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European Parliament Blocks Copyright Reform With 113% Voter Turnout 297

Posted by samzenpus
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New submitter mcmadman writes "In a bizarre turn of events, the legal affairs committee of the European Parliament, voted to weaken a reform of the copyright monopoly for allowing re-publication and access to orphan works. What is surprising is that the voter turnout happened to be 113%. That there were three votes too many, and that these three votes determined the outcome, was pointed out to the committee. Unfortunately, when this was done, along with formally requesting a re-vote, the re-vote was denied."
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European Parliament Blocks Copyright Reform With 113% Voter Turnout

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  • by lorinc (2470890) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:17AM (#39374619) Homepage Journal

    Or at least, a visible proof of it. Perhaps it ended long ago, but now there is no possible denial.

  • by artor3 (1344997) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:26AM (#39374661)

    This isn't some big election with millions of votes getting counted. This is 23 people in a room, 12 on one side, 11 on the other, and the eleven declaring themselves the victors while the twelve just shrug and accept it. Do the people on this committee care so little for democracy that they just blithely accept it when their opponents' imaginary friends cast ballots?

  • by Znork (31774) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:38AM (#39374703)

    This legislation would seek to prevent this and increase the overall value to humanity with NO money lost by putting them in public domain.

    As there is a vast overproduction of entertainment today the competition is for the consumers time. Thus, any material that is presented for free cuts into the revenue stream of the for-profit production companies, and even worse, entrenches the idea that entertainment might come for free.

    Remember, these companies consider basically any time spent not giving them money stealing.

  • by wvmarle (1070040) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:41AM (#39374713)

    A re-vote was requested, immediately when this discrepancy came to light. Which I may assume is the moment the results are given - it's not that hard to add up.

    This re-vote was denied however, leaving two important questions open. How come the votes were counted so wrong, with so small numbers? And why was this re-vote denied?

  • by evanism (600676) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:44AM (#39374723) Journal

    We don't have one. The Yanks don't have one, nor do the poms.

    When was the last time THE PEOPLE had a REAL VOTE on how their country worked?

    What we have is an obscene extension of the patent system extended into a politically domineering overlord system. We vote for a bunch of self interested morons to make stupendously bad decisions, rewarded richly for doing nothing or worse, followed by being given the chance to revote on our next oppressors when the previous ones fail (but only when they let us).

    This isn't democracy. As article shows, it is corrupt.

    This one billion line program has been hacked together for too many years. Too many exceptions. Time for a rewrite.

  • Re:Math (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Eraesr (1629799) on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:46AM (#39374729) Homepage
    Yeah, it's us Europeans that got it backward. really? [xs4all.nl]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 16, 2012 @02:47AM (#39374733)

    Better question: Why isn't a re-vote automatic in this kind of circumstance? Or, why is it even possible to deny a re-vote after such an obvious error? This is why politicians fail us...anyone with half a brain would implement more sensible procedures.

  • by CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) on Friday March 16, 2012 @03:52AM (#39374987)

    Anti-EU story turns out to be manufactured or grossly exaggerated. Color me surprised. If these kind of stories didn't turn out to be BS 99% of the time, I'd be a lot more concerned.

  • by IBitOBear (410965) on Friday March 16, 2012 @03:52AM (#39374989) Homepage Journal

    It's a case of who watches the watchers. When you corrupt an organization it is best done in-depth and it is most successfully done from the top.

    We "Americans" (e.g. the United States of part, but we are working diligently on spreading our scheme to the rest of America) have a system of Checks and Balances. That is it doesn't have to Balance if you can make sure nobody Checks. We use this system for nearly every purpose. It's nice to see Europe following our lead. Or perhaps they deeded it to us as some point, which doesn't matter, we will take the credit.

    As to this being the end of democracy, well you are using the wrong definition: Democracy is the means by which we ensure we are governed -no- -better- that we deserve.

