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No RIF'd Employees Need Apply For Microsoft External Staff Jobs For 6 Months 282

theodp (442580) writes So, what does Microsoft do for an encore after laying off 18,000 employees with a hilariously bad memo? Issue another bad memo — Changes to Microsoft Network and Building Access for External Staff — "to introduce a new policy [retroactive to July 1] that will better protect our Microsoft IP and confidential information." How so? "The policy change affects [only] US-based external staff (including Agency Temporaries, Vendors and Business Guests)," Microsoft adds, "and limits their access to Microsoft buildings and the Microsoft corporate network to a period of 18 months, with a required six-month break before access may be granted again." Suppose Microsoft feels that's where the NSA went wrong with Edward Snowden? And if any soon-to-be-terminated Microsoft employees hope to latch on to a job with a Microsoft external vendor to keep their income flowing, they best think again. "Any Microsoft employee who separated from Microsoft on or after July 1, 2014," the kick-em-while-they're-down memo explains, "will be required to take a minimum 6-month break from access between the day the employee separates from Microsoft and the date when the former employee may begin an assignment as an External Staff performing services for Microsoft." Likely not just to prevent leaks, but also to prevent any contractors from being reclassified as employees.
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No RIF'd Employees Need Apply For Microsoft External Staff Jobs For 6 Months

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  • by rossdee ( 243626 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:20PM (#47504983)

    And wondered was M$ chipping their employees now

  • by Ritz_Just_Ritz ( 883997 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:22PM (#47504993)

    For those needing another reason not to purchase Microsoft products...they just fired 18,000 people but are lobbying the government for an ever increasing number of wage slaves from India and other countries. They can hire these poor saps at lower salaries, bully them into working long hours for no additional pay (it's that bad 'ol offshore middleman that's blamed for the sweatshop hours) while backhanding profits to cronies in these offshore companies. Meanwhile, they whine that they can't find any qualified local staff. Actually, they just can't find local staff willing to work for third world salaries while living with first world expenses and taxes. Just say no.

  • by Cryacin ( 657549 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:30PM (#47505009)
    It's just the new strategy to right-size, right-shore and right-fit. In laymans terms, fire employees like crazy, and then complain that there are no qualified engineers available as they can't find any (because they can't rehire the ones they fired*) to fill the void, so more H1B visas are critically needed in the IT sector.

    * Omitted from congressional declaration
  • by gabereiser ( 1662967 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:33PM (#47505015)
    omg this ^. This is all about H1B visas after congress blocked their request for more amidst layoffs. Screw microsoft and the products they produce. They can die a slow painful death and rid us of their filth forever (I'm looking at you Windows Tablets...)
  • Stephen Elop... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gwstuff ( 2067112 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:35PM (#47505019)

    ...seems to be a great reason not to work for MS. He and Microsoft took one of the finest companies in the world, turned it inside out, and devoured it like a panic-stricken predator conscious that the end of the path it was on was in sight. Unfortunately for Microsoft, the acquisition of Nokia only bought time. When you rip open the goose that lays the golden eggs, it stops working.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:41PM (#47505043)

    Because you just got kicked to the curb and now you can't find work elsewhere?

  • by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @10:55PM (#47505085)

    ...the people who were laid off could not apply for 5 months.

    Why would you apply to work for the same company that just kicked you to the curb? I'd tell 'em to go to hell.

    Never let pride get in the way of sound business sense. If my options were working the grill at Arbies or Microsoft, the next words out of my mouth would be "Yes Mr Balmer, laying off all us slackers really taught us a lesson sir. Would you like me to buff all your golf clubs now?"

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 21, 2014 @11:02PM (#47505123)

    You think you even have the option of working at Arby's? The manager will laugh in your face before telling you to get the fuck out.

  • Re:Not about leaks (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @11:07PM (#47505141)

    It's simple, you hire people to do the jobs that need getting done.

