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David Lechnyr writes "We run a hosted Google Apps system and have been receiving 502 Server Error responses for the past hour. The unusual thing about this is that our Google phone support rep (which paid accounts get) indicated that this outage is also affecting Google employees as well, making it difficult to coordinate. Minor in the grand scheme of things, perhaps, but unsettling if it affects not only the clients but the service provider as well..."
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Gmail Outage Affecting Even Google Employees

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  • This just shows why "cloud computing", hosted apps, etc. is a stupid idea.

    I use Gmail too, but it's just for personal stuff, so it's not a disaster that I haven't been able to use it for an hour. But I wouldn't run a decent-size business on it. Critical systems should always be run in-house.

    • by g253 (855070)
      Yea, but you know, if you want e-mail you'll have to connect to the outside world at some point. You can keep a local copy of your e-mails, but if the server is down you won't get any new ones...
      • by Grishnakh (216268)

        Right, but Google's problem isn't that their connection to the outside world has gone down, it's that their mail servers went down.

        If you're running your own mail server, you won't have that problem; you'll only have a problem if your connection goes down (not likely, but at least you can read the mails you've already received in the meantime), or if your mail server goes down (in which case, you can only blame yourself instead of having to blame some outside provider).

        But my main point is that hosted apps

        • If you're running your own mail server, you won't have that problem; you'll only have a problem if your connection goes down (not likely, but at least you can read the mails you've already received in the meantime), or if your mail server goes down (in which case, you can only blame yourself instead of having to blame some outside provider).

          Does it really matter who you can blame? I'd think that all that would matter would be the uptime and its predictability.

          But my main point is that hosted apps are stupid, not mail. We've been running apps locally on our computers since the DOS days; why change to a system where our apps are running on some remote computer on the internet, subject to outages like this? Why should I not be able to work on a spreadsheet when my internet connection goes down, or when my apps provider has trouble? It's just stupid.

          They're only stupid because internet connections are unreliable (especially during bad weather, like when our connection was out for half a day after the last big thunderstorm here), and because they generally also mean "hosted data" which doesn't always make sense. (well, and the fact that browser-based UIs tend to suck)

          People abandoned mainframes for PCs long ago for a reason, and there really aren't any good reasons to go backwards

          Sure there is: not having to do your own maintenance.

          • by Grishnakh (216268)

            Sure there is: not having to do your own maintenance.

            What "maintenance"? Hardware maintenance? With hosted apps, you still have to have a computer locally, so there's no difference. Software maintenance? If you have issues there that warrant paying lots of money for a hosted apps solution, you're doing something wrong.

            Does it really matter who you can blame? I'd think that all that would matter would be the uptime and its predictability.

            The uptime on a mailserver shouldn't be a problem, unless you're do

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