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Antipater (2053064) writes "The furor over Slashdot Beta is loud enough that even outside media has begun to notice. The Washington Post's tech blog The Switch has written a piece on the issue, and the anti-Beta protesters aren't going to be happy about it. The Post questioned Slashdot founder Rob Malda, who believes the protests are the work of only a vocal minority or readers: "It's easy to forget that the vocal population of a community driven site like Slashdot might be the most important group, but they are typically also the smallest class of users." The current caretakers of Slashdot need to balance the needs of all users with their limited engineering resources, Malda argues — noting wryly, "It ain't easy.""
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CmdrTaco: Anti-Beta Movement a "Vocal Minority"

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  • That is the kind of unreadable shit, which /. is aspiring to.
  • WTF does that even mean?
  • The users produce the interesting content here

  • by FunPika (1551249) on Friday February 07, 2014 @05:23PM (#46189825) Journal
    I would expect that all the "Fuck Beta" posts would be modded down into oblivion pretty fast by the majority with mod points. I would find it hard to believe that a minority of Slashdot users, no matter how vocal they are, would be able to on their own keep a good amount of the "Fuck Beta" posts at +5 when a majority of moderators who don't think the beta is a problem should be modding it down to -1 Off Topic.
    • We might also consider that if it were a minority of people hating the new site there might be a few posts talking about how wonderful the beta site is.
      Or at least someone saying, "Give it a try, it grows on you."
      Those posts don't seem to exist.

      Also FUCK BETA!!!!
      • by unitron (5733)

        I'm not saying pro-beta posts don't exist, but I haven't had to take my shoes off to count them yet.

      • by Megane (129182)
        I guess Dice can't afford to pay for astroturfers like Microsoft can.</sarcasm>
    • by mark-t (151149)

      Well, it's not entirely true... beta *IS* a problem... at least in its current state. It has numerous user interface issues that for whatever reason, the people who run this website don't seem to want to listen to, and I actually genuinely empathize with the mindset, albeit not the methods, of the people who have been angrily posting the assorted "fuck beta" remarks.

      The single most annoying thing about those posts is that they are horrendously off-topic... and while you'd like to hope they won't get mod

      • Nice karma you got there. It'd be a real shame if something untoward were to happen to it...

        • by mark-t (151149)
          Why do you word that like some sort of veiled threat? What about the above post bothers you so much that you'd feel any sort of need to do something like that?
          • I was kidding! More smilies required I think :-)
            I've posted "anti-vandalism" comments and they've been very unpopular so I figured I'd crack a joke about it. No nefarious intent.

  • ...and read the comment at the bottom by Chad Wilson.

    (don't know if he's a registered user here, or under what name if he is)

    Nice to see our side of the story get out there.

    And please check this out and vote it up out of the Firehose

    http://slashdot.org/submission... [slashdot.org]

    • Because Ghostery reports 21 different trackers (and RequestPolicy sees 16 cross-site includes) it isn't obvious how to see the comments on that site without rolling over and exposing your belly. So I did it in a throw-away firefox profile and posted the comment here for everyone else who might be curious. It isn't anything new.

      vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
      Chad Wilson
      3:44 PM EST
      Correction: The "slashdot creator" is merely the owning company and hosting the site. The users of Slashdot CREA

      • by unitron (5733)

        It may not be new here, but the important thing about it is that it got said there, for people who aren't Slashdot users to see as an important part of the story that the article itself didn't really present.

  • ...look at the main page of that Post site

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]

    and then look at the Slashdot main page via beta

    and then look at the Post site again

    and then look at beta again...

    • by wjwlsn (94460)

      Ack. Why?

      I think that most Slashdotters would agree that the following is true:

      (Functional + Ugly) >> (Useless + Pretty)

      So why do designers so often believe the reverse argument?

      • by unitron (5733)

        You don't detect a certain resemblance?

        • by wjwlsn (94460)

          Oh, sorry... I was basically agreeing with you, and commenting on the inanity of "form over function" at the same time.

