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Swearing at Work is Bleeping Good For You 421

coondoggie writes "This is the kind of news that your HR folks don't want to hear, but researchers today said letting workers swear at will in the workplace can benefit employees and employers. The study found regular use of profanity to express and reinforce solidarity among staff, enabling them to express their feelings, such as frustration, and develop social relationships, according to researchers at the University of East Anglia (UES). Researchers said their aim was to challenge leadership styles and suggest ideas for best practice. "Employees use swearing on a continuous basis, but not necessarily in a negative, abusive manner. Swearing was as a social phenomenon to reflect solidarity and enhance group cohesiveness, or as a psychological phenomenon to release stress, " the study stated." I'm sure the discussion and tags on this story will be completely G Rated ;)
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Swearing at Work is Bleeping Good For You

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  • Good for you? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by psychicsword ( 1036852 ) * <The@psychi c s w o r d.com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @11:38AM (#21011231)
    I can see your point, but I still think you are full of shit [thealders.net]
    That is fucking bullshit.
    They must be talking out of their ass!

    Next they will be saying that Porn is good for productivity
  • by CelticWhisper ( 601755 ) <celticwhisperNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @11:42AM (#21011323)
    Now where the yotz did I put that frakking driver CD? I swear, if this FRELLING printer breaks down one more time, it's getting it right in the mivonks. Useless pile of dren, I knew we should have gone with the 4250.

    Of course, it does have the downside of my coworkers looking at me like I'm insane, but then that really shouldn't come as news to anyone. If they haven't figured out that I'm magra-fahrbot by now, well, I can't be blamed.
  • by Cornflake917 ( 515940 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @11:45AM (#21011375) Homepage
    My office neighbor gets scary when he is having trouble figuring something out on his computer. He swears and bangs the table and it makes me scared. I don't think his behavior is helping anyone :-(
  • Call me sad but.. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by clickclickdrone ( 964164 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @11:45AM (#21011389)
    Whilst in the right circumstances I can swear as much as the next person, at work and out in public, I don't like hearing it especially when people use it in every sentence without it even needing to be there. I have always considered really strong language to be the 11 on the amp - it's for when you need to get over the fact that something is really extreme i.e. big, massive, humungous, **ing huge.
    Personally I'd find it stress inducing if I was surrounded by people swearing non stop all day. It has it's place and I'm happy with that but I don't want to hear it non stop, it demeans the person talking like that.
    That said, I was sort of impressed by the moron chav who lived in the flat below mine once who managed a 16 word sentence which was all f**k or varients apart from 4 words and it made sense.
  • by thegnu ( 557446 ) <thegnu@noSpam.gmail.com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @11:48AM (#21011435) Journal

    for use of vulgar language in meetings...
    how can getting fired be healthy for you?

    The point of the article is that being in an environment that allows greater freedom of expression is good for you. Not that swearing when it's inappropriate or against policy is good for you.

    Though I've sworn at a client that was late in paying me $3000. But I was essentially in a situation where I had to demonstrate the fact that I owned (pwnd, rather) all their data before they paid me. So I felt rather justified.
  • by rbanzai ( 596355 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:01PM (#21011649)
    I once worked at police department, a very swear-friendly environment. I wound up swearing ALL the time, including around my family. I had to work hard to break this new habit. In the jobs that followed (outside of emergency services) it was obvious that people who swore alot not only seemed unprofessional they appeared to be poor communicators that could not express themselves without obscenities.

    It's not a prohibition on swearing that's keeping people from expressing themselves at work; it's restrictive environments created by management where one doesn't express oneself out of fear of retaliation.

    I enjoy swearing when it's the right time, but work is not the place for it, and swearing is not a workplace communication enhancer; it's a tool of anger, frustration and an inability to express one's full feeling on a subject.
  • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy.gmail@com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:03PM (#21011685) Journal
    It's not about the profanity, it's about the freedom to express your opinion without a ton of self-censoring. If you're working in a situation where you're going to get fired for swearing in a meeting, regardless of how frustrated you are, that's going to affect your performance and it's going to add a lot of stress, because you're going to be forever worrying about what you say to whom.

    I used to have a mostly-female chain of command, and it was more difficult. Had a boss who decided I was a morale problem because I was willing to say what the whole department was thinking. Got called into the HR director's office once because I snapped at a co-worker in her earshot; no profanity mind you, just frustration. Not to say that there's anything wrong with women, but you can't cut loose on a female in a corporate environment without repercussions.

