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YouTube Video Warned About School Shooting 426

mytrip writes to tell us that CNN is reporting at least eight dead in a Finland school shooting that was apparently planned out in graphic videos posted to YouTube. "YouTube appeared to have removed 89 videos linked to his account, many of them featuring Nazi imagery, shortly after the incident. Finnish media reported someone posted a message two weeks ago on the Web site, warning of a bloodbath at the school. A video posted earlier Wednesday, by 'Sturmgeist89,' was titled 'Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007.' 'Sturmgeist89' identified himself as Auvinen, and said he chose the name 'Sturmgeist' because it means 'storm spirit' in German."
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YouTube Video Warned About School Shooting

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  • by mweather ( 1089505 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:06PM (#21273359)
    Sturmgeist is a Norwegian metal band.
  • Re:Obviously (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:07PM (#21273371)
    This is modded +1 Interesting? The above comment is offensive since it implicitly questions the existence of the Holocaust with the use of the quotation marks around the word.
  • Re:Crazy Idea (Score:2, Informative)

    by ShiningSomething ( 1097589 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:39PM (#21273795)
    If you had RTFA, you would have seen that hunting is popular in Finland, and out of five million total population there are two million guns in circulation. Legal guns, that is. They are educated. Also, this was nothing like an AK-47. You could be being sarcastic, but unfortunately I doubt it. So get your facts straight.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:45PM (#21273893)
    Subscribers: 120
    Channel Views: 72,410
    aka NaturalSelector89 (3/15/2007 - 10/19/2007).

    YouTube suspended my previous account but I am back now :) My new account name is German and means "Stormspirit" in English.

    http://rapidshare.com/files/68 [rapidshare.com] 015773/Pekka-Eric_Auvinen___Jo kela_High_School_Massacre.zip
    Name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen
    Age: 18
    Male from Finland.

    I am a cynical existentialist, antihuman humanist, antisocial socialdarwinist, realistic idealist and godlike atheist.

    SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM! JUSTITIA SUUM CUIQUE DISTRIBUIT! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

    I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.

    You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am"insane", "crazy", "psychopath", "criminal" or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.

    I have had enough. I don't want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.

    Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can't alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.

    I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.

    And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don't blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don't blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!

    Justice renders to everyone his due.
    Country: Finland
    Occupation: Unemployed Philosopher, Outcast
    Companies: Human Race (evolved one step above though)
    Interests and Hobbies: Existentialism, Freedom, Truth, Misantrophy, Social / Personality Psychology, Evolution Science, Political Incorrectness, Women, BDSM, Guns (I love you Catherine), Shooting, Computer Games, Sarcasm, Irony, Mass / Serial Killers, Macabre Art, Black Comedy, Absurdism
    Films and Shows: The Matrix, A View To A Kill, Falling Down, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs, Last Man Standing, Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Butcher MD (aka Zombie Holocaust), Saw 1-3, Lord Of War, The Deer Hunter, True Romance, The Untouchables, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Idiocracy, They Live, Apocalypse Now, End Of Days, The Shining, The Dead Zone, Dr. Strangelove,
  • by tietokone-olmi ( 26595 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @06:58PM (#21274069)
    Please note that Finland also had to fight the Germans after Finland made separate peace with the USSR at the end of the Continuation War. This one was known as the Lapland War, and it was mostly fought by teenagers since the treaty with the USSR somehow managed to disqualify anyone experienced from being in the army for real.

    Nazi Germany was an ally to Finland, but they were a bitter enemy afterward. This is why any neo-nazi in Finland is by definition utterly fucking bonkers, just like an overt Stalinist would be (though perhaps a bit less than the same Stalinist in today's Russia).
  • by CptPicard ( 680154 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:10PM (#21274233)
    There is nothing secret about it -- it's basic Finnish history, and of course still a bit of a bone of contention among historians and even regular people whether joining Nazi Germany in Barbarossa was such a bright move. Personally I think there was not much choice -- had we just sat there on our hands, the possibility is high that Stalin would have attacked again after Winter War anyway, so some sort of pre-emption was logical when Germany was going strong. I probably would have made the same choice at that time of history. Finland has also always had a strong bond to Germany -- especially militarily -- that goes all the way back to our Civil War when the whites got training from Germany to suppress the communist rebellion. Essentially the officers of our WW2 were probably German-trained for a significant part.

