. I looked at costs and leasing fiber to the nearest carrier hotel...turns out I could easily make it work....but then I ran into all the government regulations and legal BS I had to jump through, and realized the startup costs would be well over $150,000 before I had even connected the first user.
I realized that my local ISP was probably gouging a bit, but at their rate, I could have internet service for ~30 years before it was cheaper to start my own ISP and assume a bunch of debt/risk.

Not a lot of evidence to support that theory.

I never claimed there was. But there certainly are a handful of examples. What does it cost NASA to launch a few astronauts into orbit? What does it cost Space X (taking into account they're probably getting some sweet government funding at our expense).

What does it cost for the government to provide sewage services to people in your town verses what's the cost per house in the country to maintain their own systems? In my nearest town, water and sewer costs a *minimum* of $250/mo just to be connected and use less than I think 500 gallons per month. Maybe it's 200. I don't know. Meanwhile, in the past 14 years my total cost for water and septic came out to an average of $40.85/mo. That includes pumping, power, maintenance, and one unfortunate time when I accidentally cut a water line and had to hand-dig and patch things at 8 PM.

The healthcare choices you face are an example of the problem with the public/private system that exists though. Forcing employers to give employees private health insurance was put in place as a substitute for having a proper government healthcare plan that covers everyone.

No, the problem is that no one has a *right* to the labor of other individuals.
You can't hold a gun to a doctor's head and tell him he *must* treat you for free.
Because of that, healthcare is not a "right". It's a good or service that can be purchased--just like new tires for your car or an ice cream cone.
Pretending it's anything else is supporting slavery.

it's pretty clear that the private health insurance market is not doing you any favors. Do you still somehow blame that on government?

Heh...how do you not see that government is to blame? Insurance is *highly* regulated, and so is healthcare.
I have two good examples from my lifetime. When I was a child, my parents voluntarily paid for insurance. It was easily under $100/mo, and the only out-of-pocket was anywhere from $1 to $14 copays. Fast forward a few decades to ~2006 and I was about to voluntarily purchase healthcare for my family of 7. The *very same* company my parents used when I was a kid was going to charge me ~$475/mo. The copays were a bit higher--I think up to $25/visit. No big deal. Then Obamacare landed. The cost for my entire family would have been $1,700/mo.

At the same time, I worked in healthcare. Dentists had published prices. We're talking $450 for a root canal. Then when the recession hit, the insurance companies told dentists "become a provider with us or we're telling all the union companies in our town to go to your competitor who just signed up with us and you'll lose a *ton* of money". The dentists caved. Insurance looked at their published pricing and cut it by 10%. When the dentists said they wouldn't make a profit, insurance companies said "take it or lose most of your patients". So they took it in the shorts. Every year since then, dentists have jacked their "cash price" to ensure that when insurance companies "negotiated" lower rates, they were still earning a profit.

Now a root canal can easily cost $1,500 because insurance knocks it down to $800 plus whatever portion you have to pay...and the dentist can still turn a profit...but if you're cash-pay without insurance, you'll usually have to pay the $1,500.

Insurance companies and the government regulation of them and the healthcare industry are the problem.

I still have a dentist I can cash-pay under the table and get a 50% discount.

As a side note, I have also suffered at the hands of the VA. I'm not one of their patients, I've just tried integrating with their systems. Do you know why it's such a nightmare? Because they use a contractor for certification who doesn't really know the system which means that they can't resolve problems on their end, and they only know how to talk to their own supervisors who similarly are not really in control of or understand the systems they're working with. All because the VA has to use contractors for certifications rather than its own people.

God help you. I couldn't imagine having to integrate with the VA systems. I've seen enough of it to get a slight grasp of the absolute clusterfuck. It's no better elsewhere in healthcare. I still manage an office that has to dial up to some shitty old bulletin board system from the 90s and upload their claims via xmodem.

My company wrote a better system. It's used a several tens of private healthcare facilities. But we couldn't sell it to the VA if we wanted to. It's not that it couldn't handle the load or be modified to do what they need...it's just that we would be subject to insane amounts of government regulation and certification to even be able to put in a bid...

Comment Re:Difficult questions [Re:Summary quality?] (Score 1) 75

Is the "private" concern that owns and manages them a heavily regulated, effectively semi-public entity? How did they acquire the land to build a road? What kind of tolls do they charge?

I have no idea about the regulation, but I would assume they are heavily regulated. Most businesses are...unless you're selling seats on a tin can to the bottom of the ocean. In the case of one of the bridges, a very wealthy family owned the land for the last ~100 years or so and hired a company to build the bridge. As for tolls...well...it's waaaaay less than what I pay in taxes every year.

If the commercial bids are more attractive (not necessarily less expensive, just overall less trouble, etc.) then go ahead and go with a commercial bid. If they go significantly over budget, fire them.

Unlike the OP, I don't think a complete elimination of taxes is feasible, but I do think they need to be severely curtailed. While we need a military (for example), spending at the DOD is insanely wasteful.

Heh...now when government goes way over budget, or siphons funds away to pay for other random stuff I don't want or need...how do I fire them?

I would call it ironic that the very people that say that government can't get things done are the ones who demand that government use contractors for everything in the first place, thus making government more expensive - except that I think sabotaging the government was always the intent.

If we switched from private companies doing all the work, to having federal employees do all the work, I guarantee it would cost more. Any time you get a bloated bureaucracy (either private or public), all sorts of stuff kicks in that raises costs significantly. For example, I intentionally keep the number of clients I have under the number that would require me to hire 5 more employees and be forced to buy them all healthcare. Because of this, I can pay employees significantly higher than market rates, I retain better talent, and the employees are allowed to make their own decision on pocketing some extra cash, or buying their own healthcare. In my own personal case, I'm fit as a fiddle (family history), but my wife isn't...so I use the extra cash to buy health insurance on the "open market" (as if there was such a thing) so that I have the privilege of paying up to $6k in medical bills before health insurance kicks in and covers stuff. But it costs less than if I were forced (as a company) to buy the same insurance. Same goes for government employees--unless you end up doing your own healthcare like the VA. I have a number of friends who served, and they suffer at the hands of the VA.

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