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nk497 writes "The release candidate for Microsoft Windows 7 will expire June 2010, and the software giant will let users know they need to pay to upgrade by shutting down the system every two hours for three months. According to Microsoft: "The RC will expire on June 1, 2010. Starting on March 1, 2010, your PC will begin shutting down every two hours. Windows will notify you two weeks before the bi-hourly shutdowns start. To avoid interruption, you'll need to install a non-expired version of Windows before March 1, 2010. You'll also need to install the programs and data that you want to use.""
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Windows 7 RCs Shut Down To Force Updates

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  • Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spazztastic (814296) <spazztasticNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:39AM (#27907719)
    How long until someone crackfixes this? TIA.
  • by eldavojohn (898314) * <eldavojohnNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:42AM (#27907775) Journal
    First off, might I applaud Davey Winder for his even handed non-biased journalism:

    Has Microsoft gone mental?

    What is totally mental, and I mean running around the supermarket without your pants on shouting "where is the mustard" mad ...

    Here is what Mental Microsoft has to say on the matter

    I get it, you learned a new word: mental. Please, try to use it in moderation and only when discussing things with your too cool for school third grade friends.

    Really, you sound surprised. Didn't they warn us about this anyway? That's why the general populace was not supposed to install this. For savvy users with their old image on a backup drive it's a minor inconvenience.

    Can one automagically revert to the legal Windows (if any) they had installed before they installed Windows 7? Of course not, this would make sense. And provide an easy way out of migration. For those who need an ill formed & flawed car analogy: It is like taking a new car for a test drive only to return to the dealership to discover that your old car has been crushed into a cube.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Tiger4 (840741) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:43AM (#27907793)

    How long before MS patchfixes this? They don't need more reasons for people to hate them, drive down sales, or drive developers to other OSs.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:45AM (#27907851)

    Who wants to use the RC version of Windows 7 forever? The RTM version will be released and cracked long before March 2010.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:45AM (#27907855) Journal
    Providing a (free as in beer) RC version that works, uncrippled, until mid 2010, would drive down sales.

    Hence the crippling.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MrAngryForNoReason (711935) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:48AM (#27907881)

    Why would people hate Microsoft for making available a free release candidate of their new OS that can be used with no restriction for the next 11 months?

    At that point users of the release candidate can either pay for a license or reinstall their old OS.

    This isn't some nefarious move by Microsoft it is just the end of the evaluation period of the release candidate.

  • by Schnoogs (1087081) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:51AM (#27907927)

    Did everyone think MS was giving away a free OS??? I've come across people in other forums literally cussing out MS as if this is some dirty trick.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of some people. Like they think you have two options with Windows 7...either download the free version or go the store and buy the version that costs $100.

    Morons.

  • by MrAngryForNoReason (711935) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:55AM (#27907999)

    For those who need an ill formed & flawed car analogy: It is like taking a new car for a test drive only to return to the dealership to discover that your old car has been crushed into a cube.

    It is clearly stated on the site where the Release Candidate is downloaded from that it is not recommended to install on your main machine as it will be necessary to reinstall a different OS at the end of the evaluation period. It is intended to be used on a testing machine, or by people who don't mind reinstalling after March next year.

    It amazes me that Microsoft give away a trial version of their new OS for anyone to try out for almost a year and there are so many people whose response is negative. If you don't want to have to reinstall next year then don't use it. Or wait for the retail release and buy a copy.

    If I gave you a house on a rent-free 12 month lease would you piss and whine about how inconvenient moving out would be?

  • by localman57 (1340533) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:58AM (#27908061)
    I'll go further than that. I'm glad they did it. I assume they're going to stop issuing downloadable security updates to the RC in March. As a user of the internet, I feel that there are already far too many unpatched Microsoft OS based Zombies lying in wait to do horrible things to people. It seems that a pre-release OS which could be in the wild for years without updates (by design) is a threat to the rest of us.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Joce640k (829181) on Monday May 11, 2009 @11:58AM (#27908065) Homepage

    How many "data files" will it make that are Windows 7 only, making return to XP impossible?

