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An anonymous reader writes "The Mozilla Corporation has released Thunderbird 2.0.0. Among the improvements are Message Tagging, updated UI, Advanced Folder Views, Better New Mail Notification and Full Support for Windows Vista and 64-bit versions of Windows."
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  • How many people, aside from the slashdot crowd, actually use POP3/SMTP clients anymore (at home, not work)? Isn't some ridiculous amount like 90% using gmail/hotmail/yahoo mail/aol mail/etc?

    • Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:09AM (#18795939)
      I do

    • Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by vivaoporto ( 1064484 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:15AM (#18795985)
      I use Thunderbird to download my POP3 email and my Webmail at home. I have multiple POP3 accounts from my ISP, and a couple of GMail ones too, and my wife have one from Hotmail, one from Yahoo and one from her job. I shared the thunderbird profile between my Linux partition and her Windows partition so, no matter what partition we booted on, our email is all there. This is a way to save time and get all email with a One Click (tm) without having to surf through several ad-infected pages to read a couple of messages. All props to thunderbird, for providing this useful piece of software for free (as in speech and as in beer).

    • Re:Good for them, but... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MoonFog ( 586818 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:15AM (#18795991)
      Most I know (that don't frequent slashdot) use the emails they get from their ISP's, which are mostly set up with POP3 or IMAP and they don't really know much or care about Gmail and the likes apart from using them as log-ins to chat applications.

    • IMAP (Score:4, Insightful)

      by duguk ( 589689 ) <dug@frag.co.CURIEuk minus physicist> on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:20AM (#18796015) Homepage Journal
      I use IMAP and Thunderbird - and so do all my customers. POP3 is just way too insecure, Outlook is sucky and Thunderbird is the perfect solution.

      Maybe think before you write such generalising statements.

      Monkeyboi

      • Re:IMAP (Score:4, Informative)

        by jimstapleton ( 999106 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:25AM (#18796061) Journal
        actually, he was commenting on webmail as the competing factor, not Outlook.

        Personally, on Windows, I use Outlook Express (set to not auto-preview emails), because thunderbird wasn't deleting mails from the server as it was supposed to (everything over 5 days old), and seemed to corrupt my mail local mail store every week or two (TBird 1.5). In BSD I use KMail.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by kobaz ( 107760 )
        I use IMAP and Thunderbird - and so do all my customers. POP3 is just way too insecure, Outlook is sucky and Thunderbird is the perfect solution.

        I don't know about you, but my pop3 server has SSL/TLS support (Courier). But mostly I use SSL IMAP anyway.

      • Re:IMAP (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Gr8Apes ( 679165 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:58AM (#18796411)

        I use IMAP and Thunderbird - and so do all my customers. POP3 is just way too insecure, Outlook is sucky and Thunderbird is the perfect solution.
        Outlook sucks rocks yes, but Thunderbird 1.5 wasn't a shining beacon either. There's several UI decisions that just suck rocks in Thunderbird (search kinda blows, although worlds better than Outlook). Mac's Mail is better in some ways, but it's not the panacea I'm looking for either. I still feel like I'm in circa 1992 with Eudora. Mail clients have essentially stagnated since then with very little improvement from a user perspective. Maybe TB 2.0 will fix that. I'll be looking forward to trying it out.

        POP3 is perfectly secure in SSL mode. IMAP is supposed to add some features, but is not inherently more secure than POP3.

        Maybe think before you write such generalising statements.
        As should you.

      • POP3 is just way too insecure


        You could always use this. [mozilla.org]

    • Re:Good for them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by bWareiWare.co.uk ( 660144 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:21AM (#18796023) Homepage
      You don't need to be technical to recognise usability. Non-technical users are probably the core market of desktop readers.

      Also I would hope the slashdot crowd use IMAP/SMTP, POP3 is terribly limited if you want to read your mail from more then one device.
      • Not really, I have my clients leave the mail on the server for 3+ days, depending on the server and the mail I get.

