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Patches For Pine Going Away 177

md8mart writes to let us know about the imminent shutdown of the site that distributes Pine patches. From the RSS feed of Patches for Pine we read the following bad news for all Pine users: "The Department of Mathematics of the University of Washington will close the account that hosts my Patches for Pine site. I would like to thank the Department of Mathematics for having hosted this site for so many years. I do not have current plans to move this site, but this site will disappear on December 15, 2006. Thank you to everyone who supported me by positive feedback and encouragement to do this work through the years. I will update this information as it becomes available."
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Patches For Pine Going Away

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  • upgrade (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zdzichu ( 100333 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @06:39AM (#16903090) Homepage Journal
    It's time to upgrade to Mutt [mutt.org].
  • Re:well geez... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by djh101010 ( 656795 ) * on Sunday November 19, 2006 @06:54AM (#16903144) Homepage Journal
    I sent him an email offering to host the site, we'll see what happens. I see patchesforpine.com is available (or was when this article was in "red" preview status). We'll see what happens; I can't see it being a huge load on my webhosts.
  • Not the end of pine (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SystematicPsycho ( 456042 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @07:05AM (#16903170)
    So.. why doesn't someone just take over and host it elsewhere?
  • Re:well geez... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by William Stein ( 259724 ) <wstein@gmail.com> on Sunday November 19, 2006 @10:35AM (#16903856) Homepage
    I also just sent him a hosting offer. And, I'm a professor in the University
    of Washington math department!

      -- William
  • by TeknoHog ( 164938 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @11:50AM (#16904346) Homepage Journal
    Have you tried mutt? How would you compare them?

    I tried Mutt at some point, but I got frustrated at how much customization it would require to get working the way I like. It seemed like it would be easier for me to write my own mail client (as I've already worked with textmode interfaces and there are tons of libraries for the network side). Besides, after things like threaded view and maildir format came into Pine, I had no need feature-wise to use anything else but Pine.

    IMHO, Pine has pretty good UI design in that it's quite easy and intuitive for beginners, but also quite customizable for experienced users. So as you grow into a power user, the software can grow with you. (It's a bit like learning Linux with a desktop environment, and gradually proceeding into deeper things like kernel hacking. Try doing the same with the beginner-only design of Windows.)

    This is probably why Pine is still the recommended mail client in many universities. The only problem these days must be that text mode is often perceived as inherently difficult or outdated.

  • Re:OMG Bloated!!1 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @12:33PM (#16904608)
    I moved to Thunderbird years ago. I'm not very rich but I can easily afford the CPU horsepower needed by Thunderbird. For others there's always mutt.

    But what if I don't want a GUI e-mail client? Sure I can afford the CPU usage, but I'd rather have something small that lives in an SSH window or can even be used on systems where X isn't installed. And most of the graphics sent to me in e-mails are either (a) spam or (b) crap like signatures. The other 1% I can view in webmail should I need to.

    Pine is just useless, and it should be abandoned.

    Useless how? It allows you to read e-mail and organize it into different folders. What else is needed? A decent search function would be nice, I'd admit, but it's nothing that can't be easily written. That's like saying a 1960s car is useless because it doesn't have power windows, A/C, or ABS brakes...

    -b.

  • by Darth_Burrito ( 227272 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @01:55PM (#16905182)
    I don't have any particular gripes about pine. I've never used it.

    Choice is good. How would the death of a project be good for someone who doesn't use it anyway?

    As a system administrator, I frequently have to support crappy software and idiots, whether it's something one of my users has installed or something someone somewhere else has installed that one of my users is trying to communicate with. That said, there is a certain percentage of people out there using text based mail clients that do so because they are either too stupid or too stubborn to switch to a mail client that has the modern capabilities 90% of my users simply expect to exist for their recipients. This creates problems for me.

    At any rate, my point is that, even as a non-user, there are many projects I have often wished would just die. You don't have to be a user of a particular piece of software for it to impact your life. Eg, everyone is impacted by things like Microsoft Office. Choice isn't necessarily bad, but bad choices are.
  • That was added later (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Wee ( 17189 ) on Sunday November 19, 2006 @02:21PM (#16905348)
    I said the same thing to Laurence when the topic came up. He made a face and told me that he didn't prefer UW's acronym, since the name doesn't really need one.

    When it was first developed, it was simply called "pine", kind of as an homage to elm. Laurence had several backronyms floating around in his head, because people kept asking what "pine" stood for. So he usually told them the one he preferred, which was the one about how the word pine was a neologism. He did just make the word up, after all, and I think he liked the connotation with slightly deranged people.

    Years later, UW came up with the news and email thing as the "official" acronym. But it's not what it realy stood for originally when the program was first developed.

    -B

  • Re:oh god no! (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19, 2006 @03:58PM (#16906066)
    Unfortunately, the author of Pine doesn't like a lot of patchs. He repeatedly refused SSL patches produced by others in favor of maintaining the intrenally published and not-to-be-published local version, he rejects the use of Maildir, and he insists that every file in the home directory of the associated uw-imapd IMAP server is a mail file, and rejects patches to store them in a local subdirectory instead. This caused endless problems with Netscape andn other IMAP clients running on the same machine as the mail server itself, as it recursed endlessly. And as near as I could tell, he kept deliberately re-writing the 10 lines or so of patchable code to *BREAK* published patches.

    Coupled with the stapled on "we didn't mean it was OK to modify it and republish it, even though that's what the language said" as described at http://www.asty.org/articles/20010702pine.html [asty.org], there's no reason to continue any support whatsoever of Pine.
  • by arth1 ( 260657 ) on Monday November 20, 2006 @03:43AM (#16911510) Homepage Journal
    Never mind Mutt. Us 'leet Outlook users are still scratching our heads wondering why on earth anyone is still using a CLI mail app. Face it, the GUI has one and is clearly the victor. I'm willing to bet I could read/cleanse/fold/manipulate 1000 times more messages in a day than any Pine or Mutt users on a given day. There just isn't any benefit to having a CLI mail reader.

    Are you trolling?

    You forget (or are unable to use) remote access, then. I can check and reply to email from almost any machine, without having to configure anything on the boxes, or store my email on them. I don't even need Internet access -- a dial-up will do. Or ssh in to my box from my PDA via bluetooth to my cell phone. I don't need a gui, but can use one when I want.

    Manipulate? With pine, you can pipe messages to a command. Can you do that with Outlook? And once the email has been received, mine is kept in a standard format that allows manipulation by other programs. Is yours? If I need to search my mail, it takes less than a second to get results for several years worth of mail.

    As for speed, single-key commands are always faster than clicking, the reason being very simple: You don't have to aim.

    Another great benefit is that you won't be hit by any trojans or even web bugs confirming your email address to spammers.

    Oh, and for spam, if a spam gets past the mail filters, I pipe it to spamassassin, and the spam will be learnt by the server, as well as reported to razor and others. This helps rejecting spam by bayesian rules before it hits my account. With Outlook, the best you can do is rejecting based on senders or keywords, after you get the mail.

    I have both pine and Outlook. I use pine because it offers so much more than Outlook does, and much quicker.

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