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+ - does being 'loyal' pay as a developer? 11

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An anonymous reader writes "Does loyalty pay as a developer?

As a senior developer for a small IT company based in the UK that is about to release their flagship project, I know that if I was to leave the company now it would cause them some very big problems.

Mostly because I’m currently training the other two ‘junior’ developers , trying to bring them up to speed with our products. Unfortunately however they are still a long way from grasping the technologies used – not to mention the ‘interesting’ job the outsourced developers managed to make of the code (but I’ll leave that for another post)

Usually I would never have considered leaving at such a crucial time, I’ve been at the company for several years and consider many of my colleagues, including higher management, friends.
However I have been approached by another company that is much bigger, and they have offered me a pay rise of £7k to do the same job, plus their office is practically outside my front door (as opposed to my current 45 minute commute each way)

This would make a massive difference to my life, and naturally the other half wants me to snatch their hands off!
But I can’t help but feel that to leave now would be betraying my friends and colleagues, some friends have told me that I’m just being ‘soft’ – however I think I’m being loyal.

Some of you fellow slash-dotters must have had similar experiences over the years, any advice?
thanks"
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does being 'loyal' pay as a developer?

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  • by Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) on Thursday October 06, 2011 @03:23PM (#37631452)

    Consider what sort of loyalty the company has shown you and other employees. Don't lie to yourself when you answer that question either - THAT would be "soft."

    If the company has a history of choosing profits over employees (and that out-sourcing thing sounds like they might) then you are entirely justified to do exactly the same thing yourself - turnabout is always fair play.

    On the other hand, if the company has genuinely been good to employees (not just playing favorites) then your loyalty may be justified.

    Be very wary of using the job offer as leverage. It's surprisingly common for management to decide that an employee who does that is disloyal and look for ways to screw you once you've given up that leverage by turning down the other offer. Generally it's best to just make your decision without giving your current employer any input into the process - they've already had years to make their case while you were there.

    PS Don't underestimate the value of a reduced commute - that's practically an extra day off every week.

    • by mbourgon (186257)

      Rule one: Never take the counteroffer.

      • I was reminded of something a wise man once said to me at work and decided I should come back and add this to this posting:

        "If they suddenly find that they can pay you more when you threaten to leave then it means that they've been taking the piss all along. Ask them if they'll give you back the money they owe you for the last years of being underpaid."

        If you really really love your employer then you may tell them that you feel undervalued and ask if they can do something about it. Once you've done that, without telling about the new job, and you get nothing or vague promises then it's time to leave.

  • What are the benefits of staying with your current employer? Are you in line for a bonus or increase once their flagship product is released? Will your responsibilities, workload and hours increase or decrease once the product is launched?

    Are there any other reasons - other than the obvious benefits of a pay increase and reduced commute - to join the new company? Will you receive more training or education? Any interesting technology that they use (or are developing) that you'd like to get your hands on?
  • If the company were 7k short, you would be shown the door tomorrow. Outsourced the dev of the interesting bits? There is your answer.

  • With 35 years of working for several companies under my belt. Take the job.

    Loyalty has to be to yourself first. No matter how good the experience you may have had with that company, you must put yourself and your family (if you have one), first and foremost. If the company you presently work for began to struggle, no matter how much they like you, they would put their company first. That is an absolute and for them to do less would be irresponsible. From your post, I don't get the impression it is all peach

  • About 6 months ago I was in a similar situation. I let my boss know about other offer and while he couldn't match the pay rise, he made it up in other ways like flexible working conditions, an increased say in what technologies I'll be working with, etc. It seems to worked out. That said, One of the big reasons I stayed was because it's a 5 minute walk from my apartment to my current job. 90 minutes a day, 5 days a week. More than 30 hours a month not commuting. That's a lot time to pass on. If you do st
  • At the end of the day, you have to make a decision, however, to make that decision you might want to ask yourself the following questions:

    1. What kind of working environment is the proposed job going to offer you?
    2. With the additional pay, will that mean that additional responsibilities will be required of you? Will those additional responsibilities mean more work hours (ie Will they result in working longer hours and therefor nullifying any gain in travel time.)?
    3. What do you want from a workplace?

  • Ask the new company if they would mind you part-time consulting with the old company for a few months to facilitate a seamless transition. Usually the answer is that they will permit you to help your former company out as long as you don't allow it to get in the way of your new duties. Indeed, they appreciate that you're doing so because it suggests you'll offer the same courtesy when you eventually leave their employ.

    If the answer is "no," that tells you something about the nature of the company that has m

  • Companies generally react with what's best for the company. You are a company of sorts that supplies IT services to your employer. React in the same manner. I would suggest that what is best for you and your CV is to finish the job, let the software be released, wait a month or two for the dust to settle and then go.

    This way you can show that you stayed until completion, that you completed a project successfully and are ready to accept new challenges.

  • You should also weigh up the opportunities. Which of the two jobs presents the better long-term opportunity? If it's the new job, take it without hesitation.

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