        It keeps the server uncloged, and all my devices get my mail. The server is set to use encrypted transfer (including passwords), so it's secure as well.
        • This does not allow you to mark mail as read accross devices, or sort it into folders. What is the advantage?
          • (1) each device will get a copy of the mail, so I'm not sure what "across devices" means
            (2) For decades, pretty much *every* mail client could sort mail into folders, locally
            (3) Most mail clients also have filters to auto-sort mail, which I have set up on each machine
            (4) All my mails are on all my machines, with minimal effort
            (5) My mails are not on the server for long where it's easier for a hacker to get to them
            (6) My mails are not on a server where they are taking up space and pissing off the admin.

            • Re:Good for them, but... (Score:4, Insightful)

              by bWareiWare.co.uk ( 660144 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @09:13AM (#18796603) Homepage
              Didn't mean to start a flame war.

              Everyone has to occasionally sort a mail by hand. With IMAP if I move a mail into a folder on one device it moves on all the other devices, with POP3 I have to move it on each device.

              With IMAP I can see which mail I have already read from any device, this sounds simple, but for most people is very useful.

              I can see that using less storage on the server could be vital. But for most people storing a mail once on the server is going be better then storing a copy on every client. I know my mail server has considerably more space then some of my clients (i.e. phone).

              If I was worried about the privacy of my mail archive I would encrypt it, wherever it was stored.
              • I didn't mean that as a flame, those are the reasons I use POP3.

                I don't actually use my phone for mail, so that's never been a problem. I also have a relatively low mail volume on th eonly accounts I would check in multiple places, so I know what I've already read. Most of my conversations are still based on that thing I don't use for mail...

      • Non-technical users are probably the core market of desktop readers.
        Clearly, you don't know too many non-technical users.
    • I'd say about 2/3rds of the people I know who aren't /.ers

      many of them /also/ have webmail, but not all of them.

    • How many people, aside from the slashdot crowd, actually use POP3/SMTP clients anymore (at home, not work)? Isn't some ridiculous amount like 90% using gmail/hotmail/yahoo mail/aol mail/etc?

      I'd say only college kids and people who either pay for good indie ISPs (or run their own server) have the luxury of using actual non-http email services. For what it's worth, for most of the major online email providers, there's a service to scrape from the html interface - I used to use YoSucker back in the day when

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Your_Mom ( 94238 )
      Webmail is great, until you want to get your mail on a mobile device or a slow connection. Then it's painful.

      IMAP over SSL allows me to keep my INBOX synced between my work computer using portableapps, my HTC Wizard, and my computer at home. And because I run my own server. I still have more storage space Gmail too. :)

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Ngarrang ( 1023425 )
      There is still a place for a mail client like Thunderbird, even if you use Gmail. What if you want to reference an e-mail message, but gmail is having problems at that time...and it is critical that you find it NOW? Also, having a client like Thunderbird allows you to only have to use your internet connection intermittently, like for folks still stuck with dial-up.

      Thunderbird also offers more filtering options than the web providers, for those who depend on filtering to keep their inbox sane.

      My wife uses

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Yvanhoe ( 564877 )
      Commercial people from my company usually use a webmail for personal mails but outlook or thunderbird for their professional mail. Why ? because they use laptops and cannot depend on web connectivity to write emails.
    • It's a bit weird asking the /. crowd what everyone apart from the /. crowd thinks. I doubt many people here have the ability to think as a non techie noob. Maybe someone knows the statistics though.. At work I use an Exchange server anyway =p

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jonr ( 1130 )
      I use fetchmail to get mail from several pop3 accounts, and dump them on my local server, then I use IMAP there.
    • well I am in the slashdot crowd, but then again I wrote this same thing when this question was asked about webmail.

      I use thunderbird and webmail together, actually using gmail for it. I have 2 accounts, one is for business, one is places that will likely spam me (three in reality but one is not being used right now) and having to switch between the two is a pain and a half so instead of forwarding or doing hocus pocus to read both at the same time I use thunderbird to get both feeds at the same time.) I s
    • from a long-time, mostly-happy 1.5 user: they messed with the GUI too much, and only 1 of 5 vital extensions I use is compatible. so I'm left with less functionality, and no new functionality that makes the upgrade worthwhile.

