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Demonoid Torrent Tracker Shut Down by CRIA 222

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An anonymous reader writes "As of Tuesday, 25th September 2007, Demonoid is currently down, with no prior warnings from any moderators of the site. Both the main torrent page and the forum (fora) are no longer accessible. It is still possible to ping and trace the IP address of the site and it locates itself as in Canada. As of 6:45pm EST on 9-25-07, SSH and SMTP services are no longer active. Torrentfreak.com has since reported this is due to legal actions from the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) who ordered Demonoid's ISP to shut down the site."
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Demonoid Torrent Tracker Shut Down by CRIA

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  • by downix (84795) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:45AM (#20754675) Homepage
    This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes. You will run out of fingers (read funding) long before you ever patch up the holes in the wall that is DRM. We are in an era where the old rules of rights management can not survive. Pandoras Box is open, the cat is out of the bag, you cannot go back without causing more damage, if you can go back at all. Adapt or die.
    • by the_fat_kid (1094399) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:48AM (#20754719)
      I for one welcome our new dyke fingering overlords.

      ouch. that hurt just to say.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by LM741N (258038)
      I'm sure dykes are just as outraged about DRM as anyone else. But why pick them?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by kaos07 (1113443)
      Fingering the dyke? The CRIA is more like a c*ck up the arse.
    • by ElleyKitten (715519) <kittensunrise@ME ... com minus author> on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:11AM (#20754963) Journal

      This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands
      A dyke is a lesbian. A dike is a dam. No one read the rest of your post because they were distracted by thoughts of lesbians.
      • by GrayCalx (597428)
        A dyke is a lesbian.

        I was wondering why I got so aroused by his first sentence.

        This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes.
      • by MarcoAtWork (28889) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @01:18PM (#20757289)

        A dyke is a lesbian. A dike is a dam.

        actually that is not true, look it up in a dictionary and you'll see that dike and dyke are synonims.

        dyke
                  n 1: offensive terms for a lesbian who is noticeably masculine
                            [syn: butch, dike]
                  2: a barrier constructed to contain the flow or water or to
                        keep out the sea [syn: dam, dike, levee]
                  v : enclose with a dike; "dike the land to protect it from
                          water" [syn: dike]

        Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

        and from another

        dike
        noun {C} ANOTHER SPELLING OF
            dyke

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by Anonymous Coward

          actually that is not true, look it up in a dictionary and you'll see that dike and dyke are synonims.
          Though synonims and synonyms aren't synonyms.
    • by sjwaste (780063)
      Hey look, I found this book of cliches...
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      If we can hit that bull's-eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards ... Checkmate.
      - Zapp Brannigan
    • by Poromenos1 (830658) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @01:01PM (#20757087) Homepage

      This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes.

      I would appreciate it if you could point me to the direction of an available one.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Seumas (6865)
      Not really. Demonoid was a tremendous private tracker. There aren't a whole lot of those (much less ones that are huge and always have fully seeded content) around like Demonoid. Pirate Bay is fine, if you want to have your machine hammered from all the public trackers you'll continue to be listed as a seeder/peer on for weeks after you've stopped seeding/downloading the file. Not to mention, the crap you have to pour through to find something worthwhile.

      The funny thing is, I used Demonoid a lot. But I most
      • I'm with ya on that! If you can't find it seeded fully on Demonoid it's likely not worth bothering with. Good community to it too.
  • by trrwilson (1096985) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:47AM (#20754709)
    I feel a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
    • by sgant (178166)
      I feel a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, then remembered there are about a billion other sites for torrent files in the world and then they all just yawned and went about their day.
  • by bubblah (1095629) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:49AM (#20754731) Homepage
    last night techwag was reporting the same thing based off the torrent freak article, but a commenter pointed to a discussion out on http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ [thecircuitbox.com] which is basically an IRC chat that refutes the CRIA end of the story. The techwag article is here http://techwag.com/index.php/2007/09/25/bad-day-for-bittorrent-demonoid-shut-down/ [techwag.com] Yesterday was basically a bad day for Bittorrent, ISOHunt shut down trackers to american users, and demonoid out of service, for what ever reason, either because they were taken down by the ISP or they are having one of their outages that happens randomly, but every time they go down people think they got shut down because they were shut down almost a year ago by BRIEN. There really is no way to tell the truth in the story without getting someone from demonoid to talk about it, and so far, people from demonoid have been very hard to reach. Makes for an interesting story overall though.
  • No details yet... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pathological liar (659969) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:50AM (#20754743)
    This story is useless without details, and nobody has them yet.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:52AM (#20754771)
    http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ [thecircuitbox.com]

