Microsoft Moves in on the Graphics Market 237
Ian Lamont writes "Microsoft has quietly been building up graphics-related R&D, reports Computerworld, noting that Microsoft employees will be presenting one out of every eight papers at SIGGRAPH 2007. And it's not a fluke — other recent Microsoft graphics-related developments include Photosynth, which has been discussed on Slashdot several times, as well as the Silverlight/Expression Studio graphics suite, which will compete with Adobe's Flash/Illustrator/Lightroom/Dreamweaver offerings. At SIGGRAPH, Microsoft will supposedly have demos of some new software including image deblurring tools and Soft Scissors, which 'solves the vexing problem of how to cut and paste an image from one background to another if the image's edges — hair blowing in the wind, blades of grass — are very complex.' Microsoft's competitors aren't sitting down. Adobe's CEO, calling Microsoft a '$50 billion monopolist,' has questioned whether Silverlight will be compatible with non-Windows operating systems, and Google has also been building up its own graphics-related software products, such as the 3D modeling tool SketchUp, and Google Earth."
Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:4, Insightful)
Multiplatform Flash? (Score:5, Insightful)
Compatibility... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Adobe's CEO ... has questioned whether Silverlight will be compatible with non-Windows operating systems"
Because I've neeever had problems with Flash on my Linux machine...
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:2, Insightful)
And, FWIW, Dreamweaver isn't good either, it's just the best of a bad bunch.
cross platform oncre and for all time (Score:3, Insightful)
Silverlight has been cross-platform since launch. The Adobe CEO questioned whether this would persist. Microsoft didn't invest on porting a subset of the
I have to agree. (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't bitch about how the bad monopoly is being mean to you when you aren't doing anything much to help the nascent competition.
Paying one programmer to port and support your apps on other platforms does more than all the public whining about how Microsoft is being mean.
Correct me if I'm wrong (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't see anyone losing if there's two professional-quality graphics applications competing with each other. Except possibly Adobe's share price.
Re:Multiplatform Flash? (Score:3, Insightful)
They should stop complaining about MS monopoly when they are one of the major contributing factors towards preventing people moving away from MS products. Even Mac users are treated as second class citizens behind Windows users these days.
Plus, if they want to compete, more on better technology and less on publicity. Calling MS a "monopolist" isn't going to make it go away.
Re:THis could be good news! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:cross platform oncre and for all time (Score:2, Insightful)
dumb companies... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:cross platform oncre and for all time (Score:5, Insightful)
Just desserts... (Score:5, Insightful)
Did they really believe that microsoft wouldn't move in on their territory sooner or later?
Mod parent up (Score:5, Insightful)
This is one of the reasons I think Mono is a bad idea. All Microsoft has to do is be friendly to Mono, until everyone drops their guard and decides it's okay to develop in dotNET. Then, all they need to do is start enforcing their patents, and it's all over...
Re:If I Were Adobe (Score:3, Insightful)
If adobe had ported their apps several years ago, than microsoft's position within this market would be much weaker making it a lot harder for them to force adobe out in the way they're now trying.
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:3, Insightful)
I went to one day of Microsoft's Pro Photo Summit last month and I get the impression they are quite serious about this. More so than in the past.
Adobe barks about MS Monopoly? WTF? (Score:5, Insightful)
Image editing? Photoshop. Sure there's GIMP, but frankly, GIMP sucks and has no value outside of RGB colour space. There are a few other apps, (Painter, Corel, etc.) but the POINT is: pros use Photoshop because it is the best. Period.
Bezier Curve? Illustrator. There used to be a better app, Freehand, but it died in the Macromedia acquisition.
Page Layout? Sure, there's Quark, but everyone HATES Quark, and InDesign does the job. So, that's not a monopoly, yet...
Web Design? Dreamweaver. nuff said.
Web based animation? Flash.
Adobe completely dominates the graphic design industry, and for Adobe to make noises about MS being some kind of a monopoly is simply ludicrous.