    Makes no difference I suppose. It's pretty much a given that anybody who installs this and uses it for a year is a die-hard Windows fan who's not going back anyway.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Xaoswolf (524554) <.Xaoswolf. .at. .gmail.com.> on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:00PM (#27908105) Homepage Journal
    I don't know how many game demos that I've downloaded and played that have time limits on play.

    Generally, I find it frustrating that I can't save and have to stop at the good part, but if the game is good, I then buy it.

  • Who cares? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Aliencow (653119) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:01PM (#27908133) Homepage Journal

    Why is this being posted over and over on very tech site?

    Who cares?
    You're installing a beta or a release candidate. Do you expect it to be supported forever?

    And are we really surprised Microsoft put in just a tiny bit of protection to prevent the average joe from continuing to use Windows 7 RC forever?

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by InsertWittyNameHere (1438813) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:02PM (#27908149)

    It's not "free as in beer." It's "free as in drugs" as in "the first hit is always free."

  • by amaiman (103647) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:03PM (#27908161) Homepage

    I'm not sure why people keep bringing up this issue. It's a release candidate being released for evaluation of software that isn't free. If they didn't disable it after a certain date, people would continue to use it indefinitely, and then would expect support as well. By forcing people to upgrade to the release version, it ensures they're not using an old, buggy release candidate. (Whether the final release will be better remains to be seen, of course, this is a Microsoft product, after all :-)

    Everyone is given fair warning about this before installing the RC (which shouldn't really be on production systems anyway). If you don't like what you see, then stop using it, otherwise upgrade to the release version when it comes out.

    A method to upgrade to release without having to completely reinstall would be nice, but they've never done that in the past and I wouldn't expect to see it done this time, either.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:07PM (#27908229)

    Why would people hate Microsoft for making available a not free release candidate of their new OS that can be used with no restriction for the next 11 months?

    Yes because we should never judge a company by their actions in the past. We shouldn't judge them for releasing a bloat of an operating system with so much
    DRM embedded that MS & the media companies almost have more control of your hardware than you do.

    At that point users of the release candidate should reinstall an OS Fixed that for you.

    Microsoft is advising people not to keep using the RC but to use a fresh install of the final Win7.

    When Windows 7 RC expires, XP will not be supported by Microsoft any more giving most users a choice of Vista or Windows 7 or moving away from Microsoft.

    This isn't some nefarious move by Microsoft it is just the end of the evaluation period of the release candidate.

    Microsoft is in business to make as much money as possible. They do this by breaking the law and abusing the monopolistic hold they have on the OS market.
    It most certainly IS some nefarious move by Microsoft orchestrated to increase their profits. To think otherwise is naive.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cowmonaut (989226) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:10PM (#27908293)
    It's an RC. If you were fool enough to install Windows 7 and use it at a production level then you get what is coming. If you installed it at home and you only had one box you should of known from the start that something like this would happen. People who think like your comment suggests are a big problem in today's society. It represents yet again that some people want things to be provided to them for free exactly how they want it and damn anyone who does otherwise.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by karnal (22275) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:12PM (#27908331)

    I've had to call MS before since a client reloaded XP by himself and couldn't get past the key part. Was very simple - just had to verify with the person on the other end that the key wasn't in use more than once, then they activated it (challenge/response I think in XP) - this could have worked for you as well. Probably only 20 minutes out of my day (and billable...)

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Blakey Rat (99501) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:14PM (#27908357)

    Good question. Some MS products let you change the license number, if you first enter an invalid one (like Server 2008; presumably that feature disappears after it's activated.) So it's definitely technically possible for them to do it.

    I doubt they will, though-- remember you're supposed to only be installing this Windows 7 release on *test* machines, not live machines. Therefore, you should fully expect to have to lose everything on it when you upgrade to the release version of Windows 7. It would be nice if Microsoft let you switch over without re-installing, but they really have no reason to. (And nor should you expect it.)

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:16PM (#27908387) Journal

    Beer is a drug. And beer, like other drugs, are often shared freely by friends. "Pushers" looking to get you hooked are a fabrication by the drug warriors.

