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Nvidia Sinks Moon Landing Hoax Using Virtual Light 275

schwit1 writes Using its new top-shelf graphics processing unit, Nvidia tackles one of the most persistent conspiracy theories in American history: the veracity of the 1969 to 1972 Apollo moon landings. From the article: "'Global illumination is the hardest task to solve as a game company,' Scott Herkelman, Nvidia's GeForce general manager, said in an interview. 'Virtual point lights don't do a bad job when the environment stays the same, but a game developer has to fake shadows, fake reflections...it's a labor-intensive process.' So when a Nvidia research engineer used the company's new dynamic lighting techniques to show off a side-by-side comparison between an Apollo 11 photo and a GeForce-powered re-creation, the company knew it had a novel demo on its hands. 'We're going to debunk one of the biggest conspiracies in the world,' Herkelman said."
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Nvidia Sinks Moon Landing Hoax Using Virtual Light

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  • nVidia technology fell into the past through a wormhole.
    Luckily it was properly static-bagged, because it actually went back to 1912 and had to be stored until a computer could be developed to interface to it

    • by ledow ( 319597 )

      Problem is, technology fast enough to talk to a PCI-Express card wasn't generally available in the 60's. Or 70's. Or probably even 80's. Even with supercomputers of the age.

      More likely, nVidia has a wormhole through which they took orders for images to fake, then sent them back into the past.

      • by Mal-2 ( 675116 )

        No wormholes were necessary, they just used chains of thiotimoline [wikipedia.org] reactions.

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Problem is, technology fast enough to talk to a PCI-Express card wasn't generally available in the 60's. Or 70's. Or probably even 80's. Even with supercomputers of the age.

        More likely, nVidia has a wormhole through which they took orders for images to fake, then sent them back into the past.

        Had to be that - didn't you see the comparison between the real and the generated? That looked a bit TOO close, and we know the second image was faked, so the first one must be too.

  • PROOF (Score:5, Funny)

    by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger&gmail,com> on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:30PM (#47967607)

    That Nvidia is in on the hoax!!!1!!one!!!!

  • pfft. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:31PM (#47967611)

    as any TRUE audiophile will tell you, the highest-quality fake historic events from the 1960s were done with vacuum tube technology.

    high-end graphics card swill lacks the warmth and nuance of a true conspiracy.

  • Not gonna matter (Score:5, Insightful)

    by linuxgurugamer ( 917289 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:31PM (#47967613) Homepage
    Conspiracy theorists won't care. They will always believe that there is a conspiracy. Debunk one, and they will merely find another. For this, even if you were to fly them up there, they would find some way to disbelieve it.
    • by Matheus ( 586080 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:35PM (#47967675) Homepage

      This is just advertising anyway... nVidia doesn't care either.

    • True. They are still looking for big foot. LOL!!!

    • even if you were to fly them up there, they would find some way to disbelieve it.

      If we did that, I think they'd have better stuff to do than create conspiracy theories. Like figure out how to get back for one.

    • by Overzeetop ( 214511 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @04:53PM (#47968489) Journal

      Look, all you have to do is look at the stills from the recent lunar orbters when taken over several orbits in differing light. You can *clearly* see the remains of the sound stage rigging they left there when they lifted off. None of that stuff was necessary for the landing - they just shot the video with faked effects right there and came back leaving all the video gear. You can't argue with that.

  • Aren't there still those mirrors on the moon [wikipedia.org] they set up that are reflecting laser light?

    • A-ha!
      The nVidia rendering surely didn't take the reflection of these mirrors into account when rendering this "proof"!
      It is a hoax! q.e.d.

    • by ihtoit ( 3393327 )

      yep, you could do it with a college HeNe laser and a laptop. (worn that t-shirt, even had the idiot start screaming that I was about to blow up the moon when I fired the laser! (yeah, that bit on TBBT when Penny's BF expressed concern about the safety of the planet and the wisdom of firing a great green laser at the Moon, that shit happens, man)).

    • Oh, they've got that covered [youtube.com] as well.
    • This has been debunked dozens, if not hundreds, of times in many different ways. The problem is that the Moon landing conspiracy folks ignore when they're debunked or hand wave it away as just being "part of the conspiracy." You can't actually prove them wrong in their eyes so they'll continue to parrot the same, long-ago debunked "reasons why the Moon landings were faked" while the rest of us groan "not THIS again."

    • Unfortunately (er, fortunately?) the Soviets put the same laser reflectors on their unmanned rovers. Conspiracy theorist offer this as "proof" that the reflectors used during the Apollo missions were actually placed there by unmanned missions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L... [wikipedia.org]

    • Aren't there still those mirrors on the moon [wikipedia.org] they set up that are reflecting laser light?