  • So far so good (Score:5, Informative)

    by BuR4N ( 512430 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:07AM (#18795923) Journal
    Have been using it (2.0) for a day now and so far its a really nice experiance.

    The greatest thing with Thunderbird is its "simplicity" (do not confuse with "simple, bare minimum") it just very easy to get into and when you'r ready there is allot of usefull features that the advanced user appricate.

    Having used 1.5 for a long period of time its also one of the more stable programs I'v use every day, havnt so far seen a crash or something that dosnt work as intended.

    • Having used 1.5 for a long period of time its also one of the more stable programs I'v use every day, havnt so far seen a crash or something that dosnt work as intended.

      Do you know whether they've fixed the mess that is "compacting folders" for TB2?

      I got very bored of having to manually hack index files because something an end-user should never have to know about wasn't happening and TB 1.5 broke in various ways. I then discovered that you can make it auto-prompt to remind you to compact folders at l

  • Yikes! (Score:2, Funny)

    by ez76 ( 322080 )
    Folder views? New mail notification?

    Watch your back, Eudora for Windows 3.1!

  • 64bit support? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sakdoctor ( 1087155 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:12AM (#18795957) Homepage
    What exactly do they mean by full 64-bit support. I didn't find an x64 bit binary anywhere.

    • Compile your own 64-bit! Here's how : (Score:4, Funny)

      by digitalderbs ( 718388 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:29AM (#18796097)
      You have to compile your own. I compile mine on Ubuntu Edgy 64-bit. This will get you started :
      1. Download source [mozilla.org]
      2. Run configure with the following command (this solves a compile time known bug in gcc 4)

        ac_cv_visibility_pragma=no ./configure --enable-application=mail
      3. make and sudo make install

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Svet-Am ( 413146 )
        meaning that Windows x64 users are left totally in the dark. If they're going to claim Windows support and x64 support in the same sentence, then they ought to be providing a 64-bit enabled binary.

  • Painful marketing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ed Avis ( 5917 ) <ed@membled.com> on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:13AM (#18795963) Homepage
    Any chance the Mozilla people could trouble to put up some real information about the new version instead of a flashy page of meaningless marketspeak?

    • Re:Painful marketing (Score:4, Funny)

      by ZachPruckowski ( 918562 ) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:26AM (#18796075)
      I know! I came in with 2 questions:

      1) How's the Mail.app importing?
      2) Does it work with Spotlight

      These are crucial questions that affect whether I even consider switching, and the info pages say nothing.
      • 1) How's the Mail.app importing?
        2) Does it work with Spotlight

        1) there doesn't seem to be any mail.app import function, maybe it will be included in an extension, but this feature really has been ignored for too long

        2) my first tests indicate it still isn't indexed by Spotlight, which is a big shame because I'm now totally hooked on spotlight. Do any /.ers know how to hack spotlight to index other areas of the user's file system?

        the AC

      • Re:Painful marketing (Score:5, Informative)

        by anticypher ( 48312 ) <anticypher.gmail@com> on Thursday April 19, 2007 @12:02PM (#18799313) Homepage
        I'm going to reply to you again, because I've had a few hours to play with the new version, and I'm not at all impressed.

        So spotlight is broken, but that's been a feature request with much finger pointing for quite a while now. The built in search function is still pretty useless. No way to search all headers, or the entire mailbox including both headers and bodies, or to search multiple or all mail boxes in the same search. With 9 separate inboxes, it takes a while to find some poorly remembered email. Granted, I can always open a terminal, navigate to the directory, and perform some unix majic with grep and find, but that's a major blow to usability for their interface. It's not like people haven't been asking for a better search function since early days, but the developers have decided that people just shouldn't be searching their email. Eudora does it correctly, so my standards are not going to come down, maybe all the good TB developers will go over to Penelope.