    We, the employees are largely to blame though. I work with a lot of contractors that love their flexibility and how great it is... until the market takes a crap on their heads. Tech workers need to stop pretending like they'll be 18 forever. I know when things get bad you can hide in the basement and play wow until they pick back up, but really? Wouldn't it be better to just work a normal job and not have to screw around like that?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 21, 2014 @11:30PM (#47505199)

    Well, at least when all work is outsorced or automated away, there wont be anyone to actually buy the products. but plenty of desperate people with no income and a nice rich Redmond to loot...

  • by blackiner ( 2787381 ) on Monday July 21, 2014 @11:33PM (#47505213)
    This sort of mentality is precisely what is wrong with the country. Companies no longer invest in their country, in their local community. They instead see people as things to hire and fire at a whim, solely to suit their current needs. This of course leads them to go to great lengths creating 'education' reforms, and 'immigration' reforms, their way of creating more labor that they can exploit at will. Jobs get offshored, wages go down, companies no longer invest in employees, no longer train employees, and the nation's people suffer. Just look at our rising unemployment and lowering standard of living, the people are no longer being empowered, and general morale plummets. The end goal of modern corporate America is quite simple, really: The complete and utter commoditization of humanity.
  • by Penguinisto ( 415985 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2014 @12:00AM (#47505289) Journal

    This is simple business 101, and there's no reason to take it personally. Of course Microsoft is going to do what's best for Microsoft. They do not owe you a job, or a 6-figure paycheck.

    ...and we don't owe Microsoft our patronage - it works both ways, which is what GP was calling out.

  • by jopsen ( 885607 ) <jopsen@gmail.com> on Tuesday July 22, 2014 @12:04AM (#47505303) Homepage

    Microsoft employees aren't good at anything but being Microsoft employees. They're just not qualified to do anything else.

    That's funny... but I doubt it's true. Many MS employees provides support or work on projects for other companies... And they will surely be in demand, you're basically giving up highly qualified Microsoft experts.


    While I personally, would like to avoid touching Microsoft services and products, let's just admit they are a giant, and other companies will continue to rely on Microsoft products. Just, think of the all the share-point plugins and what not...

  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2014 @12:29AM (#47505401) Journal

    can die a slow painful death and rid us of their filth forever

    Hold on, as much as Microsoft has ticked me off for 3+ decades, I don't want to see Google with a monopoly either. MS kind of keeps them in check.

    So let's compromise, and watch MS get punched in the face a few times, okay 50 times, but not knocked out, just wobbly.

  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Tuesday July 22, 2014 @06:49AM (#47506377) Journal
    And that said, I'm still fucking pissed that my state labor regulator basically told me I wasn't a contractor and had no right to negotiate a contract like that, and basically scared me into not being able to help them in the future.

    When the state steps in on contractor-vs-employee issues, they have no authority to do anything to you-the-contractor. They can only punish the company by making them retroactively pay your portion of payroll taxes. "Labor regulator" doesn't actually mean they regulate the laborers, it means they regulate employers. You can negotiate any contract you damned well want - Whether the employer can get away with it? Not your problem, so sleep well, friend! Worst case, you end up owing 10k less in taxes. How awful, right?

    If you really want to worry about it, you can either work through a contracting agency (aka "give them a cut"), or just make sure you having more than one client at a time, and the whole issue becomes moot. This only comes up when you contract directly with a single client for long stretches. FWIW, my employer actually has a standing agreement with a local outsourcing agency for exactly this purpose - If we need someone back for a few weeks, they sign up with the token shell-temp-agency and get "placed" with us. I honestly don't know how well that arrangement would hold up in court, but again, who cares - not the contractors who have the potential to get screwed here.

    None of that relates to the present situation, however - Microsoft's layoff memo spells it out pretty clearly: "We expect to focus phone production mainly in Hanoi, with some production to continue in Beijing and Dongguan. We plan to shift other Microsoft manufacturing and repair operations to Manaus and Reynosa respectively, and start a phased exit from Komaron, Hungary". Microsoft has too many highly paid Western workers, and needs more 3rd-world slaves. Simple as that, really.

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