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An anonymous reader writes "Even since the current world's tallest builing — the Burj Khalifa in Dubai — was completed, there has been a constant battle to build the world's next tallest building. The current record holder stands tall at 828 meters and took five years to build, but a Chinese company called Broad Sustainable Building aims to smash that record by building the 838 meter Sky City tower, in Changsa, China in a mere 90 days. BSB plans to use prefab building techniques to construct the tower in record time."
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Chinese Firms Claims It Can Build World's Tallest Tower in 90 Days

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:13AM (#40367457)

    Absolutely nothing can go wrong....

      • by mwvdlee (775178) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:15AM (#40367659) Homepage

        Wonder who's now living in the identical buildings next to it.

        • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:44AM (#40368039)

          Am I the only one feeling a bit uneasy about this thread? Some Chinese construction projects are underfunded and of poor quality, therefore all Chinese buildings are crap? Some Chinese products are rip-off of foreign products, therefore all Chinese tech is copied? All Chinamen talk funny therefore all Chinamen dumb?

          Maybe I'm just reading too much into it. In this specific case we simply don't know enough about it to come to any conclusion. Occasionally Boeing or Airbus aircraft crash due to shoddy constructing, faulty equipment (that they knew was faulty), improper maintenance due to the airline being cheap and so forth. In that case we look at the nature of the problem and decide if the entire fleet is at risk, and if not happily get on the next flight of an identical aircraft flying a near identical route. Blanket assumptions about all EU/US products do not follow.

          • by SerpentMage (13390) <ChristianHGross&yahoo,ca> on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:51AM (#40368075)

            You sir are incredibly insightful. I researched this company and this topic. In the local paper they described how this company managed to build a 15 floor building in 15 days! Yes 15 days!

            The reason why this company can do what it can is because it builds these buildings using a pre-fab approach. North American's, and Europeans partially are not yet used to prefab houses. In Europe it is slowly trickling in, but nobody wants them to be built because they seriously undercut the housing lobby. Take for Ikea homes. Yes Ikea sells homes, using this method. They are cheaper than any other home. Look at this Ikea home for 86 K, which includes everything in the inside as well.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108775/Ikea-launches-80-000-flat-pack-DIY-house.html [dailymail.co.uk]

            It is hard to beat with all appliances and furniture of 86K. Now is it the final dream? No not really since Ikea is just partnering with a prefab company. BUT imagine if the Chinese managed to put it all together like this company. Then the west has serious issues!!!

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by zippthorne (748122)

              You are comparing the price of the *building* to the price of what? An entire lot with a home built on it? The lot is the expensive part!

            • by Loughla (2531696)

              North American's, and Europeans partially are not yet used to prefab houses.

              What? If you have been anywhere outside of suburbia, manufactured homes (pre-fabricated homes) are abundant in the US. A local manufactured house maker has one listed at roughly the same square footage as the IKEA one (IKEA = 742 sq. ft., Local = 768 sq. ft.) for MUCH less. The IKEA is $116 per square foot. The local is $56 per square foot. That includes kitchen and two bathroom appliances, bedroom furniture, washer/dryer, and water heater. That's a difference of around $60 per square foot for beds and trin

            • by LurkerXXX (667952)

              It looks just like a mobile home minus the wheels. You can buy one with applienaces and furniture easily for under 86k.

            • by MightyYar (622222)

              North American's, and Europeans partially are not yet used to prefab houses.

              Hey, don't lump us N. Americans in with the Europeans! We love us some trailer park! If you don't believe me, just watch any tornado report.

            • by whargoul (932206)
              It's a 53 x 14 single wide for 86k? No thanks. Nothing extraordinary there...except the high price.

              Land and all included with comparable price.
              http://www.palmharbor.com/our-homes/movein-ready-homes/sr-movein-ready/mir-127352-2-0-REO/ [palmharbor.com]
            • by GreatBunzinni (642500) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @09:15AM (#40368795)

              I happen to be in structural engineering, and I have to say that you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'll tell you why.