        There appear to still be bugs with the IPv6 implementation, both on the OSX and Linux versions. At least, there is still a config setting to disable IPv6 lookups.

        Without too much regression testing, the old LDAP incompatibilities are still there. TB is pretty much useless in corporate settings using AD or other LDAP directory services.

        The old indexing bugs haven't been addressed at all. After leaving TB running for a while, various inboxes highlight in blue to show new mail, but there isn't any. Sometimes a mailbox shows unread messages, but searching around doesn't turn up any. New messages sorted by procmail on the server aren't indexed properly if not seen first in an inbox.

        The anti-phishing feature has always highlighted quite a few auto-generated emails and some client monthly mailings as suspect. I wish they would integrate some kind of baysian or learning or white-list features on that.

        The completely separate address books, with no concept of either hierarchy or being attached to individual accounts (think friends&family, business contacts) is pretty 1993 in its thinking.

        One of my biggest problems, is the inability to choose which outgoing SMTP service at the time of sending a message. Once again, Eudora got this right. Since I work in many locations, the ability to quickly change the outgoing SMTP setting without having to go to every account setting and changing it manually would be expected of a real email application.

        The UI hasn't really improved at all over the 1.5 version. Sure, they've now hidden several spam controls in new places, and made a few other cosmetic improvements, but TB is still mostly unusable by ordinary users. There is still no way to make some commonly used functions into buttons on the main interface. That is the most asked for feature when I show people TB, how do they do their most common command with just a single button click.

        Version 1.5 was really the first usable release, it should have been called 1.0. This is a minor bug fix release, count it as version 1.1, but there is NO major overhaul of either the functionality or usability.

        the AC

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by stu42j ( 304634 )
      Click on the Release Notes: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/2.0.0.0/r eleasenotes/ [mozilla.com]

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Pranjal ( 624521 )
      The two links below would give you a better idea about the features

      Release Notes [mozilla.com]
      Notable bug fixes [mozillazine.org]
  • 1. A shared calender
    2. An integrated Calendar
    3. Exchange support a la evolution (even if it just supports a few features :) )

    I have introduced Thunderbird to my work place to a limited extent. But these features would allow me to push its introduction further.

    • Calendar plugin just announced on slashdot (Score:5, Interesting)

      by digitalderbs ( 718388 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:23AM (#18796047)
      This article [slashdot.org] came out a couple of days ago. It's a calendar plugin for Thunderbird 2 that syncs with google calendar. In my opinion, it's not an "Exchange killer," as the title states, but it could be very useful.

    • 1. A shared calender
      2. An integrated Calendar

      Support is there, sort of. You can install the Lightning extension. For sharing calendars between users, put an iCal file on Apache and subscribe all the clients to it. Enable WebDAV to allow editing. It's still rather primitive, though. Still, it works decently. I set this up at work for a little bit before switching to Scalix (with the web client).

      3. Exchange support a la evolution (even if it just supports a few features :) )

      I'd like to see full Scalix or Kolab (so I can dump Scalix) support. All of the scheduling stuff is needed.

      • The real problem is Scalix doesn't currently support an open method for syncing calendar data (it's currently stored in a proprietary IMAP object container).

        They are saying that we should see full CalDAV support in an upgrade to version 11, which is meant to arrive this quarter. Once that is here you've got IMAP for the mail, and CalDAV for the scheduling/syncing of the calendar.

        Add that to the Funambol Scalix connector being released shortly and it's shaping up to be a damn good Exchange challenger (I h

    • The features you are asking for are for an outlook clone. TB is at best a mail.app and outlook express clone. The devs dont seem to be interested in making it as feature rich at outlook and I wouldnt hold my breath.

      A willing group that wants this should fork it and integrate evolution's webdav connector, integrate a calendar, and update the newsreader to this century and if done well will marginlize TB the way FF did to the Mozilla suite. I'd donate time and money to this project.