    Seems to be working out pretty much "as expected" here.

  • by martin-boundary (547041) on Friday March 16, 2012 @03:53AM (#39374993)

    The bill is talking about "orphaned works" which are those works that will never again see the light of day because no owner claims them. It is likely that when the copyright expires in 70 years, with nobody to preserve them, or assign their rights to a publisher who can, these works will be completely lost to humanity.

    If you live in Europe, write to your MEP. Vote fraud is no joke.

    Who cares? If you live in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter, start scanning those books and put them up on the web. There are places like formerly library.nu [wikipedia.org] (now defunct) which will accept the scans, and replicate them. Fuck the publishers, and fuck the politicians. They can't be trusted with our human heritage.

  • by lexsird (1208192) on Friday March 16, 2012 @04:34AM (#39375121)

    You can be a democratic socialist. Democracy means basically the majority rules. If the majority is socialistic, then you will see socialistic policies in place.

    Relax Francis.

  • Re:Math (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Hentes (2461350) on Friday March 16, 2012 @04:42AM (#39375139)

    Because if the temparature is above that, it rains. If below, it snows.

  • Re:Math (Score:3, Insightful)

    by oneandoneis2 (777721) on Friday March 16, 2012 @04:46AM (#39375157) Homepage

    Seriously?

    Here's a simple one: It's winter. You have to drive somewhere. Is there likely to be ice on the roads you need to look out for? You check the thermometer.

    It's near zero centigrade = there's likely to be ice. Simple & intuitive. Whereas with fahrenheit, you actually need to remember the number which represents water freezing. More work for no gain.

  • by MysteriousPreacher (702266) on Friday March 16, 2012 @05:00AM (#39375221) Journal

    A tax or any other kind of payment would be complicated to administer. It'd require clever handling of works that are published and developed over time - such as a Wikipedia page or OpenSSH.

    With any copyright discussion, the elephant in the room has to be the length of copyright terms. Drop the terms down to far more reasonably limits and we see many such problems go away. Publishers can continue to benefit from older works, so long as they can find ways to enhance them, thus creating a derivative work that is subject to a fresh copyright term. They already do this for movies, either through adding fresh content or by remastering.

    Why we allow copyright beyond 15 years for anything at all is to me a travesty. A publisher that cannot make a reasonable return within 15 years really should think long and hard about their business model and the quality of their work.

  • Re:Math (Score:2, Insightful)

    by The Master Control P (655590) <ejkeever@NosPaM.nerdshack.com> on Friday March 16, 2012 @05:04AM (#39375235)
    You find it work to remember the zero point of the temperature system (whichever one it is) that you use every single day? Seriously? I wouldn't crow about that if it were me.

    If anything Fahrenheit is preferable because there are about 35 units between "annoyingly cold" (55) and "annoyingly warm" (90) rather than 20. Units are irrelevant anyway thanks to dimensional analysis - the only real work is calculating the exact prefactor.
  • Re:Math (Score:3, Insightful)

    by neokushan (932374) on Friday March 16, 2012 @05:49AM (#39375373)

    Celsius is directly related to Kelvin, just offset so that 0C is the freezing point of water instead of Absolute zero. It's easy to convert between the two, just +/- 273.15 depending on where you're going. 0C - 273.15 is 0K.

    I don't think either counts as "Metric" though since there aren't any milikelvins or anything like that, but you can still have a fraction of either if you want more granularity than a single degree.

    I believe Fahrenheit has an equivalent called Rankine, whereby 0Ra is absolute zero and the difference between the two is a fixed value, however that does bring the question - what's the point of 0F? What does it represent? Aside from the benefit of having "more" values between boiling and freezing water, is there a benefit to Fahrenheit that Celsius doesn't have?

  • by lordholm (649770) on Friday March 16, 2012 @06:26AM (#39375505) Homepage

    Hard right wing anti-unionist people call the EU socialist.
    Hard left wing anti-unionist people call the EU capitalist.

