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Students Assigned to Write Wikipedia Articles 276

openfrog writes "An inspired professor at University of Washington-Bothell, Martha Groom, made an interesting pedagogical experiment. Instead of vilifying Wikipedia as some academics are prone to do, she assigned the students enrolled in her environmental history course to contribute articles. The result has proven "transformative" to her students. They were no longer spending their time writing for one reader, says Groom, but were doing work of consequence in a "peer reviewed" environment, which enhanced the quality of their output."
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Students Assigned to Write Wikipedia Articles

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  • Damn... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Derek Loev ( 1050412 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:02PM (#21206243)
    My school blocks Wikipedia entirely. When asked why the answer is "anybody can edit it". I don't think they understand the fact that nobody is going to cite Wikipedia as a reference for a paper, but Wikipedia does offer great sources that can be used to further explore a subject.
    I would suggest teaching students how to find legitimate sources instead of using the brute-force method of blocking everything they don't understand.
  • by empaler ( 130732 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:08PM (#21206287) Journal
    An example in German would be doing a group assignment on Schiller [wikipedia.org], then have the group add to the article after the paper had been graded. There's lots of articles that are in need of extra info, and since the schools have books on various subjects as a given, they might as well use it in their education. I do follow that it might be more labor intensive, especially to begin with while the teacher has to learn how to work this into the curriculum and grading.
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JustShootMe ( 122551 ) * <rmiller@duskglow.com> on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:08PM (#21206291) Homepage Journal
    Yeah. There are some good teachers, and there are some really bad ones. What the really bad ones could do with wikipedia really scares me.

    Mix wikipedia editing and zero tolerance policies and things could get really dicey really fast.
  • by Secret Rabbit ( 914973 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:10PM (#21206307) Journal
    I still maintain that the Wikipedia is only an approximation of the truth, if even that.

    I must say that given the output of high-schools today, we should be attempting to prevent students from contributing, not encouraging them. I mean, hearing Profs say that students can't do simple algebra or even remotely think logically is now common place. Hell, I've seen what these people produce, and the only excuse that one can have is that English is /not/ the students first language. But, the problem is that it IS the students first language. Hell, from what I've seen (several Universities over several years), the foreigners do better with English than the "natives."

    Quite frankly, I find this sort of thing going on, profoundly disturbing.
  • by JonathanR ( 852748 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:25PM (#21206415)
    Of course, another activity could be for students to take a snapshot of an article, and proceed with research (web or otherwise) to review and validate all the claims/statements. It would be a good exercise in citing sources and tuning their bullshit/propaganda detectors.
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by JustShootMe ( 122551 ) * <rmiller@duskglow.com> on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:26PM (#21206417) Homepage Journal
    Dude, I've never been banned from wikipedia. That's probably because I've tried very hard to stay under the radar and only edit occasionally.

    I have, however, seen plenty of examples of people who were. It's bad enough that Wikinews is investigating it [wikinews.org].

    Wikipedia is a very good idea that has grown too big for itself.
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JustShootMe ( 122551 ) * <rmiller@duskglow.com> on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:30PM (#21206453) Homepage Journal
    Excellent sarcasm, but that's not what I'm referring to. I don't care about the little warnings and stuff, and I don't like vandalism any more than anyone else. In fact, there was one page that someone kept vandalizing that I tried very hard to get unvandalized. It worked, and hasn't been touched for a while now.

    I'm referring to the notability wars, and admins skirting around the whole peer review thing and making wholesale changes to articles, after when they ban if someone reverts them. That's a problem.
  • not the first (Score:3, Interesting)

    by enbody ( 472304 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:39PM (#21206533) Homepage
    I have given an assignment to work on a Wikipedia article, and I would be amazed if there weren't many more. Students thoroughly enjoyed the assignments.

