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Intel Patents the "Digital Browser Phone" 170

tibbar66 writes, "This sounds like an invention that has been invented many times before (e.g. Skype). Yet on October 10, 2006 Intel was granted a patent for a 'digital browser phone.' The patent was filed on Feb. 25, 2000. Here's the abstract: 'A telephone system wherein all the functions of a digital telephone can be accessed and implemented on a personal computer alone, thereby eliminating the need for a telephone set. By means of the computer display and mouse, keyboard or other input/output command devices, a user accesses and implement all digital telephone functions without the physical telephone set, the personal computer also providing the audio function. A graphical representation of a telephone set or other telephone-related form is provided on the computer display and accessed by the mouse, keyboard or other command device, this being accomplished by a computer program providing graphical interface implementation. A significant advantage of the system is computer access to and utilization of digital telephone functions from a remote location with communication via Internet, LAN, WAN, RAS or other mediums.'"
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Intel Patents the "Digital Browser Phone"

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  • by Der PC ( 1026194 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @09:13AM (#16903504)
    Skype ?

    Or any SIP or H323 application that predates Skype ?

    Isn't it time for Americans to revolt agains the patent crazyness ?
  • by bfree ( 113420 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @09:39AM (#16903614)
    The fscking phone itself should count as prior art! Perhaps, just perhaps (I'm not willing to go near it to find out) there is something in this patent which is new and non-obvious (from slashdot alone I'd say not but I know better then to believe anything on here). Odds are however that this is little more then a description of re-implementing a regular telephone with digital circuitry. For some reason the USPTO seems to think that doing $anything "on a computer" is patentable in of itself no matter how unpatentable $anything might be. Would they have accepted a patent for using a general purpose computer (with display, keyboard and/or mouse) as a calculator at some stage? Obviousness test ... nope let the courts handle that?
  • by Vlad_the_Inhaler ( 32958 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @09:45AM (#16903642)
    So we get a Slashdot post about the USPTO not looking at the patent application properly, where the poster (or /. editor) did not look at it either. My brain hurts.

    Whatever, as someone else here said, Vocaltec [vocaltec.com] started the ball rolling back in 1995. Maybe they only patented in Israel, not the US, but that won't help Intel here.
  • openh323 (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19, 2006 @09:53AM (#16903670)
    The open h323 project was started in 1998 and had a soft phone by 2000. This should count as prior art. http://www.openh323.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html [openh323.org]

    It also stinks that they get to sit on it for 6 years from date of filing. Patents used to be valid for 20 years from date of filing, now a company can sit on it, tweek it, and get 17 years from date of issue (AFIK).

  • Prior art? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gstovall ( 22014 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:00AM (#16903708) Homepage
    Heh? In 1994, we were already buying commercial softphone applications for PC to PC telephony. In 1995, we had the ability to click a button on a web browser and launch a voice session with a customer service rep in an ACD pool. In 1996, we demonstrated a macintosh running voip software connected to a gateway that put the voice session out on an ISUP trunk to an M-1 PBX. I'm having difficulty understanding the originality of a 2000 filing on this subject.
  • Easy out of this (Score:3, Insightful)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:14AM (#16903752) Journal
    in ~1995, I was working at Bell Labs/Lucent on the velociraptor project. Part of that WAS the desktop system as described.

    Man, I swear that gov has fallen apart over the last 5 years. Patents as screwy as this show either an actual attempt by the gov. to hire idiots (hard to believe considering the economy of the last 6 years), that it is purposely trying to allow BS patents to major companies (conspiracy theorists unite), or that it is being severely underfunded( Bingo ) .
  • by mqduck ( 232646 ) <mqduck@@@mqduck...net> on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:19AM (#16903776)
    Indeed. But if the patent office doesn't read the proposals, why should the Slashdot submitter? (Granted, the other option is that the patent office did read the proposal, but the patent office worker was so ignorant it sounded like a new idea to him/her.)


    I'm not proposing any theories here, but I do think you may be in danger of assuming incompetence where there's corruption.
  • by MadEE ( 784327 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:40AM (#16903876)
    As much as this patent is interesting and could help transform computers into something more versatile and useful, it's still a patent which impedes anyone else using the idea at the commercial level.
    I am all for patent reform but... Isn't that the whole point of patents?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:46AM (#16903926)

    Patents as screwy as this show either an actual attempt by the gov. to hire idiots (hard to believe considering the economy of the last 6 years), that it is purposely trying to allow BS patents to major companies (conspiracy theorists unite), or that it is being severely underfunded( Bingo ).