    In contrast I absolutely lost my shit in front of my current boss (who is a corporate VP) over a complete snafu that I'd seen coming, and warned all the responsible people about and planned against, and goddamn it if they didn't do the ONE THING, THE ONE GODDAMN THING I TOLD THEM TO NEVER DO, and he let me run down, slapped me on the back, and said, "Done is done, let's get it fixed" and we went on from there.

    Just nice to be in a situation where you can express your feelings, and sometimes there is a lot of profanity-inducing anger there, and not have to worry about your job. I'm pretty low key; I can keep it bottled up if I have to, but it makes for a less pleasant environment.
  • Working in the Navy (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Protonk ( 599901 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:04PM (#21011701) Homepage
    One of the best parts of being a sailor was, well...swearing like a sailor. But in the time that I was in, the powers that be decided that it wasn't in the best interest of the navy to have sailors acting like...well, sailors. So no carousing, smoking, swearing, etc. Swearing "wasn't professional" and it didn't reflect the best interests of the Navy. I've even seen a swear jar implemented. No joke.

    And this was on a submarine. No women. Limited cases of sexual harassment.

    Fuck that. You could always tell the fools in the Chief's quarters (think mid level management) by how well they hewed to these rules. If they smoked, drank and swore, they were usually good guys. If they were teetotaling pricks, then they were not to be trusted. This, more than almost any other metric, helped to determine good bosses from bad for us.
  • Re:In other words... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by elrous0 ( 869638 ) * on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:10PM (#21011809)
    Try working in an area that is almost 50/50 black and white sometime. The racial tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife. You have to be careful of every single sentence you utter. Even the most innocuous remark can get you into serious trouble. It's to the point that, if you do a collage for a bulletin board and you don't have an equal mix of black/white and male/female pictures on the board, you can get into real trouble (I bullshit you not, this has actually happened before--and not just once).

    It sucks because it puts me in an awkward position of having to find racially diverse photos for every publication (since I oversee most publication design). Anyone with any experience with stock photos knows that blacks are not exactly well represented, since they're harder to light than whites and are a small minority in most states. And having to do our own photos is expensive and a huge lighting nightmare (If you don't believe it, try lighting a photo with guy whose skin is coal black standing next to a guy who looks like he just stepped off the boat from Ireland sometime). And God help me if I don't parse every sentence in every publication carefully. Someone slips in the word "Niggardly" without me catching it, and I'm out the door.

  • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy.gmail@com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:12PM (#21011849) Journal
    It's about the office environment. If everyone is happy, and the bosses aren't sadists, then you don't get as much swearing. I swear when I get angry or frustrated, not when I'm hopping around, having a good day, feeling good about myself, etc.

    Profanity doesn't make for a bad environment; bad environments make for profanity. And a bad environment that stifles profanity is a terrible environment.
  • by cloricus ( 691063 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @12:16PM (#21011909)
    One thing that I really cannot stand is people who self censor or are scared to swear when it is socially acceptable (they deleted two days of work, or dropped a log on their foot). If you are going to swear do it, don't cross out letters, don't imply that is what would be there (for example the way they are editing it out of songs now your brain fills it in anyway). If you are not adult enough to brush off those who are so immature that they get offended you need to go back to high school and toughen up a bit.

    I'm still considering if it is wise to see if slashdot has a swear word filter. :P
  • by SatanicPuppy ( 611928 ) * <Satanicpuppy.gmail@com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @01:02PM (#21012631) Journal
    I always found it to be worse in the Northeast, because it is forever driven home that you are different different different, and you have to watch everything you say because everything that acknowledges that you are white and they are black is RACIST. You have to sit and pretend like there is no possible issue, and you worry about everything you say.

    As opposed to the South. Now, don't get me wrong, there is a lot of racism in the South, but the thing is, the fact that we know it's there makes it possible to actually acknowledge it instead of just sitting around pretending there is no problem. There are things you can actually talk about without worrying that people are immediately going to be offended.