      Denier: "It was fake. They used (wait for it) MIRRORS!"

      ... or magnets, cuz they're, like,. MAGIC!

      Both deniers and haters have two characteristics in common

      • 1. They are so far mentally invested in their world view that any evidence to the contrary must be denied at all cost.
      • 2. The more time that passes, the shriller and wider-reaching their attacks. If you keep on refusing to be a true believer, eventually it must be because YOU are part of the conspiracy.

      If a lot of them sound more than a bit pa

  • That is what the conspiracy buffs would say. So would you, if your meal ticket is selling conspiracy theories to credulous folks. They are not bound by rhyme nor logic, and they don't even care all the conspiracy theories are mutually exclusive and self contradicting. To think some argument about global light source is going to sway them is ridiculous.
  • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:43PM (#47967757)
    People such as moon landing hoaxers, 9/11 truthers etc. are so far gone that you could methodically tear down each and every one of their assertions, employing evidence, science, logic to beat it to a pulp and they'd still start right up with the first one again.
    • The problem will never be that there isn't evidence. The problem will be that their faith in the conspiracy is stronger than any "evidence" that some has. Many of them have invested so much into the conspiracy that it would destroy their world view if they had to accept the evidence. Even things that are seemingly obvious will never be accepted. ie. "We can't see stars in the photos!" can easily be answered by someone with a small amount of photography experience. Some people I know who are birthers because
      • This is the same phenomenon that keeps people sending money to the Nigerian scammers. When you've sent $10,000 to the scammers you have two choices:

        a) Admit that you were tricked and you've lost $10,000

        b) Keep believing that this is real and that this $1,000 you are sending will finally unleash millions of dollars on you.

        The deeper you get in, the harder it is to escape by picking A. Conspiracy theorists are very deep (mentally, not monetarily).

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      You forgot young earth creationists, probably the most popular conspiracy theory around. Evolution, geology, paleoclimatology, dendrochronology, astronomy, radiocarbon dating, fossil record and probably a dozen other sciences I forget all a hoax. A false flag operation by either god himself as a test of faith or the devil playing tricks, you don't have to go to the 1% nutters - who mostly lack sanity - to find total rejection of evidence, science and logic.

      • by DrXym ( 126579 )
        Young earth and old earth creationists. And holocaust deniers. And climate change deniers. They all play the same tricks - quote mining & simile abuse, nitpicking, cherry picking of facts, pseudo science etc.
    • Yup. They have a special mindset. Reminds me of a podcast of This American Life I heard a few months back:

      http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/293/a-little-bit-of-knowledge

      If you listen to Act Three, you hear this in full effect. Bob Berenz the electrician is CONVINCED he has found a problem with the understanding of physics and anyone who tries to prove otherwise is not paying attention to what he says, "doesn't get it" or is in on maintaining the "big science" status quo. The reality

  • A I recall (Score:5, Funny)

    by jetkust ( 596906 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @03:58PM (#47967909)
    The conspiracy pretty much ended when Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel in the face on camera.
    • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

      when Buzz Aldrin punched Bart Sibrel in the face on camera.

      That event was arguably better than the Eagle landing itself.

      That was one medium punch for a man, one giant leap for troll riddance.

      What some vids don't show is that Bart kept following and harassing him multiple times before the punch. Buzz would walk somewhere else to avoid him, and Bart would soon follow, sticking the Bible in his face and taunting him. If you didn't see the whole thing, it may look like Buzz was unreasonable. It shows that video

      • by sribe ( 304414 )

        What some vids don't show is that Bart kept following and harassing him multiple times before the punch. Buzz would walk somewhere else to avoid him, and Bart would soon follow, sticking the Bible in his face and taunting him. If you didn't see the whole thing, it may look like Buzz was unreasonable. It shows that video evidence can strip out context if not complete.

        There is actually more to the story than even that. Very soon after it happened, the little fuck sent out his video, in which he challenges Aldrin to swear to the truth of the moon landing, and BOOM, Aldrin punches him. But there were bystanders who also recorded the incident, and all their videos had the little fuck yelling "YOU'R A LIAR AND A COWARD AND", and BOOM, Aldrin punches him. In other words, the little fuck actually edited the video and changed what he was saying in a pathetic attempt to make Ald

  • by istartedi ( 132515 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @04:03PM (#47967961) Journal

    I've almost given up on debunking conspiracy theories. Those who believe in them, BELIEVE in them. It's like trying to debunk somebody's religion.