  • Re:Upgraded (Score:2, Insightful)

    by HerculesMO (693085) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:17PM (#27908403)

    Whilst modded "funny", it's this preconcieved notion and the spite of the *nix community that actually makes their arguments look far poorer.

    I took a RHEL class (instructor FROM RedHat) a while back, and 1/4 of the class was dedicated to bashing Windows. Oddly enough, most of his complaints were from a lack of knowledge, not because of the OS, so what does it say when you keep pushing that kind of attitude when people are trying to make *nix more successful and widely received?

  • Re:Um... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:22PM (#27908477)
    --um if there's a 'whoosh' here it's yours dude.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Dog-Cow (21281) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:23PM (#27908493)

    Piracy is nothing more than selfish humans leeching other people's work and not wanting to lose the free ride.

    Modern copyright law is nothing more than selfish and greedy middlemen not wanting to lose their free ride.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:24PM (#27908507)

    What is bad about this is the way MS forces you to upgrade - by erasing the disk, along with the OS and ALL of your data, then installing a licensed copy and reinstalling all of your apps and then the data. What could be more inconvenient? What could waste more time? What could be more stupid?

    Why not just have a menu item to click on to buy a valid license key with a credit card - LIKE EVERY OTHER NORMAL VENDOR DOES!

    I just activated a copy of Photoshop Express this way, it's a convenient, easy $90 for Adobe. Doesn't anyone at Microsoft have a triple digit IQ?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:24PM (#27908511)

    You mean there are people out there who actually pay for Microsoft's OS's?

    That's about as dumb as paying for music...

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Beelzebud (1361137) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:27PM (#27908563)
    This is slashdot. MS can NEVER be seen as anything but evil here.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jonnythan (79727) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:35PM (#27908681) Homepage

    Well, the RC1 does work, fully uncrippled, until March of 2010.

    Geez. Microsoft releases a release candidate of their next major OS and lets everyone on earth use it for free for 10 months..... and people still complain because it begins to nag the user after 10 months.

    Only on Slashdot.

  • Re:Three months! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by twidarkling (1537077) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:35PM (#27908693)

    You're not *entitled* to sweet shit all in an RC version of software. They aren't saying "You can use it for a year, but for 3 months we're going to make it difficult." They're saying "You can use this, but it's not meant to be long term, and we're going to make sure you don't forget that."

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Red Flayer (890720) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:37PM (#27908715) Journal

    "Pushers" looking to get you hooked are a fabrication by the drug warriors

    Yes and no.

    Free, or discount-rate, samples are a useful marketing tool for drug dealers as well as other "legitimate" businesses. Since so many of the drugs in question are addictive, there is an element of truth to pushers 'getting people hooked'.

    It's not a myth created by the "drug warriors".

    Not all drug dealers fit into this stereotype, but some definitely do. It's a business; identifying your potential markets, increasing the size of those markets, and increasing your penetration into those markets are all things done by successful dealers, although they may not refer to them in those terms. Another important strategy is steering customers to your highest-margin products; this is even better when they are adding those products on top of existing products, instead of replacing the other products. "Pushing" drugs and offering free samples are a great way to do all of these things.

    If you haven't personally experienced these things, well, that's probably a measure of your exposure. Or it's a measure of how mature the market is where you are; a mature market doesn't require as much development.

  • Re:Upgraded (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Beelzebud (1361137) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:38PM (#27908731)
    Is that why my XP box has been on for 10 days, and 4 minutes?
    I love when people bash Windows based on their experiences from 10 years ago.
    Ubuntu crashes this box more than XP does...
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pnewhook (788591) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:50PM (#27908959)

    Because while Microsoft has every right to disable their software, they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to turn my computer on or off.