    Just my opinion, but I've lived a decade in New York/New Jersey, and a decade in South Carolina/Georgia so I have a pretty deep perspective.
  • by Das Modell ( 969371 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @01:45PM (#21013291)
    What pisses the shit out of me is that telling someone to fuck off is considered rude and unacceptable, but offending someone without the use of swear words is totally a-ok. Someone once gravely insulted me without uttering one swear word, and in response I said "fuck you." Then she acted like I was completely out of line whereas she had done nothing wrong. WHAT THE FUCK?!
  • by UncleTogie ( 1004853 ) * on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @01:50PM (#21013387) Homepage Journal

    Agreed, with one modification...

    My grandfather served in the army, and relayed those same phrases to us, with "fouled" in place of "fucked". Kept everyone out of trouble if the CO's wife was around. His is actually my preferred version, as I can repeat it in polite company..

    ....but there are times where nothing fits but "WTF?!?"

  • by Rallion ( 711805 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @03:19PM (#21014679) Journal
    I agree, the taboo on certain words is ridiculous. Once, during a short stint in a retail position, I had a customer go off on me. Crazy. Huge rant, including phrases like, "you probably can't read," "mental defective," and many others. (In case you're wondering, it ultimately turned out that she had misread a price label.) The crazy (well, craziest) thing is this: as I stood there, somewhat stunned and very much unsure of how to react, a coworker came up and said something like, "Hey, don't you think that was pretty disrespectful and rude?" She responded, "No! I kept my language clean!" I laughed a little.

    Some people say that using 'bad' language is some kind of crutch. As I watch people, I see that it's more common for people use the avoidance of certain words as a justification for (sometimes intense) rudeness.
  • by Scarletdown ( 886459 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @03:22PM (#21014729) Journal

    Situation Normal, All Fucked Up. I think this one originated in the military around the time of the Korean War or Vietnam.
    SNAFU does date back to at least WWII. Otherwise Private SNAFU [wikipedia.org] would have been given a different name.

  • by Beardo the Bearded ( 321478 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @04:11PM (#21015511)
    I try my best not to swear. It's not because I'm afraid to swear or offend, but rather that I have two small children, aged 1.5 and 3.5. I'd like them to be a little older before they start dropping "motherfuckers". Thus, I try not to swear at work so I won't get into the habit and teach them words they aren't ready for. The older girl can speak rather eloquently about photosynthesis and trigonometry.

    That said, my dad taught me to swear during home renovations. "Fuckbuggerdamnpoo" was my favourite of all time. I'm looking forward to being able to pass it along to my kids.

    As for "things your dad should have taught you", here's Beardo's advice, son: (I might have known your mother)

    A) If you're worried about deleting two days of work, you should be using backups and source control.
    B) Wear steel-toed boots when there's a chance that something will drop on your foot.

    It's called prevention, and can be applied to almost all situations. You should try it sometime.
  • by coaxial ( 28297 ) on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @04:18PM (#21015611) Homepage
    On Februrary 26, 2000, on a slashnet IRC interview [slashnet.org], JWZ was asked about how swearing and flaming (specifically with respect to Netscape's Bad Attitude newsgroup and Really Bad Attitude [jwz.org] mailing list) fit within a corporate environment.

    His response has remained with me all these years:

    if you have a "corporate environment", then you've already lost the battle. likewise, if anyone ever refers to you or anyone you work with as "professional", then the coolness has left the building.
  • by SanityInAnarchy ( 655584 ) <ninja@slaphack.com> on Wednesday October 17, 2007 @09:03PM (#21019319) Journal

    One can use the word "fifteen" as many times as necessary without diminishing its utility.

    And it can also be misused and overused. Just think of the words "nine" and "eleven".

    The difference is, 9/11 attaches an emotional impact to meaningless numbers, while overuse of the word "fuck" removes the emotional impact from a word.

    But what does any of this have to do with it being antisocial or not? Seems to me, if it generally has a negative impact, and you reduce the emotional impact, that's a socially good thing to do...

  • by aproposofwhat ( 1019098 ) on Thursday October 18, 2007 @05:22AM (#21022341)
    "Battle of Hastings"?

    Those fucking French cocksuckers!

    Come over here cocky as fuck, shoot our good king Hal in the fucking eye with a fucking arrow, fachrissake - William the fucking bastard indeed!

    Dominate good old Anglo-Saxon with their fancy Lingua Fucking Franca, demonise the use of good English swearing in favour of 'Baise mon cul, messieur, s'il vous plait'?

    There - you've provoked an emotional response in me.

    9/11 on the other hand does nothing - I can't think of any noteable event that happened on November the 9th, so I am unmoved.

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