    For tl;dr types: Torrentfreak made it up, the box is down for unknown reasons. Nobody knows yet. Sorry.
    • by morgan_greywolf (835522) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:05AM (#20754903) Homepage Journal
      Nobody knows yet because Deimos hasn't said anything. But from what I see in an nmap scan:

      Starting Nmap 4.20 ( http://insecure.org/ [insecure.org] ) at 2007-09-26 09:54 Eastern Daylight Time
      Initiating Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 09:54
      Completed Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 09:54, 0.00s elapsed
      Initiating System CNAME DNS resolution of 1 host. at 09:54
      Completed System CNAME DNS resolution of 1 host. at 09:54, 0.00s elapsed
      Initiating SYN Stealth Scan at 09:54
      Scanning demonoid.com (209.44.123.21) [1697 ports]
      SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 6.25% done; ETC: 10:03 (0:07:43 remaining)
      Completed SYN Stealth Scan at 10:01, 401.57s elapsed (1697 total ports)
      Warning: OS detection for 209.44.123.21 will be MUCH less reliable because we did not find at least 1 open and 1 closed TCP port
      Initiating OS detection (try #1) against demonoid.com (209.44.123.21)
      Host demonoid.com (209.44.123.21) appears to be up ... good.
      Interesting ports on demonoid.com (209.44.123.21):
      Not shown: 1690 filtered ports
      PORT STATE SERVICE
      21/tcp closed ftp
      22/tcp closed ssh
      80/tcp closed http
      123/tcp closed ntp
      443/tcp closed https
      8000/tcp closed http-alt
      8080/tcp closed http-proxy
      Device type: general purpose
      Running: Linux 2.6.X, OpenBSD 4.X, Sun Solaris 10|8|9
      OS details: Linux 2.6.17.13 (Slackware 11.0, x86), OpenBSD 4.0 (CURRENT) macppc, OpenBSD 4.0 (sparc64), Sun Solaris 10 (SPARC), Sun Solaris 8 (SPARC), Sun Solaris 9 (SPARC), Sun Solaris 9 (x86), Sun Solaris 9 or 10

      OS detection performed. Please report any incorrect results at http://insecure.org/nmap/submit/ [insecure.org] .
      Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 405.503 seconds
                                    Raw packets sent: 5164 (229.400KB) | Rcvd: 76 (3496B)


      It looks like all the ports are firewalled off by the ISP. So while it's not confirmed, it's pretty obvious to anyone knowledgeable in network admin that the ISP firewalled off all the ports at someone's behest. Perhaps the CRIA, perhaps even Deimos himself.
      • What about that makes you think the ISP closed it off? I don't see a comparison of TTLs from when it worked to when it didn't, and 99% of the ISPs out there, if they're going to close something off, aren't going to send icmp-port-unreachable, they're just going to drop the packet. If I were the non-alarmist type that was also willing to make completely unfounded guesses, I'd say it looks like the box had some problems and came up in a single-user style mode with TCP connectivity.

  • While there are tons of trackers like TPB or Mininova, Demonoid was the best comic book's scans source.
    Let's hope they manage to get back online.
    • Aye.
      Probably 99% of the site benefit to me.
      I was so glad to find a source for the comics I grew up with (Adam Strange and others)... most of which either are or should be out of copyright after 45 to 50 years. The only way to get them hard copy would have been prohibitively expensive if even possible since many issues are not for sale often.
    • by gambolt (1146363) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:57AM (#20755443)
      People don't go to demonoid for Britteny Spears. They go for Jazz and Classical recordings that have not been available for purchase in the US for 20 years. They go for medical textbooks. I got a full Principa Mathmatica there for cripe's sake. It's where Americans get 30 year old BBC productions. I'd been wanting to see The Sweeny for years. I'd have paid for it given the chance.