              Nowadays, and for a couple of decades now, there isn't a single european contractor who does not rely on prefabrication. Concrete structures tend to make this a bit harder to pull, but their building cost is so much lower than steel structures that the extra time spent on a project easily offsets costs. Even then, there are quite a number of prefab structural elements and modules, such as pre-slabs and composite slabs with profile steel sheeting, that help out a lot. With steel structures, even with composite slabs, it's quite easy to put up high numbers of floors in a limited number of days. The only limit that affects this is how fast you can hoist the beam and column elements, and how fast your crew is able to set the necessary connections.

              I suspect that in the US it's even more widespread. There are companies which even put together factories to assemble entire houses in assembly lines, and steel construction is much more widespread than concrete.

              So, your comment on the use of prefab techniques is obviously bullshit.

              Then, regarding your conspiracy theory, it is once again bullshit. To start off, as any product on earth, housing prices aren't defined by construction costs, but only on what clients are willing to spend on them. Meanwhile, construction costs, with today's technology, basically depends only on what finishings the client wishes. As a demonstration, you claimed that 86k is such a great deal. Yet, that's the price Ikea asks for a tiny apartment with an area of about 70mÂ. This represents a unit cost of about 1228â/mÂ, and this without accounting for the price of the property and any licenses and services which are needed to build it. Knowing this, do you actually know what's the average unit cost for building a similar house on a property, including the price of the property itself? Between 500â/m and 900â/mÂ.

              In other words, your example costs at least twice as much to build than a regular house.

              So, at least take your tinfoil hat off once in a while. The world isn't set out to get you.

            • by JDG1980 (2438906)

              Take for Ikea homes. Yes Ikea sells homes, using this method. They are cheaper than any other home. Look at this Ikea home for 86 K, which includes everything in the inside as well.

              That won't sell well in the US. People in America hear "prefab home" and they think "double-wide". And the form factor of that Ikea house doesn't help any: the thing even looks like a double-wide. Not to mention that most parts of the US are dealing with a large volume of foreclosures. Where I live, there are a lot of houses ch

          • by realityimpaired (1668397) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:53AM (#40368087)

            Am I the only one feeling a bit uneasy about this thread? Some Chinese construction projects are underfunded and of poor quality, therefore all Chinese buildings are crap? Some Chinese products are rip-off of foreign products, therefore all Chinese tech is copied? All Chinamen talk funny therefore all Chinamen dumb?

            That's not it at all... what's making people uneasy about this construction project is that we have a firm claiming they can do, in 90 days, what has traditionally taken many years. While I'm very willing to accept that they can find efficiencies in the process, it's a bit much.

          • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @08:09AM (#40368177)

            Hi, Mainland Chinese person here.

            I lived a decade of my life in China, and go back there every few years. The real problem is that human life in China is not valued. Nobody feels responsible if a building falls over. It's bad if it gets international attention, not that lives were destroyed. People cut corners, bribe officials, anything to maximize profit.

          • by Registered Coward v2 (447531) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @08:09AM (#40368187)

            Am I the only one feeling a bit uneasy about this thread? Some Chinese construction projects are underfunded and of poor quality, therefore all Chinese buildings are crap? Some Chinese products are rip-off of foreign products, therefore all Chinese tech is copied? All Chinamen talk funny therefore all Chinamen dumb?

            What concerns me is that an artificial deadline has been imposed for completing a very ambitious project. When a deadline is set, it creates, in many cases, a very strong tendency to meet the deadline, even if it means cutting corners. Combine that with a culture where face is very important and you have a potentially dangerous combination. Non of which is unique to China, universal for all of China; nor not prevalent in many other countries around the world.

            Or, as we used to put it when building industrial sites - "We offer good, fast, and cheap options. Pick the two you want."

          • by catmistake (814204) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @09:14AM (#40368785) Journal

            All Chinamen talk funny therefore all Chinamen dumb?