    It's none of the above, though a few wealthy corporations are certainly applying political pressure to continue the disaster of patentable software. It's simply that the entire notion of granting patents to software is based on multiple fallacies. Therefore, it simply is not possible for the USPTO to do this job in a sensible way.

  • by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) * on Sunday November 19, 2006 @12:57PM (#16904786) Homepage Journal
    You simply have too much common sense for patents

    Right; patents aren't about common sense. Patents are about suppressing creative thought because some fool got to an office first. Probably the single greatest stumbling block to technology and progress humanity has ever had the misfortune to allow to be thrust upon itself.

  • by ScrewMaster ( 602015 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @01:57PM (#16905202)
    Actually, it's all of the above. If you think that software patents were invented out of thin air by Congress you're wrong: left to themselves they aren't that interested in the issue. As it happens, a lot of big interests lobbied hard for them just like they are currently doing in the EU. It was no accident. The USPTO also has funding problems and those also were no accident because Congress changed the way the office is funded.

    You're also right: it really isn't possible to issue software patents in a sensible way. However, if you're going have the stupid things it would be possible to issue them in a less senseless way, by simply not issuing the vast majority of them.

    The problem currently goes well beyond software patents: we experiencing what happens when a wayward patent office issues thousands upon thousands of bogus patents of all kinds because it is no longer capable of making the required distinctions. It's just not good enough to issue a patent and let any claimed infringements get resolved in court, because an obvious or overbroad patent is still a patent and can be used to suppress competition just as much as a good patent. The only solution is to do what the USPTO did pretty well for centuries: don't issue bad patents. A patent office that cannot do that is a national liability. It's certainly no asset, much less capable of promoting the advancement of the useful arts and sciences, etc.

    The fact that we took an already seriously damaged patent system and tossed software patents on top was just adding insult to injury.

    Thanks again, Congress.
  • by TheVelvetFlamebait ( 986083 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @07:15PM (#16907880) Journal
    Patents are about suppressing creative thought because some fool got to an office first.
    Wait! Could it be to help encourage invention? To give the inventor a very temporary monopoly to the inventor on the concept in question?

    Nah, that can't be right. I'm sure society has patents simply to suppress creative thought.
  • by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) * on Monday November 20, 2006 @03:24AM (#16911410) Homepage Journal

    Wait! Could it be to help encourage invention? To give the inventor a very temporary monopoly to the inventor on the concept in question?

    No, a mechanism already exists for that purpose; it is called "trade secret." The way it works, see, is that if your idea is complex enough to be non-trivial in terms of the resources required to instantiate it, then you just don't tell anyone how you did something, you simply develop it, and market it. If it is useful, you'll have a market window, and this gives you that "very temporary monopoly" you need to make a reasonable amount of income from your idea. What is great about it is that it doesn't involve lawyers, it doesn't involve the government, and it doesn't involve repressing everyone else's creativity. It also has built-in safeguards against simplistic ideas being given the status of unbreakable dams against progress.

    Nah, that can't be right. I'm sure society has patents simply to suppress creative thought.

    You really don't understand how things work. It's not "society" operating here; it is corporations and the rich. And what they want to supress is your ability to do anything at all without paying them, either for a product, or for the use of an idea they've latched onto.

    The fact that this suppresses creative thought is a side-effect, one that (a) only injures the general public and so (b) is not of concern to either the government, the corporations or the rich. What they're trying to do (and suceeding very well at) is suppress competition. What you think is of no concern to them. The system is designed to ignore what you think. That's why legislators make law, and you don't get to. It's trivially easy to bribe the very few legislators (think PACs, trips, speaking engagements, employment after politics, re-election support) but it is not easy to bribe the hundreds of millions of citizens at large. Not only do you have no input into the process, you're pretty well stuck in the loop of supporting the system from without by paying for these patents and for the bribes and for the legislators. All those costs are built into everything you buy that has one or more patents, with the single exception of the costs that are built into your taxes.

    The system is locked-down. You can get a decent patent (meaning, one you have a slight chance of being able to defend in court) for about ten grand. But even if you can meet that financial standard (and of course, the vast majority of people cannot, nor is there any correlation between those who are creative and those who have such funding available), you have another, much higher hurdle to jump: You have to be able to pay for the defense of that patent in court. You on one side, with your house mortgaged (agin, if you have such a resource) and on the other, for instance, IBM, with (compared to you) absolutely unlimited resources.

    But hey, don't worry about it. After all — it's not going to change.

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