      The copyright Nazis don't give a shit about 90% of what's there and 90% of the people using Demonoid don't give a shit about any of the stuff the copyright Nazis give a shit about.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Syberghost (10557)
        Oh come on. Read the comments on any TV show torrent and tell me Demonoid's users are there for medical textbooks. You are, maybe; but most of Demonoid's users are there for TV shows, current hollywood movies, Windows games, and comic books, to judge by the usual output of browsing the new torrents.
  • Speculation (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ilex (261136) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @09:52AM (#20754781)
    The latest speculation I heard on Torrentfreak 5 hours ago was that Demoniod was down due to a hardware failure and not a MAFIAA Hit squad. I haven't seen any statements from CRIA crowing about their victory which you would expect if they were really responsible.
  • Are You Sure? (Score:4, Informative)

    by fringd (120235) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:09AM (#20754933) Homepage
    As far as I know there is not any strong evidence that CRIA has done anything yet. The server is down, true, but I heard it's just a hard drive failure. Some demonoid people were complaining about the bad journalism reporting that the CRIA shut down demonoid, without anybody from demonoid saying this. Who is the source on this? Some nu.nl article? How do they know anything? Here [thecircuitbox.com] is an IRC log where demonoid staff give the torrentfreak admin a hard time for reprinting the nu.nl story about the CRIA without having confirmed it in any way. To be fair, at this point in time, the torrentfreak article [torrentfreak.com] uses the word "allegedly." maybe they changed it.
  • by Coraon (1080675) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:09AM (#20754935)
    The CRIA couldnt have shut them down here, I work for one of the few ISP's that could have handled their traffic, and the rules here state that if another company (read *IAA) wants to shut someone down/off the proper responce is to ask them for the MAC address, if they provide it then we shut *IAA off for illigaly obtaining information from our network, if they dont we say get it and call us back.... The big ISP's in Canada LOVE torrent sites, Trackers bring in ALOT of cash to the ISP's that shelter them.
    • the proper responce is to ask them for the MAC address, if they provide it then we shut *IAA off for illigaly obtaining information from our network

      how is getting a MAC address obtaining information illegally? If getting a MAC is illegal then getting the payload portion of a IP packet would also be illegal.
      • my mistake, i was thinking of something else ( src address )
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by Dr Caleb (121505)
          For those that don't know your revelation - MAC address are stripped by the first router they encounter. So, if the *iaa got a MAC address, they did so internal to the ISP's infrastructure. Therefore, they were illegally inside the ISP's network as there is no other way to obtain this address.

          'Entrapment' is a single edged razor. ;)
    • The big ISP's in Canada LOVE torrent sites, Trackers bring in ALOT of cash to the ISP's that shelter them.

      I highly doubt that. ISPs want you to buy their service, but they don't actually want you to use it for anything other than light web and email usage. I use Rogers and they are probably one of the worst offenders when it comes to throttling BitTorrent traffic. I can easily get 700-800kb/sec with certain web sites or ftps, yet I usually only get 25-50kb/sec with BitTorrent if I'm lucky. If ISPs loved Bit

  • I know... it's "wikipedia" but still...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonoid_(BitTorrent) [wikipedia.org]

    That's the word I'm seeing. And according to the article, this is essentially speculation.
  • Oh no, Demonoid is shut down! But we still have TPB, Suprnova, and mininova
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by sYkSh0n3 (722238)
      Well, lets just list all our favorite trackers so the MAFIAA can shut them down too! :)

      Actually, I would believe this is hardware failure before them being shutdown. Demonoid is always goin down for something.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @10:16AM (#20755011)
    Don't jump the gun, I've talked to #demonoid ops and they say nothing has been confirmed. Goto:

    irc://irc.p2p-network.net/demonoid

    #demonoid
  • I pondered this last night.

