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Only 25% of Firefox Downloaders Are 'Active Users' 294

bheer writes "The Guardian points out a page on the Mozilla wiki noting that 'only 50% of the people downloading Firefox actually try it out, and only a further half of those continue to use it actively.' ZDNet has some commentary on the browser's retention rate. While a 25% retention rate isn't necessarily bad, Mozilla is trying to improve these figures with a 12 point plan that includes more TV and media advertising, a better start page and several installation tweaks."
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Only 25% of Firefox Downloaders Are 'Active Users'

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  • Why download? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by oxidiser ( 1118877 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:45PM (#20186399)
    Why bother downloading it if you aren't going to try it? Is this a common thing? I can only recall maybe a couple of things in my entire life I've downloaded and not checked out.
  • by Andrewkov ( 140579 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:47PM (#20186427)
    I use Firefox as my main browser, but I've downloaded it many times to different PC's (which I may use only occasionally). I wonder how this affects their numbers.
  • by decriptor ( 762523 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:48PM (#20186433) Homepage
    What about the times that people download it once (IT shops) and install it on hundreds of computers(ok not always that many, but enough to mess up these stats)
  • by croddy ( 659025 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:52PM (#20186505)

    Think about what the internet was like in 2002, when Mozilla 1.0 was first released. We encountered IE-only sites daily, Safari didn't exist, and MSIE definitively dominated the web landscape. Anyone complaining to a bank or power company about a Mozilla problem just claimed to be using Netscape -- the Gecko browser people had actually heard of -- and rarely got anywhere. Those of us using Mozilla preferred it for a variety of reasons, and hoped for wider adoption so that our preferred browser would receive acceptable support from webmasters.

    Today, Firefox is a decidedly mainstream browser, listed on most "supported browser" lists, and Firefox-only sites are about as common now as the remaining IE-only sites. Do we need more adoption? If Firefox is serving its existing users well, is it worth the cost of an advertising blitz to capture a few more?

  • Re:Why download? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by moore.dustin ( 942289 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:55PM (#20186541) Homepage
    Of course this is common. These people not using FF after downloading are the same people that have AOL icons on their desktop they never use. Have old trial version software all over their comp, pre-installed or not. As nerds and geeks, we usually uninstall stuff we do not need, but you are telling you that you have installed and used everything you have downloaded? I know I run a pretty tight ship when it comes to my machines, but I know I have downloaded things and not used them for whatever reason.

    Back to the average Joe, they do this way more often then us. They get the link to download for whatever reason and download it with good intention, but not everyone installs it. Of those that do install, they try to use it, realize it is too different or whatever and go back to IE without bothering to uninstall... that is not important to them. To them, having 100 programs installed is the same as 1 - they know no better.

    If you realize that you, being a slashdot reading computer user, are not the "average computer user" then you may be able to put these numbers into perspective and understand how they came to be.
  • Re:Why download? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Scoth ( 879800 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @02:59PM (#20186601)
    I've been sitting with "average" users while they show me something or try something and you'd be surprised how many of them click on something that sounds neat that they want to try, it downloads, they close the download window, then say something like "Where'd it go? Oh well..." then move on to something else. This was partly the rational for Firefox's default to download straight to the desktop.

    I'd bet some people are downloading the installer, lose it, and just never bother to find it.
  • by lawpoop ( 604919 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @03:01PM (#20186653) Homepage Journal

    What about the times that people download it once (IT shops) and install it on hundreds of computers(ok not always that many, but enough to mess up these stats)
    Wouldn't that boost the numbers of long-term users?

    If you have a home computer, and the user downloads firefox and keeps using it, you have a long-term usage ratio of 100% per download.

    If a sysadmin downloads a single copy of firefox, installs it on 10 computers, and 3 long-term users develop out of that, you then have a 300% ratio per download. However, you only have a 30% ratio per installation. One download, 10 installs, 3 users.
  • by JeremyGNJ ( 1102465 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @03:04PM (#20186719)
    I made my first comment without reading the full article. Now that I read it, I'm thoroughly amused!!!

    It seems that Mozilla is "finally get it", and in the process, going against some of the things that the OSS community generally detests. I'll comment on their 12-step program (just the ones i find interesting):

    1. Change Firefox icon label to closer resemble action of getting to web
    Wow! They finally realized that the name "Firefox" doesn't make ANY connection to the internet for standard users.
    2. Force the Firefox icon to easier to find location
    ha! They're going to load down systems with icons to Firefox EVERYWHERE on a person's machine. I guess they figured they'd follow the lead of Real Player.....everyone loves how the real player icons show up everywhere.
    7. Make common plug-ins work out of the box
    In other words...they're going to consider Firefox to be "Firefox plus the top few plug-ins as a package", at least for comparison purposes and feature lists. Wasn't Firefox supposed to be the Non-bloated sister of Mozilla? Someone's lost their way.
    9. Make the web feel more human
    Let's add a bunch of eye-candy to use up CPU cycles of all these Dual-Core processors! Why not, people like Vista!
    11. Stickier start page
    We're going to make it hard to change your start page, you know...like MSN
  • by GeckoX ( 259575 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @03:23PM (#20187003)
    Not very likely anymore.

    a) Rarely if ever needed anymore. (For IE only sites, spoofing probably won't make that ActiveX control work anyways)

    and b) The day where most FF users were that technically inclined have passed. Average joe's using FF would have no idea that could even be done. (Or care...see a )
  • by AuMatar ( 183847 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @03:33PM (#20187119)
    Why does that matter? I just want my browser to work, be relatively fast, and relatively bug free. It could look like it was written for the Atari 2600, so long as those 3 are true. I really don't give a shit which widget set an app uses.
  • Opera troll (Score:4, Insightful)

    by megaditto ( 982598 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @04:09PM (#20187685)
    Well, maybe if they allowed one to install FF without having being an admin and without having to download some 20 plugins each time to just get the basic functionality of a default Opera install...
  • Re:Alright! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 10, 2007 @04:27PM (#20188005)
    The typical Windows user is logged on as an Administrator, out of the box. Therefore the typical Windows user will never see this issue, nor need to work around it.

    Those who don't login as an administrator either know what they're doing (and therefore have the skills to understand the problem), or they're a large enough business that their IT department should be familiar with problems like this. Firefox is hardly the only program that expects to be able to write to it's program directory, which isn't allowed by normal users.

    Now, logically, since you are a technical user, and set your primary account as a normal user, you should know that normal users can't write to %ProgramFiles%. Therefore when you attempt to run an update, that you know damn well requires writing files out to %ProgramFiles%, you shouldn't be surprised to see problems or errors.

    Instead of giving your normal user account full access to the program directory, you should maintain security and install updates after logging in as an administrator. The normal user can see when an update is available, which gives you the push to login as an administrator and install it, but obviously the normal user shouldn't be able to do it.

    That everyone pointed to every other problem under the sun instead of this illustrates the overwhelming number of Windows users who run as administrator. I've got a couple dozen programs installed that refuse to run if the logged in account isn't an administrator. At least Firefox manages functions just fine for everything except program updates.
  • Re:Opera troll (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bunratty ( 545641 ) on Friday August 10, 2007 @04:59PM (#20188545)

    The plugin gripe is point 7 of the 12-point plan:

    7. Make common plug-ins work out of the box

    Isn't the purpose of giving users non-admin accounts on computers, though, to prevent them from doing things such as installing unauthorized applications? Anyway, if you want to run Firefox on a machine without authorization, just use Portable Firefox [portableapps.com]. If you want to install applications on your own computer, I would expect you would login as an admin.

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