    Except disabling their software results in your computer shutting off - you cant run your hardware without it. Of course they could change things to have the OS shut down and display that stupid 'it is now safe to turn off your hardware' message so you can leave your useless hardware powered on.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheSambassador (1134253) on Monday May 11, 2009 @12:51PM (#27908987)
    When is this EVER the case with ANY beta test? People CHOOSE to beta test... they're not forced into it. Aside from that, the "payment" is usually the ability to get to try out new software before everyone else, and to help make sure that the issues YOU have with it are noticed.

    Not to mention that because this is an OPEN beta, Microsoft would have to give every single person who ever "beta-tested" (read: "downloaded") the software a free copy.

    If I get chosen for the Starcraft beta test, I'll not only be extremely excited, but I will most definitely buy the finished product.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Beelzebud (1361137) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:01PM (#27909145)
    From reading this I can tell 100% that you never buy drugs on the black market. Those guys are out to make a quick buck. They don't need to give people a free sample, they aren't selling Avon.

    Drugs sell themselves, you don't need to have a market strategy to sell crack.
  • Re:Upgraded (Score:4, Insightful)

    by TheRaven64 (641858) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:02PM (#27909177) Journal

    Oddly enough, most of his complaints were from a lack of knowledge

    See also:

    • Windows users on Mac OS X.
    • Windows users on Linux.
    • Linux users on *BSD / Solaris.
    • Linux users on OS X.
    • Everyone on Haiku.

    In summary, people who don't know a system will claim it's inferior to the one they do know to justify their ignorance.

  • Re:Better yet: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kaboom13 (235759) <kaboom108&bellsouth,net> on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:07PM (#27909271)

    Wait, so the OS initiating a shutdown (one of the OS's functions) after it passes a clearly defined date, in accordance with the licensing terms you agreed to on an OS you are getting for free to use for testing purposes is illegal? MS has been perfectly clear from the start what this release is for. They would be fully within their rights to have the os stop functioning completely after the date. The only way they would be responsible for damages is if it intentionally damaged the hardware in some way. Heck, if it accidentally destroys the hardware, they are still in the clear because they made it perfectly clear this was a no guarantees testing purposes build.

    This is the ultimate non-story that makes the community look bad because it's pointless anti-ms rabble rousing instead of actual legitimate criticism.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BrokenHalo (565198) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:18PM (#27909425)
    then you get married, and it becomes "not at any price except for purposes of procreation...
    ...Or so I've heard.


    Well, there is another side to that story: my wife and I are in our mid 40s. She was on the pill for most of the 25 years we have been together, and our sex life declined along the lines of the jar-of-beans statistic commonly mentioned.

    Since my wife stopped taking the pill (I guess gambling that if an unwanted pregnancy were to happen, there have already been multiple opportunities for such a mishap), the boot is now on the other foot (so to speak), the rampant horny hormones have taken hold, and I'm now the one who has to struggle to keep up.

    You young 'uns might think there are worse ways to go than being balled to death, but there are times when I am more then happy just to sit in an armchair reading a novel, thank you very much.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:4, Insightful)

    by PRMan (959735) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:20PM (#27909465)
    Just install Office 2000 and leave a copy of Word open. No Windows system can shut down then.
  • by BrokenHalo (565198) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:26PM (#27909553)
    What is bad about this is the way MS forces you to upgrade

    Stop whining. Microsoft does no such thing. If you don't like their business model, just don't use their products. It's as simple as that.
  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bill_kress (99356) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:30PM (#27909637)

    Not disagreeing with you at all--but do you recognize that you are putting crack dealers on the same level as wineries? Many addictive drug dealers have used these techniques for years--The creators of cigarettes, wine and beer have often given their drugs away to try to create new addicts--in fact if I'm not mistaken, cigarettes were given to the military as part of rations WWII (and WWI?).

    Makes you think--I mean the cigarette manufactures are more aggressive in that way than dealers of every other drug (possibly even including alcohol) combined and they have killed many more people and cost society much more...