    For my needs (EQ, email, occasional funny video) a $17 AT&T DSL account would be fine. It's okay because of occasional torrent related surges that I keep my $55 cable line.

    • by Xest (935314)
      Yes, because without Bittorrent I'd just use the KAD/eMule networks or simply USENET or FTP for exactly the same purposes.

      Put simply, it doesn't matter if bittorrent vanishes overnight, there's still massive amounts of redundancy in terms of ways to get the content bittorrent provides, stopping bittorrent wont stop demand and as a result it sure as hell aint gonna stop supply.
  • what a joke (Score:2, Informative)

    by HipPriest93 (1158313)
    "Without torrent is there a need for high speed?"

    Are you dumb? P2P services like Soulseek and E-Mule are showing no signs of being even remotely effected by all this bullshit, and as long as P2P exists and the popularity of video hosting sites like YouTube and Google Video remains unchallenged, there will be a need for high speed.

    This whole article is poorly researched in any case:
    http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ [thecircuitbox.com]
  • Demonoid shit: (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kildjean (871084) on Wednesday September 26, 2007 @11:40AM (#20755997) Homepage
    Demonoid shit:

    Ok folks, here it is. Demonoid is down. It has been for around 1 day 2 hours. The reason is down is unkown. It hasnt been RAIDed, shutdown, terminated, deleted, burned, mamed, or thrown under a bridge. There have been speculation as demonoid.com whereabouts. Well the rurmors are false. A no name site in Netherlands has a blog about Demonoid.com being down. As I don't speak douche, I can not translate. However TorrentFreak Decided upon there own free will to further spread this and rumors. Torrent freak has known to be a sleazy site they post false rumors and hope they turn out true. They do this in order for money and popularity. Quite sad isn't it. To prove this is quite easy:

    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] .. Query with (ernesto)/(~info@P2PNET-41E95253.groni1.gr.home.nl) opened on (Tuesday, September 25th 2007, 18:00:54).
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] .. Total queries: (40)/(~0.7 per day)
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] .. Queries today: (1)
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] .. Common channels: (+#demonoid)
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
    [05:26] *seanap*
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] (ernesto) hi
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.01] (ernesto) it's ernesto from TF
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.05] (seanap) hello
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.27] (ernesto) brb 1 min
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.28] (seanap) are you part of the staff there?
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.01] (ernesto) I'm the staff
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.03] (ernesto) hehe
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.32] (seanap) that article is completely false.
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.39] (ernesto) well, I based my story on a respectable source
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.47] (ernesto) but I doubted it
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.55] (ernesto) so what's going on then?
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.05] (seanap) there hasn't been word yet
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.44] (seanap) the 2 IRC ops that are usually in contact with Deimos haven't been around
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.45] (ernesto) last time demonoid staff said it were hw problems you relocated to CAN
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.11] (ernesto) they said my story was false then too
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.20] (ernesto) but it turned out not to be
    [05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.46] (seanap) well i'm saying we as site and IRC staff haven't heard anything.. and we'd be the first people to hear
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.18] (ernesto) perhaps Deimos doesn't know it?
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.21] (ernesto) yet
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.28] (seanap) so i don't think you should be reporting unconfirmed things, the IRC is going insane.. almost double the amount of users in a day
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.32] (ernesto) that was exactly how it happened last time
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.04] (ernesto) nu.nl is the biggest news source in NL
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.12] (ernesto) they might have inside info
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.21] (seanap) form who?! we are the inside
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.22] (ernesto) from the isp or the CRIA
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.41] (ernesto) the ISP probably firewalled the servers
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.52] (ernesto) after some seriuos legal threats
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.04] (ernesto) it's not unlikely
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this is all I have
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
    [05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this i
    • I can speak some dutch, and that link adds nothing new that isn't in the summary. Well, except for a link explaining how Demoniod was taken down previously by Brein (the dutch consumerscrewing association).
  • Really, this is a non-news item. Why waste our time with rumors?

    If you read what the people behind Demonoid say, they're not sure what is happening right now.

    Just because one site on the Internet decides to post non-sense, Slashdot shouldn't chase after it.

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