Opera 9.5 Beats Firefox and IE7 As Fastest Browser 510
Abhinav Peddada writes "Ars Technica takes Opera 9.5, the latest from Opera's stable, for a test run and finds some interesting results, including it being a 'solid improvement to an already very strong browser.' On the performance front, Ars Technica reports 'Opera 9.5 scored slightly higher (281ms) than the previous released version, 9.23 (546ms). And Opera 9.x, let it be known, smacks silly the likes of Firefox and Internet Explorer, which tend to have results in the 900-1500ms range on this test machine (a 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM). Opera was 50 percent faster on average than Firefox, and 100 percent faster than IE7 on Windows Vista, for instance.'"
Wasn't that always the case? (Score:3, Interesting)
Grade article: incomplete (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm not expecting them to try Lynx or anything, but at least test Safari on Windows? The one that also claims to be fast?
Those numbers mean nothing... (Score:5, Interesting)
Now my question is, how significant is ~500 ms for these tests? All I care about is how long it takes to load a typical webpage I surf, and for me, Firefox seems almost instantaneous for most pages. "Smacks silly" my be an overstatement.
Re:Article is very misleading - JS benchmark only (Score:5, Interesting)
Regarding text rendering... What bugs me is that since the first Firefox, every so often, you get a horisontal line which is skewed by one pixel. This happens on both Linux and Windows, on different machines, with different fonts, with all Gecko engines. When this happens between lines, it's not TOO bad -- it just looks odd when there's suddenly a pixel more space between two lines than all the others, but when it happens in the text itself, it's VERY noticable. And if you select the text on that line and unselect it again, the problem goes away. It's like the rendering engine pre-calculates how much vertical space to set aside for the text in order to to increase rendering speed. Then, when drawing the text, the actual result never matches the space, so it duplicates or chops lines at random intervals until it the text fits. I'd rather wait a little longer and avoid this problem.
and? (Score:2, Interesting)
But, if they were to GPL it.....
rhY
Re:Opera faster _with JavaScript_ (Score:5, Interesting)
Not to mention that Opera 9.x is one of the only stable browsers with tentative support for HTML 5.
I get a kick out of FF fans on this site. FF is by no means bad, but Opera clearly has areas where it consistently outshines the open-source browser. Before, people used to say "I don't like ads in my browser" as an excuse for not using it. Then when it became free, it was "I use lots of GreaseMonkey scripts", despite the fact that you can use most GM scripts in Opera too.
Opera leads the way for most browsing achievements, and they show no signs of stopping. I've been using it since version 6, and though I give FF a whirl every
Re:Resource-conservation, not speed (Score:5, Interesting)
It works quite well, and a lot better than most browsers on portable devices.
Thank you, Opera !
Re:its all about the addons (Score:5, Interesting)
Right-click --> Block content
F12 --> Enable plug-ins
F12 --> Enable JavaScript
If you need to do any of these on a per-site basis: F12 --> Edit site preferences. Additionally you can also switch off:
You can change these settings for one site or all sites. Now is that enough for you, or do Opera need to call this functionality 'adblock plus', 'flashblock' and 'noscript' and supply it in addon form? :-)
The WebKit implementation is superior IMO (Score:5, Interesting)
I've written both simple demos [iaincollins.com] and fairly sophisticated JavaScript apps [google.co.uk] (which can do Sim City / Civilization 2.5 isometric views like this [googlegroups.com] - and render them extremely quickly so you that you can pan around the environment as if it was a native title)).
When it comes to looping through a large array of arrays (e.g. the terrain tile detail in one of the above examples), applying style or class attributes to DOM elements, creating or moving DOM elements on a page and dealing with event handlers Safari wins hands down, followed by FireFox, Opera and IE (in all respects). The "Opera is the fastest" claim holds very little weight with me having compared them. What Opera has is a very fast UI that's extremely responsive, which is all a bit smoke and mirrors really. It's not particularly fast at script execution or object manipulation as soon as things get interesting (it lags behind Safari and FireFox certainly, but it's still far ahead of IE), and of course it renders perfectly valid pages very differently from Safari and FireFox (for which is sometimes possible to blame ambiguities in the standards, but that it doesn't follow the lead of Gecko/KHTML/Webkit or IE is a bit annoying - though do I appreciate the complexity involved).
Re:Article is very misleading - JS benchmark only (Score:2, Interesting)
I do like CSS, but it seemingly hasn't covered all bases yet.
Cheers.
Re:Article is very misleading - JS benchmark only (Score:2, Interesting)
The memory figures especially were impressive.
I tested Digg.com etc which are browser murderers as you may guess.
Re:its all about the addons (Score:3, Interesting)
There is a UserJS somewhere (userjs.org?) to introduce Flashblock-like functionality.