    What this instructor did was great. I'm not sure it is newsworthy.
  • by femto ( 459605 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:42PM (#21206567) Homepage
    It will be interesting to monitor these articles if the students don't maintain them once the course has finished. Do they maintain their improved quality over time, or do they eventually get eroded by an army of badly informed editors? I wonder if anyone has ever tried to measure the "half life" of knowledge within Wikipedia? In the absence of a concerted maintenance effort by a dedicated individual does the quality of a typical article increase of does it decay to noise? Sadly my experience with some articles which I was once passionate about, but am less so now, suggests the latter.
  • Everyone is doing it (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 01, 2007 @10:49PM (#21206625)
    "University of New South Wales Associate Professor Andrew Collins has just completed a 10-week project with his advanced immunology class, requiring students to correct errors and fill the gaps in Wikipedia articles related to immunology."

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/wikipedia-project-is-a-class-act/2007/10/31/1193618940842.html [smh.com.au]

    Complete with kooky picture of said Professor.
  • by Skreems ( 598317 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @11:19PM (#21206795) Homepage
    That brings up an interesting problem, though. Less motivated students are prone to ripping off large sections of text books. So would putting their work up on wikipedia end up being more damaging than helpful? (Of course, that assumes that WP is mostly free of plagiarism in the first place).
  • by i kan reed ( 749298 ) on Thursday November 01, 2007 @11:26PM (#21206839) Homepage Journal
    I've found this varies greatly.

    I've seen 3 main pathways.

    1. Pop culture trash: this doesn't refer to all articles regarding popular culture, but rather just a great many. It usually starts out as(or is quickly whipped into shape by an experienced editor as) a small blurb summarizing the cultural relevance and origins of some item. Over time rampant speculation, positive description, and dubious links filter into it. These get these way because the people who care about and watch the article are not people interested in the academic information involved, but rather people who just like to see more of it. I've fixed up articles like this only to have them return to idiocy in a matter of 3-4 months when I checked up later. Examples ALMOST any article fitting description: "list of characters from {video game/tv show}"
    2. Seriously contentious items: These tend to be the best articles on wikipedia because every addition is scrutinized from 30 different perspectives, questionable items are well referenced because someone disagreeing will remove it otherwise, and things tend to be well scrutinized. Good examples: "evolution" and "god".
    3. relatively obscure item of actual academic interest: article usually started by someone with a casual interest. Rare(sometimes as rarely as every few months), but consistent, non-vandalized additions adding a sentence or two about the subject and the occasional restructuring of the whole article in accordance with what had been added. Usually one or two guardian users who care deeply about the subject and watch the article for extreme alterations. These kinds of articles improve slowly and never reach the point of incredible quality.

    That's just my observation and theorizing on the subject. I could see all sorts of reasons people would disagree with my assessment.
  • Hardly new (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Cairnarvon ( 901868 ) on Friday November 02, 2007 @12:09AM (#21207269) Homepage
    When I took Japanese History two years ago, we were given the assignment to pick a random topic related to Japanese history, research it, and write a Wikipedia article on the subject.
    This worked well for Japanese History because the English language Wikipedia didn't have too many articles at the time, and even the articles it did have were fragmentary and for the most part abandoned. I'm not sure how easy it'd be to do with more "mainstream" articles. You'd get more feedback from other Wikipedia users, sure, but you'd also be providing far less of the content.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 02, 2007 @01:34AM (#21207857)
    I suspect that at least more than a couple of academics that are doing this. One instance that I know of is postings of an Intro to Neuroscience class taught by Steve Potter (a researcher in neuron controlled robots) at Georgia Tech's Biomedical Department. Each student in the class was instructed to pick one uncovered neuroscience topic and write an article on it. I don't know how far his assignments stretches back, but it has been done at least since last year.
  • Re:Double benefit.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by sahai ( 102 ) on Friday November 02, 2007 @02:41AM (#21208205) Homepage
    I'll come out of the closet here. I have assigned this to my students in advanced courses as well. But I always make it optional. Students have a choice: write up lecture notes for one lecture to share with their fellow students in class or find an article related to the course material in Wikipedia and improve it substantially.

    My experience has been that those that do this have made very nice contributions for the community. I check up on it to make sure that it is not confused. Of course, I have only tried this in the relatively small classes that we have here at Berkeley.

