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NewYorkCountryLawyer
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Can anyone explain to me why Slashdot's Firehose is made to be so unfriendly? It's a great idea, but in practice it's infuriating. If you see a submitted article, and click on one of the links, you can't go back to the story. You have to start all over again. If you set the filters to what you're interested in, you have to re-set them all over again. Even if you just RTFA you are punished by losing your settings. Why shouldn't Slashdot encourage people to participate in the Firehose. For a busy person, it's almost impossible to be involved. And this bizarre lack of 'stickiness' makes everything take 10 times as much times as it needs to."
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Why is Firehose so hostile?

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  • why does it have to show stories that are already running?

  • Most of what you object to can be worked around by opening new articles or links in new tabs.

    Also, to prevent it from showing stories that are already running, put "-story" in the search box.

    • So in other words, each time I want to read a firehose item I should open it in a new tab?
      • That's what I've ended up doing.
        Also I set the filter to "-story -comment" to get rid of comments as well - seems a bit weird having comments in the same feed, but there you go. Would be great if firehose remembered my filter settings though!
      • by whoever57 (658626)

        So in other words, each time I want to read a firehose item I should open it in a new tab?

        That's pretty much how I always browse because: 1. I just have to close a tab to return to my original page -- there is no need for the browser to re-render the page. 2. I might want to open multiple links from the start page and so I open them in new tabs, allowing the browser to download and render all the pages while I continue to read my original page and 3. Some pages websites don't work well with the back butto

      • Yes, in firefox 3 and IE 7, if you just middle click a link, it opens in a new tab, to close that link - middle click the tab. I've found that true with most other web surfing. It's not a big deal when you get in habit (in fact I didn't think that would be your problem.)

        My only problem is that comments made in firehose don't get forwarded into the posted article on the main page. So... it actually encourages no participation prior to posting.
        • My only problem is that comments made in firehose don't get forwarded into the posted article on the main page. So... it actually encourages no participation prior to posting.
          That's a good point, too.
  • Up until a couple of months ago, the default threshold settings didn't suck. Now, the defaults actively push me away from the fire hose. Honestly, if there was just some option in the preferences to set your own default threshold, I'd be happy. I don't care about all the ajax stuff one way or another. It was a waste of some poor coder's time and energy, but whatever makes them happy, I guess...
  • The firehose used to be pretty usable; it remembered my settings. Using a tab-based browser gets round the persistency issues while you're actually using it; but defaulting to stories with threshold-black strikes me as pointless, as that's what's on the front page anyway. I mostly use the Firehose to look at submissions with threshold=blue; I used to be able to get that just by clicking on the 'Firehose' title, but not any more. So the code exists to do things right; it just seems to have been broken someho
    • I use a tab based browser, Firefox. So the trick is to open each article in a new tab? And to open each link within that article in a separate new tab?
      • by ais523 (1172701)
        Yes, that seems to work, at least for me. I'm in the habit of doing that for websites in general anyway, closing tabs rather than using back. However, for the benefit of any slashcoder who might be reading this thread, just because there's a workaround doesn't mean that the behaviour itself is useful.
  • that finds this behavior of the software to be counterproductive.

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