    Neither of these two groups are right.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 16, 2012 @06:29AM (#39375525)

    You have a vote. Unfortunately you squander it, voting for the indistinguishable main parties, in a desperate attempt not to "lose". It's not a game. Vote for the individuals you want to represent you. It doesn't matter if they lose. It doesn't matter what party they represent. Vote for the individual, make it clear you're voting for the individual and tell everyone you know that you're voting for the individual.

    Over time, we'll have a good old tyranny of the majority again instead of this modern tyranny of the statu quo bollocks.

  • Re:Math (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 16, 2012 @07:45AM (#39375879)

    Everyone knows the one true way is YYYY-MM-DD so that the numbers are you know, larger to smaller when reading left to right, like real numbers read. Also easier to sort. So suck on that.

  • Re:Math (Score:4, Insightful)

    by realityimpaired (1668397) on Friday March 16, 2012 @08:59AM (#39376689)

    Right, I'm sure it has nothing to do with what an enormous pain in the ass it is to convert the entirety of the United States to a different system of measurement. It's not like this is a big place or anything, we could do it in a weekend. No, it must be because we hate the French.

    And yet Canada, Russia, China, and several other countries that are bigger, both geographically and by population, had no trouble switching to the metric system. You do realize that Brunei is the only country in the world other than the US that still uses the Imperial system at an official level?

    There's a lot of resistance to change in the US, but no more than exists elsewhere in the world. Besides which, do you have any idea how much it's costing industry to have to switch between measurement systems when you move between countries? Several large businesses and industries have already switched themselves over to Metric, because it just makes it easier to work with the rest of the world. It's a question of political will, but it really is about time the US joined the rest of the world in a common measurement system.

    The comment about the French was facetious... I'm glad to see it was appreciated.... It was either that, or a joke about Americans being confused by all the multiples of ten.

  • Re:Whoops (Score:1, Insightful)

    by cpu6502 (1960974) on Friday March 16, 2012 @10:03AM (#39377699)

    This is standard practice in the EU. When Ireland held a referendum and rejected the Lisbon Treaty, the EU technocrats didn't like the results so they just held ANOTHER referendum six months later. And in France & Denmark (or was it Netherlands) they too rejected the Treaty, and yet somehow it passed. I still haven't worked that out. Must be EU magic.

    As independence party leader Nigel Firage says, "We just keep holding elections until we get the answer desired..... And remove Greek or Italian PMs we don't like. This is not what democracy is supposed to look like!"

    "It matters not who gets the most votes. It matters who Counts the votes to select the desired winner." - Stalin. I think we witnessed that crap in the US with Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and a few other recent caucus contests (where Romney won since he's the guy the GOP elite want).

  • Re:Whoops (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AmiMoJo (196126) <[ten.3dlrow] [ta] [ojom]> on Friday March 16, 2012 @11:30AM (#39379079) Homepage

    This is standard practice in the EU. When Ireland held a referendum and rejected the Lisbon Treaty, the EU technocrats didn't like the results so they just held ANOTHER referendum six months later.

    Er, no. They did what any sensible person would do when their proposal was rejected: listen to the objections and fix it. They changed the stuff the Irish didn't like and then the Irish approved the changes. What's wrong with that? You expect them to give up totally at the first rejection over any aspect what-so-ever?

  • Re:Whoops (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AlamedaStone (114462) on Friday March 16, 2012 @01:13PM (#39380519)

    I think we witnessed that crap in the US with Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and a few other recent caucus contests (where Romney won since he's the guy the GOP elite want).

    Um, no. I think you meant to say 'he's the guy the *media* elite want'. The GOP faithful have been rallying around Santorum, as they say Romney's not 'conservative' enough.

    The "GOP faithful" are not in the same set as the "GOP elite". The GOP elite aren't crazy about Romney, but they REALLY don't like Santorum because he's a true radical and can't be controlled.

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