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Software Uses Almost 1/2 the Storage On 32GB Surface Tablet 471

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First time accepted submitter jigamo writes "Microsoft's newly released Surface tablets are available in 32 and 64 GB capacities. The company has disclosed how much of that space is available to the user. After taking into account Windows RT, Microsoft Office, built-in apps, and Windows recovery tools, nearly 13 GB of the available space is eliminated from user accessible storage. Microsoft's recommendations for adding additional capacity are to use cloud storage, a memory card, or a USB storage device."
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Software Uses Almost 1/2 the Storage On 32GB Surface Tablet

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  • Re:Registry Editor (Score:5, Informative)

    by wonkey_monkey (2592601) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:02PM (#41886867) Homepage

    It's supposed to be a freakin tablet.

    Which is a freakin' computer running a freakin' operating system.

  • by Stewie241 (1035724) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:09PM (#41886973)

    There are options if you want unlimited Internet in Canada. Fewer or greater depending on where you live. They do tend not to be the mainstream carriers though. Fortunately, I happen to live in a small area serviced by a cable provider that offers unlimited.

  • Re:Its windows (Score:5, Informative)

    by tuppe666 (904118) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:09PM (#41886981)

    What did you expect? Of course to be fair, if you install a *full* version of the average desktop linux ( or bsd ) distribution you get tons of stuff by default too. Most of it you dont want.

    But still, for a tablet product they should have gone out of their way not to just toss crap onto it. Space is not cheap, like it is on a desktop.

    Idiots.

    Calling other people idiots doesn't make them so. As for your comparison with a Linux Desktop with a healthy selection of Apps I am running at 7GB after many months. I suspect a fresh install would require much less. Ubuntu for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [ubuntu.com] suggests 5GB.

  • .NET (Score:3, Informative)

    by Hentes (2461350) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:15PM (#41887059)

    is like 4GB alone. They need to get rid of the bloat if they are serious about mobile/tablet.

  • by im_thatoneguy (819432) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:19PM (#41887105)

    Yeah but you can just pop in an SDXC mini-SD card for $50 have have another 64GB for music/movies which is what fills a device.

    The 32GB is essentially a system and application drive. And since it's Windows RT I doubt most applications will be larger than 100MB. So from a functional standpoint that leaves space for 20GB * (1000/100) = 200 applications at least. More likely most applications are around 10MB.

  • by Nalez (556446) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:33PM (#41887269) Homepage
    It is great that the surface has a micro-sd card, but it suffers the same issues that the android platform has, which is that you can NOT install apps on the micro-sd card [microsoft-news.com]. For comparison, both IOS 6 and Jelly Bean are around 2gb in size.
  • Re:13GB? (Score:4, Informative)

    by godawful (84526) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:41PM (#41887357)

    Just checked my 16GB iPhone 5 running iOS 6.0.1, 13.47 gigs of available space.

  • I RTFA (Score:5, Informative)

    by viperidaenz (2515578) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:41PM (#41887359)
    Windows RT+Office+Apps is 8GB, not 13GB.
    5GB is a recovery partition.
    3GB is lost* due to 32GB drive = ~32,000,000,000 bytes. System reports that as 29GiB.

    * The advertised local disk size is shown using the decimal system, while Windows displays the disk size using the binary system. As a result, 1 GB (in decimal) appears as about 0.93 GB (in binary). The storage capacity is the same, it's just shown differently depending on the how you measure a GB (decimal or binary).

  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Monday November 05, 2012 @06:52PM (#41887463)

    And how much is it to add an additional 32gb or 64gb to your iPad if you hit your storage limit?

    You swap some data out to external storage, just as Microsoft recommends.

    $20 or $49 like the Surface or more?

    You can't put apps onto external media on the Surface either.

  • Re:13GB? (Score:5, Informative)

    by guttentag (313541) on Monday November 05, 2012 @07:30PM (#41887873) Journal
    iOS reserves 1.5GB for the system partition, and OS uses 800 MB of that. [wikipedia.org] (see paragraph four)

    When the retina iPad was introduced, Pages went from 95MB to 269MB, and Numbers went from 109MB to 283MB. [cnet.com]

    Keynote currently clocks in at 286MB. [appshopper.com]

    Realistically, that means the OS and productivity suite (if you need the whole thing... most people will have no use for Keynote unless they're actually giving presentations) are taking 2.3GB away from your usable space. That's 14% on a 16GB iPad, 7% on a 32GB, or roughly 4% of a 64GB model.