  • vcal support? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by epiphani ( 254981 ) <epiphani@@@dal...net> on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:14AM (#18795969)
    The single lacking feature stopping me from using it? Heck, even if it ties in with that other calendaring application from mozilla, at least recognizing outlook calendar requests and calling the other app.

  • But the big hole is... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by tygerstripes ( 832644 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:21AM (#18796031)
    Calendaring. TB is not used in the (office) workplace - even progressive workplaces that are happy to go with FF - because Outlook calendar support doesn't exist. I've no idea how good Sunbird (is that right?) is, but FF managed to get a foothold because the switch was painless. Without the ability to integrate with Outlook calendars, TB's not going to get that foothold.

    I'm not suggesting this is Mozilla's fault, I'm just stating what I understand to be the real stumbling block for TB - and TB2 hasn't fixed it. It's a real shame.

    Incidentally, TB really didn't need an overhaul, as far as I could tell. Prolly one of the most stable apps I've used in a long time, and quite powerful enough. Still, I'll have a look...

    • Re:But the big hole is... Calendaring and contacts (Score:5, Insightful)

      by neutrino38 ( 1037806 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @09:19AM (#18796699) Homepage Journal

      I use Thunderbird both at work and at home.

      This release contains probably a lot of improvment under th hood but what really misses is:

      • Support for Outlook calender on PC
      • Support for an Opensource calender server with the ability to change the calendar from within the GUI
      • A way to synchronize calendars between Thunderbird on different workstation
      • Syncronisation of calendar with Mobile devices
      • Synchronisation of contact with Mobile devices
      • SMS / MMS management from within TB

      For Mac OS X users like me, I would add:

      • Native support of Mac OS X address book
      • Enable spotlight to search within the mails
      • Native support of Mac Calendar (don't reinvent the wheel ;..)
      • Support of iSync for synchronsation with mobile devices (don't reinvent the wheel ;..)

      This would be a proper 2.0 release.

      I would also suggest also to write or improve extentions connecting TB with proeminents CRM software (Salesforce, Surgar CRM, ...).

      PS: I tried Sunbird but was not convinced.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by disasm ( 973689 )
      most of us don't want it. We like our mail client doing just mail... However; I have heard rumors about Penelope (the new Eudora based on the same codebase as Thunderbird) having calendaring support similar to outlook for people that would like to have it.

      Sam

      • FYI, there are actually two Mozilla calendar projects: Lightning, which integrates into Thunderbird, and Sunbird, which is stand-alone (and also doesn't support extensions yet for some reason).

        My big gripe about both of them is that they don't sync with PDAs (Palm or WinCE) yet.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by bahwi ( 43111 )
      Agreed. I was able to(with the help of some of the others in the IT department and a spectacular failure of trying to use and get Outlook working with a third party company for over 3 months) get everyone on google calendar, but we're small. (Of course, there is google for domains now)
  • I've had no luck getting Thunderbird 1.5 to filter mail with .gif attachments. Is this something that's easier to do in 2.0?

  • This is what I posted... (Score:3, Funny)

    by robertlagrant ( 1090367 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:33AM (#18796131)
    I posted this one to here a few hours ago, thought you might prefer this version of the story :)

    Mozilla's Thunderbird email software has reached version 2.0.0.0 [mozilla.com]. Includes tagging messages, quick navigation through threads, improved (and saved) searches, and (most usefully for some) support for checking .mac and gmail. Reports that Thunderbird 2 may contain a mole [thunderbirdsonline.co.uk] were quickly quashed.

  • This is going to ruin my Karma, but..... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Alex ( 342 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:35AM (#18796145)
    Last week I switched from Linux to Mac OSX, purely so I could run Entourage and interface properly with Exchange.

    Thunderbird is an awesome IMAP/POP3 client super stable, really great to use - in an organization that uses Exchange a lot not being able to interface with Exchange properly was a real pain in the arse.

    I had a real nightmare trying to use Evolution, it was very unstable, I reinstalled my workstation and did all sorts of stuff but I couldn't get it to be as stable as Thunderbird.