    • Interesting article on Conspiracy nuts; http://www.slate.com/articles/... [slate.com]

      The answer is that people who suspect conspiracies aren’t really skeptics. Like the rest of us, they’re selective doubters. They favor a worldview, which they uncritically defend. But their worldview isn’t about God, values, freedom, or equality. It’s about the omnipotence of elites.

      • Interesting indeed. They condense the conspiracy mindset into "motivated skepticism". I have recently thought of it as "jumping the gun gone full tard". I think we all jump to conclusions or fill in the blanks sometimes. The conspiracist, IMHO, just takes normal gun-jumping and blank-filling to the extreme. They hold to the positions into which they've jumped, latch onto jumps made by others, and turn it into a whole new culture. I also can't believe that a certain amount of pride doesn't come in. Te

    • I've almost given up on debunking conspiracy theories. Those who believe in them, BELIEVE in them. It's like trying to debunk somebody's religion.

      I find they eventually come around to "you're part of the conspiracy..."

    • Especially the 911 "truthers". For a portion of them, it IS about religion... or anti-Zionism, at least. It's like trying to talk a rabid dog out of having rabies.
  • scoreboard (Score:4, Insightful)

    by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @04:05PM (#47967983)
    when your opponent (Soviet Union) agrees, then you did it.
  • nVidia clearly wants to distract attention from the true flaw - shadows. Everyone knows there are no shadows in a vacuum.

    Maybe this should be posted in alt.folklore.urban?

    After all, trolling /. is only slightly harder than rec.org.mensa

  • I'm just wondering if when a society has conspiracy theorists speaking out freely, the 'tin hat' crowd, is that the sign of a healthy society or not.

    It's bad I suppose when conspiracy theorists are flat out wrong, but would a repressive government try to silence them or do repressive governments only bother suppressing people who are telling the Truth?

    Does it do harm in that when somebody really finds something bad going on people will tend to disbelieve them because of all the flakos (sort of like crying w

    • If you're talking about the Moon landing conspiracy theorists, it doesn't do much harm. Other conspiracy theorists, though can cause harm. For example, the "vaccines cause autism" folks have convinces a lot of people to skip vaccinations for fear of giving their child autism. Enough people are skipping the vaccinations that herd immunity is breaking down and we're seeing outbreaks of disease. These diseases are hurting and even killing people.* So, yes, some conspiracy theorists are harmless but others

    • I'm just wondering if when a society has conspiracy theorists speaking out freely, the 'tin hat' crowd, is that the sign of a healthy society or not.

      It's bad I suppose when conspiracy theorists are flat out wrong, but would a repressive government try to silence them or do repressive governments only bother suppressing people who are telling the Truth?

      Does it do harm in that when somebody really finds something bad going on people will tend to disbelieve them because of all the flakos (sort of like cr

  • 'We're going to debunk one of the biggest conspiracies in the world,'

    Anyone who takes this seriously is too stupid to take seriously.

  • by jfengel ( 409917 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @04:31PM (#47968261) Homepage Journal

    To me, the real lede is buried pretty deeply in the article. The light on that particular photo IS anomalous. It sounds as if the conspiracy theorists were right about that, and that's kind of astute.

    What's interesting is the resolution of the anomaly: it's light reflected off Neil Armstrong himself. Or rather, his large, bright-white suit. The NVidia guys showed that it reflects enough light to account for the lighting in the picture. If you don't include it, the lighting is off. I think that's pretty cool.

    This doesn't, of course, settle anything for the conspiracy nuts, and I fully expect this to prove only that the NASA guys were wily bastards. And that sucks, because it sounds as if the brain power they're applying might well have turned up something more interesting if it weren't fixated on achieving a delusional result.

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      I fully expect this to prove only that the NASA guys were wily bastards.

      Yes, NASA put a lot of effort into making the details perfect enough to remain convincing over four decades later. Maybe it would have been easier to put a man on the moon!

    • I'm not sure conspiracy theorists ever got that far in their reasoning. It's always seemed to be enough for them that Aldrin is lit at all, because as we all know, light doesn't reflect in a vacuum. Or it only reflects once. Or something.

  • Whatever the issue - moon landing, anti-vaxers, Kenyan President. climate change... the deniers will deny.
    Science will not change their minds. Evidence will not change their minds. Nothing will.

    Ignore them and move on.

  • by Kittenman ( 971447 ) on Monday September 22, 2014 @07:19PM (#47969729)
    My brother-in-law is a Apollo hoax believer. He challenged me once to debate the arguments for and against. I replied (quoted someone) 'You can't have a rational argument with an irrational person".

    By the way, he's also into water divining... but that doesn't always work, for some reason. Now, there's a thing...


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