    With Windows NT, the NT stood for New Technology. [wikipedia.org] Perhaps the RT in Windows RT stands for Retaining-water [wikipedia.org] Technology.
  • Recovery partition? (Score:5, Informative)

    by cbhacking (979169) <been_out_cruising-slashdot&yahoo,com> on Monday November 05, 2012 @07:39PM (#41887963) Homepage Journal

    The Surface comes partitioned with a 3.5GB recovery partition, which can fully reset the device including drivers, OS updates, full volume encryption + losing the recovery key, and people running amok with Admin permissions (assuming they don't mess with the recovery volume itself). The iPad, last I checked, still required the use of a real PC if something goes drastically wrong and it needs resetting. It can handle typical reset scenarios just fine, but can't be used to downgrade (or so I'm told; that may be wrong). I don't know if the iPad even supports installable drivers, either (although on the Surface RT, they must be signed by MS so hopefully not *too* much harm would occur from them).

    The Surface also comes with the standard suite of Windows admin tools, including the Management Console and the Disk Management snap-in for it. You can modify the partitions if you want to. You could even back up the recovery volume to a USB storage device or NAS (the device supports booting from USB, not sure about NAS) and then remove the recovery partition and extend the main volume to fill its space. You can also mount a removable storage device, such as a microSD card or USB Mass Storage volume, into the root filesystem. Can an iPad do anything like that?

  • by Karlt1 (231423) on Monday November 05, 2012 @08:03PM (#41888211)

    "The iPad, last I checked, still required the use of a real PC if something goes drastically wrong and it needs resetting."

    You can completely erase your iPad and restore apps, data, and the OS from iCloud -- no PC required. Even if you lose your iPad, you can just log in with your iTunes account from a brand new iPad and all of your apps, settings, even icon positions are restored from iCloud -- no PC required.

    "The Surface also comes with the standard suite of Windows admin tools, including the Management Console and the Disk Management snap-in for it. You can modify the partitions if you want to. You could even back up the recovery volume to a USB storage device or NAS (the device supports booting from USB, not sure about NAS) and then remove the recovery partition and extend the main volume to fill its space. You can also mount a removable storage device, such as a microSD card or USB Mass Storage volume, into the root filesystem. Can an iPad do anything like that?"

    Are you referring to the ARM version (the one referenced in the article or the x86 version?

  • by guttentag (313541) on Monday November 05, 2012 @09:05PM (#41888791) Journal

    What kind of application collection takes up 16 GB, other than a bunch of hardcore games?

    Navigation apps. Navigon's app is several gigabytes once you download the maps, the 3D terrain data, the POI data, etc.

    Topographical apps. Several gigabytes.

    Why would someone put both nav and topo maps on their tablet? Every couple months I attach my iPad to my dash (large-screen turn-by-turn GPS), drive to a different destination in another state, throw the iPad in my backpack and go hiking in a place where there are no cell-towers (hence the topographical apps).

  • by Kielistic (1273232) on Tuesday November 06, 2012 @01:00AM (#41890411)

    You might be OK misleading people even in jest; I am not. I want people to know how things work so they can intelligently decide between devices.

    You say that but your post history shows the opposite. You clearly aim to mislead people when you say the iPad supports expandable storage. You are always sure to fully articulate any shortcoming in another product:

    No you cannot just forget about it. You can't put applications on it. You have to remember to save media to it separately.

    You cannot do that on an iPad so this is not a pro/con list between the two devices. Neither do this. Nor does it change the fact that once my SD card is in the device I can forget about it.
    You always overlook the shortcomings of any Apple implementation:

    You swap some data out to external storage, just as Microsoft recommends.

    You already know for a fact Microsoft does not recommend you buy a dongle so you can temporarily plug in an SD card. If it was the other way around and Microsoft's tablet required a dongle we both know you would be proclaiming how terrible of an experience that is.

    The only time such expansion really matters is for something like a long trip with spotty access to data connections, so in the end that difference does not really matter much.

    Just plain false. Cell data is expensive (and only available on a small percentage of tablets) and wifi is in no way ubiquitous enough in most of the world to make "the cloud" a viable alternative to local storage.

Stellar rays prove fibbing never pays. Embezzlement is another matter.

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