    So I've started using a mac for email so I've got a Unix box I can use Exchange on.

    Just don't get me started on sharepoint.....

    cheers,

    Alex

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by wiredog ( 43288 )
      I moved from Linux to Mac last month after my 6 year old linux box caught fire. Fortunately the hard drives survived and I was able to copy the data from them to the new Mac. Yes, I had backups, but hadn't done that week's backup yet. So I had to get some data off the drives anyway.

  • Thunderbird vs. Mail.app (Score:5, Interesting)

    by javacowboy ( 222023 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:36AM (#18796153)
    Thunderbird is by far the best mail client for Windows, and from my limited experience the best email client for Linux (though I haven't used Linux much recently). Mail.app (the Mac mail program) runs circles around Thunderbird and any other mail client I've ever used.

    Thunderbird has been moving in the general direction of parity with Mail.app, but it isn't there yet. Mail.app still wins handily for its superior preferences menu layout which includes account info and mail filters all in one place. It's also integrated with the OS X address book and spell-checking dictionary. Once Leopard comes out, Mail.app will be integrated with the system-wide calendar process (another new Leopard feature).

    And before anybody calls me a Mac fanboy, I still have a strong preference for Firefox over Safari. Safari is so light on features, especially those I take for granted with Firefox, that it's simply not usable (although Firefox should steal a feature or two from Safari to be even better).
    • I agree. I would really like to use Thunderbird, but there are just certain things missing (Address Book and Spotlight integration for one thing) that are too important to live without.

      Mail.app works just fine for me. The only real pet peeve I have is the inability to have images load automatically for contacts in your address book (no idea if this is coming or not) and no phishing detection (which is coming in Leopard I believe).

  • Still no Sent / Received Date options (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Hohlraum ( 135212 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:36AM (#18796155) Homepage
    They are still blindly using the Date: field for received and sent mail. The so called fix is to sort by the 'Order Received' column. That column is inaccurate when you start moving messages around between folders. I really wish the TB developers would wake up. I know of no other mail client that doesn't parse out the Received date from the headers and make it available. In fact it is the default date for most other mail clients as well. I've lost count of the number of people who have brought this up to me when I tell them to check out TB. TB (imo) is a superior email client to outlook express except for this one issue that they keep ignoring.

    This is based on a beta from a few weeks ago, feel free to correct me if they woke up between then and the release and fixed this issue.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by brix ( 27642 )
      In the list of new features, I noticed the following:

      Improved Support For Extensions: Extensions can now add custom columns to the message list pane in addition to storing custom message data in the mail database.
      Perhaps this means that the problem is fixable by an extension now?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by gnud ( 934243 )
      Use IMAP? :P
    • This is a pain, and I think stems from the ideological notion behind the software. But I dont think using the date stamp to display messages is part of any "standard" I know of. So in the real world, when I get spam or mail from people with misconfigured smtp servers (or possibly client machines) and the date field is 1998 or something, then I need to root through my email with the mouse scroll wheel to find this one piece of unread mail because it wont appear at the top. Its just stupid. I understand t
  • Eudora has an MDI interface for working with mailboxes and messages. I can have multiple messages and/or mailboxes opened simultaneously within a single window in Eudora, whereas last I checked, Thunderbird behaved like Outlook with regard to mailboxes and messages; you can only view one at a time, no tiling or cascading of MDI windows.

    Is there a plugin or something that makes Thunderbird behave like Eudora in this regard? If there is, I would totally switch mail clients. I'm only hooked on Eudora because I

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by drinkypoo ( 153816 )

      Is there a plugin or something that makes Thunderbird behave like Eudora in this regard? If there is, I would totally switch mail clients. I'm only hooked on Eudora because I prefer its UI...

      The next Eudora will be a thunderbird respin. Just stick with Eudora, and it will turn into what you want.