    This was a marriage of convenience, and it must be pointed out that for example Finland never joined Germany in their ethnic cleansing plans. We actually had a Jewish synagogue out there at the front -- fighting against the Soviets! Marshall Mannerheim, the country's lead figure at the time and a cosmopolitan gentleman and officer from the Czar's army originally, was personally disgusted by Hitler, whom he considered to be a barbarian. Yes, we have German ties and being made to march to Siberia by Stalin was the worse option. I would strongly disagree with your idea that we might have had much Fascist sympathies during the time -- our extreme right wing was suppressed during the 20s and 30s right after the extreme left wing was suppressed after Civil War. We remained remarkably centrist and democratic throughout the whole ordeal.
  • by Wilson_6500 ( 896824 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:15PM (#21274291)
    The gunman has apparently died of his wounds. At least that's the last needless death we can expect to come from this particular saga.
  • Re:Obviously (Score:4, Informative)

    by Gideon Fubar ( 833343 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @07:29PM (#21274455) Journal
    no, buddy.. you're modded troll because you were inciting them.. perhaps flamebait would be more appropriate, but you got modded down because of your own statements.

    I dig why you'd be upset, but it ain't good karma.
  • by vertinox ( 846076 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:08PM (#21275011)
    (I Love Pia Kaamos)

    Small world. Personally I sold Pia my old car for $200 bucks a few years ago and dated a friend of a friend of hers.
    She moved out to California last I heard, doing modeling.

    But more to on topic, Finland stayed independent by making a deal with the Soviets to kick the Germans out after being able to hold the Soviets off for a while during 1944. So, allies turned enemies and Stalin didn't really seem that interested in infiltrating Finland after the war.
  • by mangu ( 126918 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:18PM (#21275153)
    To a certain extent, the Nazis could be argued as the saviours of Finland


    You are wrong. I have a good knowledge of this, because my granduncle [google.com] was the prime minister of Finland during WWII and I heard this story from my parents who saw it firsthand. Finland was at war with Russia, when the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were allies [google.com].


    At that time, Churchill himself praised Finland as the savior of the world [google.com]: "Only Finland - superb, nay, sublime - in the jaws of peril - Finland shows what free men can do. The service rendered by Finland to mankind is magnificent. They have exposed, for all the world to see, the military incapacity of the Red Army and of the Red Air Force. Many illusions about Soviet Russia have been dispelled in these few fierce weeks of fighting in the Arctic Circle. Everyone can see how Communism rots the soul of a nation; how it makes it abject and hungry in peace, and proves it base and abominable in war. We cannot tell what the fate of Finland may be, but no more mournful spectacle could be presented to what is left to civilized mankind than that this splendid Northern race should be at last worn down and reduced to servitude worse than death by the dull brutish force of overwhelming numbers. If the light of freedom which still burns so brightly in the frozen North should be finally quenched, it might well herald a return to the Dark Ages, when every vestige of human progress during two thousand years would be engulfed."


    Unfortunately for Finland, a popular but rather imbecile president [google.com] declared war against Russia after Hitler started Operation Barbarossa.

  • Videos (Score:3, Informative)

    by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:28PM (#21275239) Journal
    Here are two of the videos.

    In this one he is target practicing on an apple:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=90d_1194444897 [liveleak.com]

    This video is a bunch of stills; a picture of his school, and various pictures of him with his gun:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=369_1194449557 [liveleak.com]

    Dan East
  • by CptPicard ( 680154 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:31PM (#21275281)
    You'd have more credibility if you were not posting as AC, but I'll respond anyway... Finland's existence was threatened both ways, and Stalin was particularly determined to make Finland pay for resistance during the Winter War. With the Germans you might have become some kind of a vassal state with the rest of Europe, but it wouldn't have ended up with people shipped to Siberia... I don't understand why you fail to see the choice that had to be made.