Opera 9.x natively supports per-site JS and plugins blocking, and CSS as well. But OK, there is no status bar icon.
You don't need the "Down Them All" plugin. Press Ctrl+Alt+L and you have a new tab with links on the current page. You can even filter them. Then just select whatever you want and download.
More conclusive tests (Score:3, Interesting)
And remember, this is an *alpha* release.
Re:I'm fed up with the anti-Opera crap here... (Score:2, Interesting)
Well, I'm always willing to appreciate good technology whatever the source. For example, I'll readily admit that .NET and Visual Studio are top quality products, even if they do come from a convicted monopolist. Opera, too, is an excellent product, and I used it BF (Before Firefox) with pleasure and persuaded some friends as well.
That said, I value my freedom enough that the closed source nature of both of the above products seriously diminishes their value to me. I'm not a hard-nosed RMS wannabe - I use some closed source, such as Flash plug-ins and non-free video drivers, because they work so well - but when a free option is good enough (and Firefox, like virtually all packages in my current distro of choice, is far better than "good enough"), I personally prefer to support free software with my usage, bug reports, and cash.
Perhaps one day soon, I can use a 100% free-as-in-speech distro without compromising any functionality at all. I'll celebrate the day. But that's my choice.
YMMV.
Re:Wasn't that always the case? (Score:0, Interesting)
Opera 9.5 alpha: interactivity test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: ACID2 test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: long life running test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: anti-exploit test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: javascript test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: ActionScript3 test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Flashmedia test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Music player test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Video player test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Rendering test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Startup timing test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: RealTime responsive test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Security test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Alarming test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Messaging test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Backup test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Overheating test: Failed.
Opera 9.5 alpha: Speed test: OK. Eureka!!!
Conclusion: Opera 9.5 alpha is definitively an exploiter web application.
Re:Grade article: incomplete (Score:3, Interesting)
FF is the only one to choke so easily rendering larger pages, you know. Unfortunately.
Even before 9.5, Opera still beat the crap out of Firefox in CPU/RAM usage, but then, so did IE.
I still like Firefox
Re:Resource-conservation, not speed (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Different market (Score:1, Interesting)
I just switched from FF to Opera because of its low market share numbers - which was the same reason I switched from IE to FF when the FF market was about 2%.
How is that "slightly higher"??? (Score:1, Interesting)
Man, that's not slightly higher. If you routinely open a lot of tabs, like I do (there's a convenient pane called "links" under tools, you just open it, select the ones you want (I just select all), and open them all in a background tab, the difference will be like this:
It'll be like going from a 3 GHz processor to a 6 GHz processor! No, really! I really do wait for this many (and more! sometimes hundreds of) vanilla, locally saved, HTML pages to load in Opera
[so I can page through them like a book, with numpad 1 and 2 for forward and back - but maybe that's just me. Anyone else read a few weeks worth of slashdot like this? (for example)]
Re:Wasn't that always the case? (Score:3, Interesting)
Opera uses commercial Qt license of course.
Re:Different market (Score:4, Interesting)
+ Adblock + a few other things, and that 'slight increase in speed' might start to look like a supersonic jet outrunning a kid with a wheelbarrow. A wheelbarrow with a lot of nifty stuff on it, sure, but still
Re:Article is very misleading - JS benchmark only (Score:3, Interesting)
I downloaded it when I first read this article. Then I went away for an hour and used it oing my normal
daily sstuff.
Holy shit it's fast. Some site, just plain html and lots of graphics are a bit faster then before.
Sites with lots of ms generated js are unbelievably faster. Opera's always impressed me with its speed but I've never seen a speed increase likt this. Kudos.
I use Firefox(XP) at home, Opera(Redhat) at work (Score:3, Interesting)
Like when you are looking at a page and you see something to search for, highlight and right click search for....
In Firefox you automatically get a new tab with the search, which is what I want. Opera overwrites the page you were reading with the search. Other features work similarly. You can hold down alt or something and get what you want.
Similarly with bookmarks. Firefox I middle click a bookmark in my bookmark bar and I get a new tab. Opera, nothing happens, if I left click it over-writes my current page. Seeing a pattern
Search in page. Firefox much better implementation with obvious highlighting.
Speed isn't enough to win me back.
So why use Opera at work. It is stable. Firefox crashes all the time on my Redhat corporate install. Perhaps something wrong with the Redhat because I have tried out IT supplied Firefox and my own DL copy with the same results.
A lot was stolen from Opera, it is time for Opera to steal back with some of the better interface elements of firefox.
Re:Wasn't that always the case? (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Wasn't that always the case? (Score:1, Interesting)