No Love For The Blu-Ray

macnificent7 writes "Market analysis firm Cymfony has combed through blogs and discussion boards, and finds online consumers aren't thrilled about Sony's Blu-ray DVD technology. Many users are still bitter about the limited availability of the PS3 because of the Blu-Ray. Also many are skeptical of the Blu-Ray because of Sony's past formats that did not succeed."

Because it's not true, maybe?

[KingSkippus]

I'm going out on a limb here, but maybe because it's not true [reghardware.co.uk]?

Some of the early players didn't recognize or support region coding. That doesn't mean that the format is incapable of it. And trust me on this, it is unfortunately going to be with us for a long time to come.

Re:Simple Solution

[The PS3 Will Fail]

"I do wonder, though, how many more times will Sony have to lose because of their stubbornness before they realize it might be more beneficial playing nice with others... ah, well..."

I dislike Sony as a company but they are certainly not the only ones pushing Blu-Ray; the Blu-Ray Disc Association board also includes Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Pioneer, Koninklijke Philips Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp and Apple. I think it's rather deceitful to act as though Sony is the only company that has a hand in Blu-Ray (or you're simply not aware of this fact, in which case I hope I have enlightened you).

Re:too different, too soon.

[xero314]

No, Sony decided that it wants everyone using its proprietary format instead of the format that most of the other industry players out there agreed to...

By everyone I assume you mean "An exceptionally small subset of the media and technology industry" that includes, and only includes, according to Official HD-DVD site [thelookand...erfect.com]:
HP, Intel, Microsoft, Paramount, Toshiba, Universal, Warner, HBO and Newline.

This is as opposed to the companies that are part of the Blu-Ray Consortium [blu-raydisc.com]:
Apple, Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi Electric, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Sun Microsystems, TDK, Thomson, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Warner Bros., Adobe Systems, Almedio Inc., Alticast, Aplix Corporation, ArcSoft, Inc., ATI Technologies Inc., Atmel Corporation, AudioDev AB, Broadcom Corporation, Canon Inc., CMC Magnetics Corporation, Coding Technologies GmbH, Cryptography Research Inc., CyberLink Corp., DATARIUS Technologies GmbH, DCA Inc., Deluxe Media Services Inc., Dolby Laboratories Inc., DTS, Inc., Electronic Arts Inc., Esmertec, Fuji Photo Film Co. Ltd., Fujitsu Ltd., Gibson Guitar Corp., Horizon Semiconductor, Imation Corp., InterVideo Inc., Kenwood Corporation, Lionsgate Entertainment, LITE-ON IT Corporation, LSI Logic, MediaTek Inc., Meridian Audio Ltd., Metta Technology, Mitsubishi Kagaku Media Co.Ltd., Mitsui Chemicals Inc., Moser Baer India Limited, NEC Electronics Corporation, Nero, Optodisc Technology Corporation, Paramount Pictures Corporation, Pixela Corporation, Prodisc Technology Inc., Pulstec Industrial Co., Ltd., Ricoh Co., Ltd., Ritek Corporation, ShibaSoku Co. Ltd., Sigma Designs Inc., Sonic Solutions, Sonopress, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, ST Microelectronics, Sunext, Taiyo Yuden Co., Ltd.,, Texas Instruments, Inc., Universal Music Group, Victor Company of Japan, Ltd., Visionare Corporation, Zentek Technology Japan, Inc., ZOOtech Ltd. , Zoran Corporation, Alpine Electronics Inc., Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd., ashampoo GmbH & Co. KG, Bandai Visual Co. Ltd., BASF AG, Basler Vision Technologies, BenQ Corporation, B.H.A. Corporation, Bose Corporation, B&W Group, The Cannery, Cheertek Inc., Cinram Manufacturing Inc., D&M holdings, Inc., Daewoo Electronics Corporation, Daikin Industries, Ltd., Daxon Technology Inc., Degussa, Eclipse Data Technologies, Elpida Memory, Inc., ESS Technology Inc., Expert Magnetics Corp., Fujitsu Ten Ltd., Funai Electric Co., Ltd., GalleryPlayer Media Networks, Gear Software, Hie Electronics, Inc., Hoei Sangyo Co., Ltd., IMAGICA Corp., INFODISC Technology Co., Ltd., Infomedia Inc., Intersil Corporation, Kadokawa Holdings Inc., Kaleidescape, Inc., Kitano Co., Ltd., Konica Minolta Opto Inc., Laser Pacific Media Corp., Lauda Co. Ltd., Lead Data Inc., LEADER ELECTRONICS CORP, Lenovo, Linn Products Ltd., LINTEC Corporation, M2 Engineering AB, MainConcept AG, Mitsumi Electric Co., Ltd., Must Technology Co., Ltd., MX Entertainment, Netflix Inc., Newtech Infosystems Inc., NEXAPM Systems Technology Inc., Nichia Corporation, Nikkatsu Corporation, NTT Electronics Corporation, nVidia Corporation, OC Oerlikon Balzer AG, Omnibus Japan Inc., Onkyo Corporation, Online Media Technologies Ltd., Ono Sokki Co., Ltd., OPT Corporation, Orbit Corp., Origin Electric Co., Ltd., Osmosys SA, Pinnacle Systems, PoINT Software & Systems GmbH, Pony Canyon Enterprise, PowerFile, Primera Technology, Inc., Quanta Storage Inc., Realtek Semiconductor Corp., Rimage Corporation, Sanyo Electric Co., Ltd., Dr. Schwab Inspection Technology GmbH, Shinano Kenshi Co. Ltd., Singulus Technologies, STEAG ETA-OPTIK GmbH, Sumitomo Bakelite, Tao Group Limited, Targray Technology International Inc., TEAC Corporation, Teijin Chemicals Ltd., THX Ltd., Toei Video Company Ltd., Toho Company, Ltd., Toppan Printing Co., Ltd., TOPTICA Photonics AG, Trailer Park, UmeDisc Ltd., Vivendi Universal Games, Yamaha Corporation, Yokogawa Electric Corporation, 1K Studios, LLC,

Now would you like to retract your obviously inaccurate statement?