            What the fuck are you talking about? The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. Across this line, you DO NOT... Also, Dude, chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.

          • Would you feel safe in a building of that size that was slapped together in 90 days?

            I know I wouldn't no matter who built it.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:13AM (#40367459)

    P90X for architecture?

  • Misleading headline is misleading.

    • by abhisri (960175)

      Only misleading part is that it will actually last only 9 days. China quality. Exploding toilets and support pillars stuffed with trash! ;)

      • by aaarrrgggh (9205)

        Hell, who needs to worry about the toilets-- how are you goin to let the foundations cure? I have seen "top-down" construction for a high rise, but you still have months of ground preparation to bore through the basement levels to solid rock. The math seems to check out though-- the unimaginitive design should be very efficient to build.

        Would be interesting to watch though. Presumably they would lift two-story modules.

  • Jenga! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Torvac (691504) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:21AM (#40367479)
    -nt-
  • kinda cheating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by smash (1351) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:23AM (#40367487) Homepage Journal
    If you pre-fab everything on the ground then its not really "building", more like "assembling".
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Same as using libraries instead of writing everything from scratch is cheating right?

      • Re:kinda cheating (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:39AM (#40367529)

        No. In civil engineerimng they do something alien called "design" where they spend most of their time. Moving the steel beams around to find where it fits, during construction, is uniquely computer science.

        • by mikael_j (106439) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:01AM (#40367839)

          That's because people who order a skyscraper to be built don't call those contracted to design and build it halfway through construction to tell them "Oh yeah, it needs to fly and also double as a ship and a subway station" (which is later clarified to "we need a helipad in the lobby" which itself is finally clarified three months after the deadline, what they meant was "we'd like to make sure there's a second entrance near the 14th street bus stop so employees don't have to walk around the building to get in". Of course, for this to be like software development after each of these change requests they would also demand that work immediately begin on converting the building to the new specs so that by the time it's finished it has wings sticking out from the 12th floor, the basement has a subway tunnel with a large propeller in it and the front desk is placed inside a large hangar).

          • Re:kinda cheating (Score:5, Insightful)

            by MartinSchou (1360093) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:44AM (#40368043)

            So what you're saying is, that people in construction know how to make proper contracts?

            I've actually done software development for and with engineering companies, and the ones I've worked with had a very interesting view on deadlines - they'd rather things work before being put to use, to the point that they'd move the deadline.

            Hell, I got my ass chewed off for working overtime to finish a project on time. My boss (an engineer by trade and education) had taken my project estimation and essentially tripled it before sending it to the client. He wasn't upset that my estimation was off, he was upset that I didn't have the balls to come up and say "hey, there's a problem with this, and I can't make it on time".

            It's amazing to work with those kinds of people. The kind of people that will make it abundantly clear, that the client gets what they paid for, and what they paid for is in the specifications.

            THAT is the biggest problem with IT. Everybody being to scared to say no. Write the specification with the client, get their signature on it. Do not deviate without renegotiating EVERYTHING, including payment and deadlines.

        • Re:kinda cheating (Score:5, Informative)

          by MichaelJ (140077) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:05AM (#40367859)

          Civil engineers are also held legally responsible and liable if there's a problem, and it should never, ever, fail or fall down outside of extraordinary circumstances. Unlike software which warrants left and right that there is no warranty and if you're lucky you'll get a patch with a bug fix.

          Or compare the licensing requirements:
          Civil Engineering: get a degree, pass the Fundamentals of Engineering, optionally get another degree, work professionally for a number of years, apply to take the PE exam, take the 8-hour PE exam, if you're lucky enough to pass (most don't), you now have your Professional Engineering license in that state (only) and can sign/stamp documents and plans.