  • newsreader changed? welcome to 1995 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Xenomorph.NET ( 969401 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:41AM (#18796227)
    Thunderbird's newsreader seems the same as it was ever since it was the Netscape newsreader.

    hardly anything has changed.

    it still displays "Lines" instead of "Size". it also can't join posts like Outlook Express is able to.

    why has the newsreader been left unchanged for so long? it looks and works the same (crappy) as it always had. hardly anything has changed since the mid 1990s.
    • Have they ever fixed the attachment joining issue that's been solved in most other news readers since 2000?

  • Real Ninjas Use Thunderbird (Score:3, Funny)

    by sherriw ( 794536 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:43AM (#18796243)
    I've read lots of posts about how most people use webmail or whatever their ISP gives them. Well.... that may be true but we all know that the really cool ninjas own their own domain so they can create unlimited email addresses, spam-traps, forwards, mail lists and all kinds of other ninja-like cool stuff. Every time I see a techie person who's using his/her cogeco or hotmail address, I just laugh.

    Yes, I am a cool email ninja. :)

  • And you still can't import/export vCard files... (Score:3, Informative)

    by Karpe ( 1147 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:52AM (#18796343) Homepage
    Bummer.

  • Tagging (Score:3, Informative)

    by Dan East ( 318230 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @08:56AM (#18796389) Journal
    Message tagging has existed for a long, long time in Thunderbird. You could already hit numeric keys to tag emails, which would change the color of the text in the list. This version formalizes tagging, by adding a toolbar button and assigning actual (user-configurable) names to various colors. I'll continue to use the numeric keys, because as usual keyboard shortcuts are so much faster than mouse-based UI. Still, it's nice to see Thunderbird's features continue to mature.

    Dan East

  • Broken (Score:3, Informative)

    by Xerotope ( 777662 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @09:19AM (#18796695)
    This is what happens when I try and upgrade from 1.5:

    "Error opening file for writing: \r\n\r\nmozMapi32.dll\r\n\r\nClick Retry to try again, or \r\nCancel to stop the instalation"

    Thanks guys...awesome new release.

    • Re:Broken (Score:5, Informative)

      by Control6 ( 247510 ) on Thursday April 19, 2007 @09:58AM (#18797199)
      I had the same error message. Do you have a Logitech Quickcam? I found that the Quickcam software which runs in the background on start-up was keeping a lock on the mozMapi32.dll file in the Thunderbird program folder. I had to use process explorer to kill off QuickCam10.exe before I could complete the installation.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by talonyx ( 125221 )
      Change your default mail client to Windows Mail, log out and in, delete c:\program files\thunderbird manually, and try again.

  • ...Full Support for Windows Vista and 64-bit versions of Windows
    I'm calling shenanigans on that one - if there was support for 64-bit, it wouldn't install in "Program Files (x86)" (vs. "Program Files") and I don't see a separate 64-bit install exe on the FTP site.
  • I'm disappointed. No new features I actually want, at least 1 of the bugs I'm really annoyed about not fixed, and at least 1 new bug added.

    Firstly, doing a 'check for updates' in the old version (1.5 for OS X, I think) told me there wasn't a new one. Then when I manually downloaded, installed and got past the inevitable 'we broke all the extensions' message, it's ignoring my preference to show text not icons in the toolbars. So I go into preferences, and it's saying I'm showing text only. I workround by swi
  • So far, I am digging the new look, very easy on the eyes.

    So, here is what I do, why I do it, and what I wanted that doesn't seem to exist.

    I check my mail from thunderbird, webmail, and mutt. So, using the incoming message filters to sort mail is not a good option. I use procmail for that. But, I would like to make use of the message filters to assign tags to certain letters. But, as far as I can tell, they are only automatically run for the inbox, other folders must have the filters run manually. Cause yeah
  • I had to ditch TB (the last version) because, as much as I liked all the other features, I just couldn't stand how it would bog down on start-up, (sometimes for as long as two or three minutes), once I'd accumulated more than a thousand emails. I couldn't figure out what it was doing or how to set it any differently. Part of the problem was that it seemed determined to keep copies of emails even after I'd deleted them, attachments and all. This seems like a problem everybody would eventually encounter.

    Ha

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