    I don't know where I'm going with this, but there is a point to be made there somewhere.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by unlametheweak (1102159) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:32PM (#27909659)

    What's funny is that somebody down-modded my post (It quickly went back up to 5 again). I'm assuming the down-modder was one of those happily married people that you hear about on TV.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:2, Insightful)

    by orev (71566) on Monday May 11, 2009 @01:32PM (#27909671) Homepage

    Vista has no such concept of OEM vs. Retail disks. All Vista discs are the same, and it will also be the same with W7. Some OEMs distribute modified disks that auto-install with a specific license key, but those can be easily modified to remove that behavior. Any Vista disc that prompts you to enter a key will work with an OEM or Retail license key.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Hatta (162192) on Monday May 11, 2009 @02:22PM (#27910453) Journal

    Free, or discount-rate, samples are a useful marketing tool for drug dealers as well as other "legitimate" businesses

    Never, in 15 years of buying and using drugs have I ever met a dealer who marketed. They don't need to, the demand is high enough that the customers will find you. Occasionally a sample is provided to prove the quality of the stock, but in no way does that lead to someone getting hooked.

    Since so many of the drugs in question are addictive, there is an element of truth to pushers 'getting people hooked'.

    Not really. No one gets hooked to anything after one free sample.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Red Flayer (890720) on Monday May 11, 2009 @02:41PM (#27910751) Journal
    Maybe you should consider that your personal experience is not the sum of all human experience?

    Those guys are out to make a quick buck. They don't need to give people a free sample, they aren't selling Avon.

    You sure about that? Are you talking about retailers where they know the people will come to them? Perhaps you're unaware that those aren't the only kind of dealers around. Another question -- have you ever been in an area with an oversupply of drugs? It's amazing what an astute dealer will do to make sure he can move as much product as he chooses.

    Drugs sell themselves, you don't need to have a market strategy to sell crack.

    What if someone sells pot, but has a lot of shrooms or x to move that they got dirt cheap? And they have a bunch of pot customers who may be interested in the shrooms and x, but are a little timid about trying them?

    This is not uncommon on college campuses, where turnover of the market is constant (as students graduate or move on).

    I could get more into specifics, but this is not the place for discussion of personal experience along these lines, IMO.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Bio)-(azard (1421513) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:22PM (#27911415)

    I agree completely.

    How is this different than any previous RC or Beta release? This is not news at all. In fact the title "Windows 7 RCs Shut Down To Force Updates" is very misleading. It does not force an update. Its forcing the user to either buy it or reinstall what they had previous.

    And for the love of god, why would anyone want a crack to run a beta version past its time limit anyway?

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:2, Insightful)

    by qtzlctl (1538903) on Monday May 11, 2009 @03:26PM (#27911471)
    I know, I know... you are joking. But it's actually true. Taking a break once in a while does increase your productivity. By ALOT.

    But I can see why it's an inconvenience, especially if you work on delicate tasks that require more than a few hours to complete. Of course the chances of a power user accepting to work with such, uhm, "feature", are slim to none. Truly by the time it expires, he will have already purchased/pirated the gold version and his productivity levels would be slumping back to what they used to be. *sigh*
  • by ConceptJunkie (24823) on Monday May 11, 2009 @06:18PM (#27914331) Homepage Journal

    Doesn't anyone at Microsoft have a triple digit IQ?

    There are thousands, just none in management. Like most companies.

  • Re:Crackfix please (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bit01 (644603) on Monday May 11, 2009 @10:26PM (#27916927)

    This is slashdot. MS can NEVER be seen as anything but evil here.

    You're lying. Slashdot frequently has pro-M$ posts. M$ marketers and M$ marketing victims appear to have their very own reality distortion field and can't cope with a website that has any alternative points of view at all.

    When websites like microsoft.com [microsoft.com] or Paul Thurott [winsupersite.com] are fair and balanced then you might have a point. Until then any so-called bias by slashdot website contributers is just balancing out a tiny fraction of the incredible volume of propaganda coming out of Redmond and their client websites.

    Oh, and to anticipate one snide comment: "M$" is a reminder that they are currently costing the world USD$50,000,000,000+ per year for a dozen programs mostly written decades ago with the most difficult bits, the device drivers, being written by third parties. It's also a response to them putting multiple marketing keys on general purpose PC keyboards.

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