          Software Engineering: n/a

          • by Evtim (1022085) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:21AM (#40367937)

            Three engineers were arguing about God.
            God is a mechanical engineer, says one (who is, of course, himself mechanical engineer). Just look at the muscles and bones. What symphony of precision, the seamless work of joints, bones, muscles, sinews. A beauty to behold!
            No, no, says the other, God is an electrical/electronics engineer. Just look at the nervous system – the myriad feedback and forward loops, the firing of the neurons in the brainenough said.
            Chaps, you are both wrong, says the third. God is a civil engineer. Only civil engineer would put a drainpipe in the middle of a recreational area

          • Not to mention that in China if the building collapsed afterwards those responsible would most likely be shot.

          • Software Engineering: n/a

            The problem is that most states (and countries for that matter) aren't exactly in a rush to provide some sort of licensing process for software engineers either. IEEE has been working on a Principles and Practices Exam [ieee.org] but until the state boards actually update their procedures to recognize software engineers and mandate some sort of license for critical systems development it is unlikely to gain much traction.

      • Re:kinda cheating (Score:4, Insightful)

        by azalin (67640) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:48AM (#40367551)
        No, but claiming "the programming was done in one week" when you are actually only compiling it and had 2 years in advance to write the libraries and the documentation. It's still a feat when you have to do all the debugging and testing, but not as impressive as the claim tries to make it sound like.
        I'll be watching it with interest but probably from a distance of 838+|x| meters.
        • I say it depends on what those libraries, etc., are. I mean, what if we think of the prefab parts as analogous to the software that an open-source developer builds upon? Do we then say that the shiny new program took not just one Summer of Code but three decades starting from the day RMS established the Free Software Foundation?

          BTW the collateral damage from a collapse is likely to be less than 838 m. Since the design is presumably modular rather than monolithic, shouldn't it fall more like childrens' bloc

          • I say it depends on what those libraries, etc., are.

            Exactly. If you boast that you created a web browser in a weekend, but all you did was make a WebKit wrapper (prefab big building elements), is a whole lot story if the your modules are something like "iostream" (nails, 2x4 planks...).

          • by azalin (67640)

            BTW the collateral damage from a collapse is likely to be less than 838 m. Since the design is presumably modular rather than monolithic, shouldn't it fall more like childrens' blocks than like a wine bottle?

            You are probably right, but as I will probably not be in China during the time of construction, the value of x will probably reduce the difference to a rounding error anyhow.

        • by Joce640k (829181)

          No, but claiming "the programming was done in one week" when you are actually only compiling it and had 2 years in advance to write the libraries and the documentation. It's still a feat when you have to do all the debugging and testing, but not as impressive as the claim tries to make it sound like.

          It's a mashup?

      • Re:kinda cheating (Score:4, Interesting)

        by atrizzah (532135) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:58AM (#40367831)
        In this case, I'm pretty sure that most of the pre-fabbed parts are specific to this particular building. So the manufacturing time of the pre-fabbed blocks should be considered in the total building time. A lot of software projects have components that are developed as libraries specifically for the project. These certainly would be counted in the development time. That being said, 90 days to assemble the tallest building in the world is still hugely impressive.
        • by msauve (701917)
          Do you also count the time it takes the trees to grow for the lumber? Mountains to erode into clay for the bricks? Stars to fuse hydrogen into iron for the girders?
    • by outsider007 (115534) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:27AM (#40367497)

      Back in my day we smelted our own ore. And we liked it!

    • Re:kinda cheating (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ThatsMyNick (2004126) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:30AM (#40367505)

      This how any high rise is build. It is definitely not cheating.

    • Taking that logic to it's conclusion, if that building contains any wood they have to factor in the decades it took for those trees to grow. Erecting a building is always a process of assembly of prefabricated elements. You don't sit up some scaffolding baking bricks, laying them as they cool.
      • Of course, but there is still big difference in the size and complexity of the modules. You just have to decide where to draw the line and define what counts as "cheating" and what doesn't.

        Ok, if you wanted to go hardcore, I guess you could have a definition where you are not allowed to bring two or more materials attached to each other to the construction site, no pre-treatment of materials (shortening, painting...) and something like that.