    Mannerheim had to deal with Hitler because we needed the weapons. Doesn't mean you have to like the chap personally to do diplomacy.
  • by Kassiopeia ( 671060 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:53PM (#21275481)

    I find it unlikely that Kyösti Kallio declared war on Russia after Barbarossa began, since Kallio left office in 1940 and Barbarossa began in June 1941. However, my credentials aren't quite as good: my granduncle Akseli Anttila was merely a General of the Red Army who had left to Russia during the Civil War. He was also the Defence Minister of Kuusinen's puppet government.

    Churchill certainly sang Finland's praises during the Winter War, but the planned military aid operation via Norway never materialized, only some volunteers from Sweden and a few Allied countries, primarily the UK. This goodwill disappeared after a Finland lead by President Risto Ryti accepted German trade and soldiers into the country during the so-called interwar period, which culminated in German airplanes using Finland as a landing area in the early phases of Barbarossa in late June 1941. By this time, Northern Finland was housing German soldiers, who had the frontlines in the Petsamo/Murmansk direction during Barbarossa. This obvious pact lead to the Soviet Union doing the logical thing and bombing Finnish cities and installations, which lead to declarations of war.

    But you can certainly say Finland was screwed both ways several times, what with first having to deal with the Soviet Union enabled by German consent, then the Soviet Union while working with the Germans, and then finally having to deal with the stragglers of the German forces after signing a peace deal with the Soviets - a deal that was struck in the nick of time, when the Finnish forces presented just enough resistance so that the Soviets couldn't bother and preferred to focus on Central Europe instead of Finland.

  • Re:Obviously (Score:4, Informative)

    by insomnyuk ( 467714 ) on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:55PM (#21275493) Journal
    Typically, Jews refer to the Holocaust as Shoah, or calamity.
  • Re:Interesting (Score:3, Informative)

    by mqduck ( 232646 ) <mqduck@@@mqduck...net> on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @08:56PM (#21275515)

    Look at just about any piece of creative work and you will find violence and usually a non-psychotic who wrote it.
    FYI, you probably meant "non-psychopath". Well, maybe not. Perhaps "psycho" is a good compromise.
  • by znode ( 647753 ) * <znode@noSPAM.gmx.de> on Wednesday November 07, 2007 @09:57PM (#21276187) Homepage
    I was able to grab his manifesto files from his zip pack before all the sites took them off. Here follows his rant.

    ATTACK INFORMATION

    Event: Jokela High School Massacre.
    Targets: Jokelan Lukio (High School Of Jokela), students and faculty, society, humanity, human race.
    Date: 11/7/2007.
    Attack Type: Mass murder, political terrorism (altough I choosed the school as target, my motives for the attack are political and much much deeper and therefore I don't want this to be called only as "school shooting").
    Location: Jokela, Tuusula, Finland.
    Perpetrator's name: Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist). I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.
    Weapons: Semi-automatic .22 Sig Sauer Mosquito pistol.

    What do I hate / What I don't like?
    Equality, tolerance, human rights, political correctness, hypocrisy, ignorance, enslaving religions and ideologies, antidepressants, TV soap operas & drama shows, rap -music, mass media, censorship, political populists, religious fanatics, moral majority, totalitarianism, consumerism, democracy, pacifism, state mafia, alcholohics, TV commercials, human race.
    What do I love / what do I like?
    Existentialism, self-awareness, freedom, justice, truth, moral & political philosophy, personal & social psychology, evolution science, political incorrectness, guns, shooting, BDSM, computers, internet, aggressive electronic and industrial rock & metal music, violent movies, , FPS -computer games, sarcasm, irony, black humour, macabre artm mass & serial killer cases, natural disasters, eugenics

    Natural Selector's Manifesto

    How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?

    Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere... I can't say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!

    Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as "psychological disorders" by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual's personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc... and it is completely normal.

    Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.

    There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers... and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.

    Of

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