RS
Re:Multiplatform Flash? (Score:2, Insightful)
Citations, please.
To Microsoft, an 'open standard' is one in which they get to hide certain details so that only their implementation works properly, of course. In Microsoft-speak 'cross-platform' (which is a term used on the Silverlight MSDN site) means that it runs on Windows XP and on Windows Vista.
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:5, Insightful)
How about professional graphic artists and other who have to exchange files between the two suites all the time? I'm pretty sure they'll lose:
-Money. They'll have to buy both suites.
-Money. They'll have to keep two platforms and three binaries around if they're a Mac shop, and they'll have to have someone manage all of it.
-Productivity. Even if interoperable somehow, converting from one tool/platform to another rarely goes smoothly.
-Time. It'll all take longer.
Adobe does a great job with it's tools. I'd love to see someone develop something from the ground up that does most of what Photoshop or (insert your favoite Adobe tool here) using the same file formats Adobe currently uses.
Microsoft, however, is known for mediocre approaches using mediocre tools. I'm not eager to see what they plan to do using new file formats and new approaches. I'll be the first to admit it i I'm wrong, but all I see happenening is a repeat of the desktop publishing market in the early-to-mid 90s: lots of different software, lots of delays, and lots of clueless newbies who think that because it says "Microsoft", it's automagically an accepted standard.
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:5, Insightful)
Will this stuff run on a Mac? Where the vast majority of creative work is done? Of course not.... except through Boot Camp or Paralells. They're starting off handicapped from the get-go. This whole suite of apps and delivery methods is still born. They are only trying to make some cash and that is not a good motivating factor for making software. Having a good idea that meets the needs of your customers and then building the tool for them and pricing it accordingly to make a profit is the far better approach.
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:4, Insightful)
500 lb gorilla or... (Score:2, Insightful)
If the previous mainstream outside-the-OS/Office ventures of MS are any indication (see Xbox, Zune, et al) though, it's competitor(Adobe here) is going to put up a serious fight, and the consumer will enjoy the effects of the competition, just like if we got to watch an actual 500 lb gorilla and an actual 15,000 lb elephant fight...
Hmmm...time to go search the YouTube...
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:3, Insightful)
Unacceptable - 64-bit is solidly here now, even my non-technical mom, and my son's daycare provider, both have 64-bit machines. (Albeit with 32 bit XP on them)
Much as I dislike a lot of stuff about Microsoft, I'm sold on Silverlight. Adobe's apparently ignoring the evolution of their products. I am very sick of getting "Click here to install the Flash plug-in", only to see their lame excuse "We're working on it". Give us at least a crappy beta version guys...
Re:Mod parent up (Score:4, Insightful)
Look into Flex and even AIR. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:3, Insightful)
Really, I don't see them moving to 64-bit until they actually have reason to. Either MS forces the issue (by abandoning 32-bit) or memory requirements force the issue.
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:1, Insightful)
Why we should welcome
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft might be a monopolist... (Score:4, Insightful)
When most of the creative types out there are using Macs and Adobe software, M$ doesn't have the same leverage... they don't don't have Windows to tip things in their favor and gain the dominance they want.
When M$ wants into the niche markets, they always have a hard time. When they want to get into a field that every average user is in, they just make it free in Windows and BANG! Instant market domination.
They're getting their asses handed to them in the video game console war... they're a non-entry in the portable entertainment device arena and they're struggling in search services.
They're not invincible and in the niche markets, where people care about quality. They really really struggle because they a) don't care about those customers and b) just don't understand them. Making a tool cheap or even free isn't going to make people flock to it. If that were the case we'd all be singing the praises of GIMP on Linux and have no clue what Photoshop is.
People who need the tools and a high standard of reliability will flock to the tools that provide that. Adobe is a company that provides tools of that caliber.... and they are worth every penny! Microsoft doesn't give a rats ass about quality, all they care about is market share and income streams... if they had their way, they'd give up software altogether and find a way to have congress force us to pay them money for no reason.