      • by w_dragon (1802458)
        No, that would be an idiotic conclusion. The wood could be used anywhere, even once it's cut it is just a commodity good. A prefabbed room would be the same if there were a lot of towers using identical rooms and they all just put in orders for how many they need, but that isn't the case. The rooms are almost certainly being made specifically for this tower, there is probably no other use for them, which means they should be included in the build time for the tower.
    • If you can make buildings at the rate they claim with preparation and modular techniques it should make it simple to recover after catastrophes as well. From housing to hospitals.

      Create a few universal designs. Store modular components in select locations around the world under the management of the UN or such. Then when disaster strikes; like an earthquake/typhoon/hurricane; and housing or such is needed the items could be shipped. I am not saying it would be easy, but it should be doable and now on a larg

      • by vivian (156520) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:22AM (#40367693)

        At a claimed cost of 628,000,000,000 and supposedly being able to house 100,000, it's a bargain too - only 6280 per person. Here in Aus, housing costs somewhere between 50,000 to about 100,000 per person for housing. (Roughly 100000 per bedroom room for a house, on average.)

        • The cost of construction work, nowadays, is defined by labour wages, not the cost of building materials. Hence, obviously it is more expensive to build something in Australia, resorting to australian labour, than it is to build something in China, resorting to chinese labour.

          And let's not even go into the issue of costs introduced by adhering to building and safety regulations.

    • If you pre-fab everything on the ground then its not really "building", more like "assembling".

      If you believe that nonsense then I have news for you: the entire construction industry has been "kinda cheating" for decades now. With steel structures, every single structural element is prefabricated somewhere and only assembled in situ. This is even the case with large projects, such as concrete bridges. Nowadays, there are a hand full of different building techniques which rely on the prefabrication of st

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:26AM (#40367495)

    While it may have taken more than 90 days to build the Empire State Building, the same pre-fab techniques such as off-site fabrication and on-site assembly were used to build that monument to the American spirit.

    Everyone scoffs at the Chinese when they boast like this, but there really isn't any particular problem with what they are proposing. Given enough lead time and sufficient raw materials, they should be able to assemble a world-record building in the timeframe specified. Naturally, some leeway may be necessary to account for weather, but other than that, good luck to them.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by DNS-and-BIND (461968)
      The difference is the Empire State Building is still here decades later. This building will be moldering and falling apart five years hence. I've seen Chinese buildings built while I was in China, moved away, and then come back for a visit years later and was shocked at the deterioration.
    • by jamesh (87723)

      In Australia it would take more than 90 days just to get planning approval.

  • progress (Score:4, Interesting)

    by roman_mir (125474) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:38AM (#40367525) Homepage Journal

    Well, from raising a 30 story building in 360 hours [slashdot.org] to erecting an 830 meter tower in 90 days... why not? Sure they can do it, that's what happens in free markets - innovation and competition.

    • by azalin (67640)
      Free markets? In China? *cough*
      • Re:progress (Score:5, Insightful)

        by roman_mir (125474) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:40AM (#40367765) Homepage Journal

        Of-course, China has much freer market than almost anybody else on the planet, all the businesses that are there, all the people, who moved their investment capital there, all the companies that produce there, you think they are there because China is communist? China is a communist like I am a ballerina.

        Also, China to USA is what Germany is to Greece, except Greece cannot print money and USA can, but the rest of the relationship is the same, USA needs China much more than China needs USA. [slashdot.org] Here is one of debates on this [fora.tv], the people in the audience don't understand it and don't want to hear about it (no surprise, so many are Chinese expatriates)

        • by azalin (67640)
          I do know that China's economy is as close to communism as Hawaii is a sovereign nation. On the other hand China's government does heavily subsides some industries, controls imports, and has rather tight and sometimes selective rules on who is allowed to set up business and how. This is especially true for foreign companies trying to sell finished products in China. China is a strongly "guided" economy which openly favors and supports key local industries. None of that constitutes communism, but neither doe
        • Also, China to USA is what Germany is to Greece, except Greece cannot print money and USA can, but the rest of the relationship is the same, USA needs China much more than China needs USA.