          I will say this... the WaPo site, as much as I dislike it, and as similar as it is to Beta, is still better than Beta. Not much, but at least the information density is higher. (Still sucks compared to classic, though.)

  • I'm getting tired of hearing "limited engineering resources" as an excuse for completely neutering the functionality of Slashdor. It's bullshit.

    The problem isn't limited engineering resources (and how limited can they be if you have enough to rewrite the UI?), limited resources don't alter the design or eliminate the functionality - those things are done much higher up the chain than the code monkeys. The problem is the design of the Beta site and Dice's complete lack of understanding of the nature of Sl

  • It's the old refrain, "The Lurkers Support Me In Email".

    Maybe CmdrTaco misses the site and is hoping Dice will go through with the Beta so he can buy it back for a song and restore it.

  • by trb (8509)
    Sounds like a good slashdot poll question - what do you think of the beta?
    • by clcobra (921072)
      Poll would be a way to go, let the voting begins!
    • Good idea! Just bring back the Cowboy Neal option. It was a great way to say "none of the choices are applicable." plus provide some comic relief.

      Is it just me or did /. jump the shark around the time they removed the Cowboy Neal option from polls ?

    • by MrL0G1C (867445)

      +1 to that although as others have mentioned, the fact that beta posts are being modded up and not down is a vote in itself.

      But for now I don't think they're really hearing us - if they had heard us we'd be hearing about some kind of compromise - it hasn't happened.

  • Oh, this is perfect. I just got another of those insert messages. It said "We listened, here is our response."

    There was nothing else in that box. Apparently they do have a response: NOTHING

    (Unless maybe the word "here" was a link, and some betard decided that web links looked too boring, and changed the CSS to remove the underline and make them the same color as body text.)

  • The purpose of the boycott is to tell Dice how many people are upset enough to leave. They can track the numbers. They will know. We will too even without exact numbers. In two weeks, either CmdrTaco is right (and a small minority spoke out and Slashdot will return to whatever is "normal" for the site) or he is incorrect and a huge majority will leave. Or Dice apologizes and a bunch of us stay. (I'm not too hopeful on that last one.)

    -- Common Joe

    Valentines Day Slashcott: Boycott Slashdot because "Fuck

  • by McGruber (1417641) on Saturday February 08, 2014 @10:35AM (#46195351)
    The comment that wjwlsn posted to the WaPo blog at 1:05 AM EST sums it up well:

    Look, you have to understand something: Slashdot discussions generate interesting content by allowing tons of garbage to be posted, mixed around, and evolved. Part of the evolution comes from the interactive nature of community discussion, and part of it comes from the moderation process. For this evolution process to work properly, you have to be able to see a lot of posts at once, all in one shot. You need to be able to see some contextual information about the people posting comments. When you post your own comments, you need to be able to quote or link to other posts easily. When you want to moderate, you need to be able to do it in place, at the comment you intend to moderate.

    Beta breaks all of these vital features; without them, the nature of Slashdot discussion changes completely. People will read fewer comments because the new layout hinders rapid seeking, scanning, and comprehension of potentially valuable posts... all while making it much more difficult to skim past the stuff that doesn't interest you. When people read fewer comments, they post fewer comments. When the total number of comments starts to drop, the exploration of the discussion space becomes much less thorough. Potentially valuable or interesting discussion paths will be missed. Those rare, but highly sought after gems of insight and wisdom borne from the cesspool of chaos will become much more scarce.

    You want to know why people hate the beta so much? It's because it kills the evolutionary discussion dynamic that makes the community what it is. There's nothing else like it, and many of us do not want to lose it.

    (Adapted from my original post on Slashdot:http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4761849&cid=46192975)

  • ...gets interviewed by the Washington freaking Post, and the story never gets out of the Firehose?

    Seriously?

  • http://slashdot.org/submission... [slashdot.org]

    and help get it out of the Firehose.

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