    The academic world is about the developing and sharing of knowledge with our fellow human beings. Wikipedia seems like one of the right ways to do this for well established results with immediate benefits and very little pain.
  • Professor had everyone create an account ending in "mas214" (the course number). Everyone procrastinated and then did such a bad job the accounts got blocked for vandalism and an investigation was launched into whether they were sock puppets [wikipedia.org]. Here's one user's talk page [wikipedia.org]. It ended up on the administrator noticeboard [wikipedia.org]. So professors, if you're going to assign Wikipedia, take the time to understand what Wikipedia is about first.
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by unlametheweak ( 1102159 ) on Friday November 02, 2007 @03:50AM (#21208539)
    You brought up a lot of points. I would have to go through each one thoughtfully and peruse my arguments to make sure I didn't make any mistakes. One obvious mistake (IMHO) on your side is:

    An appeal to authority that doesn't have any - you were a student for six years, congratulations.
    Nope that was anecdotal. Experience by itself can be very informative. I claim no authority and do not claim to be an expert. And the anecdotal evidence was backed up by the subsequent references.

    I am curious as to why you listed me as a Friend though.

    Regards
  • by JasterBobaMereel ( 1102861 ) on Friday November 02, 2007 @04:49AM (#21208815)
    ...and the main compliant was that they were writing essays not articles (writing style was arguing a point of view, rather than stating the facts) and that they did not cite sources (or did not cite properly) i.e. they acted as new editors have always acted in Wikipedia. It was only noticed because they did it on mass from similarly named accounts and so were suspected as being one person... The Professor was contacted and apologised, and said he would prepare the students better next time by including giving them some of the Wikipedia editing guides, but said "My experience though is that no matter how often you explain matters of style and substance, students will do what students do"
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by foobsr ( 693224 ) * on Friday November 02, 2007 @05:42AM (#21209115) Homepage Journal
    Wikipedia (as a publishing medium) should not be used to learn or practice ones skills, but to actually help improve the knowledge of mankind

    Thus, if you indeed happen to have the skill to 'improve the knowledge of mankind' (will not comment on the implications of the 'Weltanschauung' that shows up here), do not practice it on Wikipedia.

    Rest assured, most with only a semblance of this competence will avoid to waste their energy anyway.

    Using Wikipedia (for article submission) merely as an academic exercise

    Last time I pondered about it, I thought that facilitating access to knowledge is 'the academic exercise' per se, aka research.

    unknown levels of experience, honesty, or intelligence

    Like posters here, especially the one of the submission referred to, in which case 'dubious' may be in place as a means for augmentation of the addressed concepts.

    CC.
  • by 2TecTom ( 311314 ) on Friday November 02, 2007 @08:28AM (#21210069) Homepage Journal
    .. now that would be a lot research! Why do we just waste all that effort? Why not publish all papers on the web, even at the high school level?

    We produce a work just to pass a course or test, and then we never use that report, or term paper again. Odd how we can recycle tin cans but waste the labors of mind.
  • Re:Doublt benefit.. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by nine-times ( 778537 ) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Friday November 02, 2007 @09:02AM (#21210397) Homepage

    Academics are often "MANDATED" to "(not just submit, but) actually publish articles" in peer-reviewed journals, or at least publish their findings in other area-specific literature (perhaps books, etc.). Is that an "indication of arrogance and incompetence" on the part of the university/college that employs them?

    It's an indication of *something* bad-- or at least "less than ideal". This intense focus on publishing, IMHO, distracts from teaching or even learning. That's right, learning. Even professors have a lot to learn in their field. We all have a lot to learn. And instead of encouraging these people to learn and teach, they're pushed to "output".

    It turns into this competitive thing where their best interests are served by acting pompous and building reputations. It's better to make a big splash with what you publish than for it to focus on writing something particularly accurate and of high quality. I'm sure some people in academia manage to rise above all that and really put out good stuff, but having watched professors and doctoral students go through all this, and having read some of this "output", it seems pretty clear to me that the system has problems.

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