          Actually, the two economies are intertwines theta both need each other. China needs a market for it's goods and a stable place to invest; the US likes cheap goods and the capital influx. While we have a large debt to China, sovereign debt is actually very fungible; even if the consequences of are severe. The US could, with a vote and stroke of the pen, wipe out or some all of its debt to China. Not likely, but it's not without precedent. Inflation could do the same. End the end, we really are prisoners of e

  • Foundations? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Is that "90 days from foundations" or "90 days from turf"? The concept art shows quite a fat design with a lot of mass, which in turn needs a good foundation (or the tower won't last for 90 days). And good foundations need time for the concrete to settle.

    Imagine - this beasts' foundations dive on one side once the scyscraper is done (or nearly done). I wonder what the chinese equivalent to the warning shout "TIMBER" is...

  • by DeathToBill (601486) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @05:58AM (#40367589) Journal

    ... they ALL say it'll be done in 90 days. Right up to 11:30 on the 89th day, when realistically there is still six years of work to do, they'll still insist it'll be done in the next 30 minutes.

    We have people fly half way around the world to work on projects. "Will you be ready for us?" we ask as we get on the plane. "Yes!" comes the resounding response. We arrive, discover the project is nowhere near ready, go home again, come back in anywhere from eight weeks to two years when it's actually ready and charge them a hefty chunk of cash for the inconvenience.

    Wildly unrealistic schedules and dogged insistence that they're sticking to them in the face of all the evidence is the modus operandi of Chinese construction.

    • Wrong questions (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SgtChaireBourne (457691) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:26AM (#40367707) Homepage
      You are asking the wrong questions. It's a cultural thing but if you ask a question that can be answered with "yes", that's all you're going to hear. You need to ask open questions. Instead of "is it going to be done on time?, ask "how far have you gotten?" and so forth. Even then it's not guaranteed that you'll get all the info you were looking for.
      • Re:Wrong questions (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Rogerborg (306625) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:41AM (#40367773) Homepage

        It's not a "cultural thing", they're just a bunch of cutthroat bloody liars who never take responsibility for or even admit to failure, and I'm middlingly sick of hearing it excused as "culture, man, you have to understand the culture". It's just plain old deception to keep the funding coming for another month.

        IME, the only way to deal with it is to pay for fully QA'd, stamped and sealed results, not development. Apropos to this case, I'd pay for their magical tower in annual instalments after it was put up and stayed up.

      • No, it's not the culture. Sure, you do have to be aware of cultural differences when dealing with other countries, but being 5 years behind schedule is not a "cultural" issue. The situation here is just Chinese businesses being very shady and deceptive in order to get contracts. Remember, these are the same companies that fake reports about the chemical content of their products in order to bypass various regulations and contracts. Given that there's little to no oversight in China and that suing a Chin
  • Oh great! (Score:4, Informative)

    by oiron (697563) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:13AM (#40367653) Homepage

    Skyscraper index [wikipedia.org] here we come again!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @06:17AM (#40367663)

    As a structural engineer, I do not doubt at all that they are able, or anyone for that matter, to put together a prefab tower in 90 days. This is no big deal. For example, in bridge projects it's a terribly common thing to put together temporary structures assembled from tubular steel bars which are about 10-story tall, and there are pre-fabricated steel beams being marketed for this sort of temporary work which are about 20 or 24 meters tall.

    And the only reason that these temp structures aren't taller is because in bridge works after about 20 meters the valleys tend to be wide enough so that it tends to be more economical to use other building techniques, such as incremental launch.

    What I doubt is that this type of tower is economical or capable of handling the design loads for a specific region. After a certain scale, there are significant economical advantages to be had by optimizing structural elements, particular in steel structures, and "one size fits all" make it impossible to take advantage of this. Moreover, there isn't exactly a lot of demand for temporary skyscrappers. Even in cases where a catastrophy raises the need for temporary housing and infrastructure, you don't need a 1km-tall structure to sort things out.