Re:too different, too soon.

[harlows_monkeys]

By everyone I assume you mean "An exceptionally small subset of the media and technology industry" that includes, and only includes, according to Official HD-DVD site: HP, Intel, Microsoft, Paramount, Toshiba, Universal, Warner, HBO and Newline

Maybe you should try going to the right site and posting the right list [hddvdprg.com]: acer inc., acses co.,ltd., ad seeds co.,ltd, almedio inc., alpine electronics, inc., altech ads co., ltd., arcsoft, inc, audiodev ab, b.h.a corporation, bandai visual co., ltd., beko elektronik, broadcom corporation, canon inc., cdn corporation, ltd., cmc magnetics corporation, cyberlink corp, d&m holdings inc., daikin industries, ltd., daiko.co,ltd., daxon technology inc., dedicated devices, inc., digion, inc., digital site corporation, digital theater systems, disc labo corp., diskware co., ltd., dr. schwab inspection technology gmbh, dt japan inc., ebistrade,inc., enteractive gmbh, entertainment network inc., exa international, expert magnetics corp., finepack . co.,ltd, flag,inc., fuji photo film co., ltd., fuji seiki co., ltd., fujitsu limited., funai electric co., ltd., gear software, inc, gibson musical instruments, hamamatsu metrix co.,ltd., hewlett-packard company, high-def technology gmbh, hitachi, maxell, hoei sangyo co., ltd., ide-ava transmix co., ltd., imagica corp., imation corp, info source multi media korea ltd., infodisc technology co., ltd., intel corporation, interchannel, ltd., intervideo, inc., itri, jp co., ltd, justsystem corporation, kadokawa holdings,inc., kaleidescape, inc., kenwood corporation, kinyosha printing co.,ltd., kitano co.,ltd., konica minolta opto, inc., lenovo japan, m2 engineering, mcray corporation, megan media holdings bhd, memory-tech corporation, microsoft corporation, mitomo co., ltd, mitsubishi kagaku media co., ltd., mitsui chemicals, inc., moser baer india ltd, nec, nero ag, nichia corporation, nihonvtr inc., nikkatsu corporation, nixbu entertainment gmbh & co. kg, omnibus japan, onken corporation, onkyo corporation, online media technologies ltd., origin electric co.,ltd., outpost fx (ab) international, paramount home entertainment, pegasys, inc., pico house co.,ltd, pixela corporation, plannet associate co.;ltd., pony canyon inc., proboxx.inc, prodisc technology inc., protron digital inc., pryaid records inc., pulstec industrial co.,ltd, q-tec,inc., query inc, ricoh company ltd., ritek corporation, samsung, sanken media product co., ltd., sanyo electric co., ltd., shibaura mechatronics corporation, sonic solutions, sonopress gmbh, storage technology corporation, sumitomo heavy industries. ltd, super vision, inc., taiyo yuden co.,ltd., teac corporation, teijin chemicals ltd., toei video co., ltd., toemi media solutions limited, toho company, limited., tokyo laboratory ltd., toppan printing co., ltd., toptica photonics ag, toshiba, toyo recording co., ltd., trendy corporation, u-tech media corp., ulead systems, inc., unaxis balzers ltd., universal pictures, vap inc., verbatim, visionare corporation, warner home video inc.,

Now would you like to retract your obviously inaccurate statement?

Now would you like to go to a dictionary and look up the word pwned?

Re:Simple Solution

[spwolfx]

Actually it didnt take long at all to completly replace VHS. In 4 years, DVD became more popular than VHS, and in 8 years, VHS tapes stopped production.

Similar things are happening with HDTV adoption, which is going up in great rates and only last year HDTV growth was 150%, and market value exceeds $25 billion already. Analysts predict 25% home in US to have HDTV by Feb 2007.

These are awesome rates, and lowering prices on HDTV's help. Today you can buy cheap LCD's TVs for the price of 32" CRT's only 5-6 years ago.

Now, coming back to the article, "marketing" company when to the forums to see who is liked more. Obviously, HD-DVD was produced and sold before Blu-Ray, even if for few months and has gathered bigger following. With PS3 and its recognition as high-quality Blu-Ray player (in fact, it is rated as the best BD player on the market today by hi-def magazines), things are changing quickly.

It is pretty telling that report came out 2 weeks after PS3 came out and is probably based on situation before it came on market, in order to make an impact before end of holiday season. One might wonder at conclusions made and think that they have been sponsored by big MS media machine.

Fact is that Blu-Ray has industry wide support from both large number of equipment manufacturers (Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung, HP, Dell, Apple, Hitachi, TDK, Sun, LG, etc) and 7 out of 8 major movie studios (Fox, Disney, etc), while HD-DVD has a lot smaller number of backers (most Toshiba and Microsoft, and single movie studio).

Like one, like the other

[SuperKendall]

Any discussion about liking one format more than the other because of managed copy, or region coding, or pretty much anything is silly because both formats:

1) Support the same codecs
2) Use the same copy protection system (AACS).

The ONLY difference between the formats is physical, as in space availiable or in the electronics neeed to play the disc.

Well that's not quite true, there is one software difference - HD-DVD uses a menu system specificaiton sponsored by Microsoft (and thus requires paying Microsoft a per-player fee) vs. a different format for Blu-Ray. If you enjoy giving Microsoft money for every player you buy, then HD-DVD's your format of choice.