    My main concern is quality assessment and safety. If you are going to build a extremelly specialized and optimized structure intended to house tens of thousands people, you simply cannot rush things or cut corners on safety checks. If some bolts aren't screwed adequately, a lot of people can die. A couple of months ago there was a report on a chinese bridge being inaugurated while its safety railings weren't even bolted to the structure, which has been pointed out by a chinese engineer working on the project. If this sort of rush job is done with such a large structure, we have a calamity waiting to happen.

    • you assume the Chineese give a shit that people will die.

      There isn't good evidence for that assumption, IMHO.

  • They'll find a way to cheat, they always do.

    Reminds me of Big Fat Gypsy Wedding or Michael Carroll.

    A rich scumbag will ALWAYS be a scumbag, despite having money (or pretending to have money). It's just that the mainland Chinese and the gulf Arabs haven't gotten the memo yet.

  • Shema Yisrael! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    The Almighty will demolish that mandarin tower halfway in construction, so the han cannot scale into heaven and topple his sacred throne. He will then mix up the tongues of han people, so they will start to speak 1000 different, mutually exclusive dialects and that will be the end of the chinese empire. The jewish people will take over the entirety of the chinese land, as the Name promised the entire world to them, his chosen people.

  • by Organic Brain Damage (863655) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:19AM (#40367923)
    How do you post a Chinese translation of "Hey y'all, watch this!"?
  • Soil? (Score:4, Informative)

    by Guillaume le Btard (1773300) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:21AM (#40367935)
    I live in Shanghai and on the other side of the river in Pudong we have quite a lot of tall buildings (Jin Mao tower 420m, Oriental Perl Tower 468m, Shanghai World Financial Center 492m) so I have no doubt that the Chinese have had some 'inspiration' from western builders on how to construct a tower. But I am wondering how the soil can deal with such a rapid construction of such a tall, thus heavy, building. Where I come from, the Netherlands, we have to put in a pretty good foundation for our buildings or they will sink into the soil. I can imagine that if you want to build such a tall building you would need some more time to allow the soil to solidify more or you'll risk the building sinking...
    • We'll in the Netherlands you are on reclaimed land where the soil is soft. Where they plan to build this building there may be bedrock underneath such as in New York City but with that being said, I doubt any structure over 1000 feet can be built in 90 days at all as either way the foundation alone would probably take more time than this.

      It sounds like a 3 year project minimum.

      • There just playing loose with the term "building", what they should say is "erected"

        This is not uncommon, see the "Liberty" ships built during WW II , the "record" is like 36 hours, BUT 80% of the ship was pre-built and they just it put together.

  • by Phoenix666 (184391) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @07:30AM (#40367967)

    In beijing. The sparkly, new main train station was built in half the time normally required. 6 months later you could see daylight through the cracks in the ceiling. This is the real maoist legacy: make ridiculous claims, pretend you accomplished them, then blame running dog capitalists and rightists when it al blows up.

  • Yeah, 'cos that's just the sort of thing you want to do as absolutely fast as possible.

  • by Alomex (148003) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @08:58AM (#40368609) Homepage

    From what I know about skyscraper construction, the biggest challenge will be access to the site. There is just so much material that needs to be delivered to put up a building of that height at that pace, even if prefabricated.

    I'm aware they built a hotel in 15 days, but this building is about 300x times larger by mass and they are only giving themselves 6x more time. This means they have to work at a 50x rate as compared to the previous project.

    Conclusion: color me doubtful.

  • by bigtone78 (943249) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @09:17AM (#40368819)
    An Indian company as said that they can clean up the mess caused by the collapse of the Chinese building in only 60 days.
  • by peter303 (12292) on Tuesday June 19, 2012 @09:26AM (#40368955)
    I hope they go for quality instead of speed. China's stimulus program added thousands of miles of high speed railway. It is now the largest system in the world. But there have been some serious accidents attributed to poor quality.

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