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PS3 and Wii — Head To Head 269

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1up has a piece looking at the Wii vs. the PS3, running down the particulars on graphical power, online capabilities, launch titles, and control scheme. For the most part, they're siding with the PS3: "Traditionally, Nintendo's never been much for online gaming (the GameCube had two online games&ever), but Wii appears poised to finally bring Mario and Co. into the multiplayer arena. Wii will use a modified version of the DS' Wi-Fi Connection software to facilitate online matchmaking. (Most likely, you'll only be able to play against players who give you 'friend codes' first, just like with the DS.) Like the PS3, the Wii will offer online gaming free of charge."
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  • by AKAImBatman (238306) * <akaimbatman @ g m a i l . c om> on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @02:58PM (#16841528) Homepage Journal
    From the article (no this is not a mistake*):

    PlayStation 3

    Online plan: Traditonally, Nintendo's never been much for online gaming (the GameCube had two online games&ever), but Wii appears poised to finally bring Mario and Co. into the multiplayer arena. Wii will use a modified version of the DS' Wi-Fi Connection software to facilitate online matchmaking. (Most likely, you'll only be able to play against players who give you "friend codes" first, just like with the DS.) Like the PS3, the Wii will offer online gaming free of charge. Other elements in Nintendo's online plan include WiiConnect24, a feature that allows your Wii to receive pushed content downloads even when the system is turned off, and the Wii Browser, a modified version of the Opera web browser optimized for the Wii-mote. This comprehensive online plan has one massive flaw, though: No games shipping in 2006 are expected to offer online play. Oops.

    Wii

    Online plan: Traditonally, Nintendo's never been much for online gaming (the GameCube had two online games&ever), but Wii appears poised to finally bring Mario and Co. into the multiplayer arena. Wii will use a modified version of the DS' Wi-Fi Connection software to facilitate online matchmaking. (Most likely, you'll only be able to play against players who give you "friend codes" first, just like with the DS.) Like the PS3, the Wii will offer online gaming free of charge. Other elements in Nintendo's online plan include WiiConnect24, a feature that allows your Wii to receive pushed content downloads even when the system is turned off, and the Wii Browser, a modified version of the Opera web browser optimized for the Wii-mote. This comprehensive online plan has one massive flaw, though: No games shipping in 2006 are expected to offer online play. Oops.


    Here's the kicker:

    Winner: PS3 BEST ONLINE PLAN

    Um, ok.

    * On my part, anyway
    ** The amperstand after "games" is really there. It's not an HTML glitch.
    • Re:Proofreading? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by j00r0m4nc3r (959816) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:03PM (#16841612)
      If I was going to buy a console exclusively based on online play I would get an Xbox 360. I'm going to get a Wii because I want to play fun games with my wife and kid.
    • by Liselle (684663) <slashdot.liselle@net> on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:03PM (#16841630) Journal
      I saw that, too. Maybe both have us have been fooled, and this isn't really an article: it's actually a application for the job of /. editor.
    • by EmperorKagato (689705) * <sakamura@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:04PM (#16841644) Homepage Journal
      Also, the article talks about the promising lineup of 2007 PS3 not 2006 PS3 and then compares it to the lineup of 2006 Wii not 2007 Wii. Therefore, after comparison you can only declare PS3 the winner.

      Am I the only one that feels this article is too biased or unfair to the Wii?
      • Am I the only one that feels this article is too biased or unfair to the Wii?

        Nope. All it really says is: "We (the author(s)) are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY excited about the PS3. Here's some boilerplate stuff about the Wii. See how the PS3 is cool?"

        I'm glad they're excited, but they should probably be more upfront about it rather than pretending to have journalistic objectivity. A better solution might be to pit a couple different authors (with two different opinions) against each other. It would make for a more interesting read, at least.
        • by Fozzyuw (950608) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @04:17PM (#16842954)
          Nope. All it really says is: "We (the author(s)) are REALLY, REALLY, REALLY excited about the PS3. Here's some boilerplate stuff about the Wii. See how the PS3 is cool?"

          I agree with you. However, this day an age, journalism, with the advent of the online medium, is shifting towards opinion pieces than objective journalism. One only has to look to traditional media to see biased reporting, on many levels.

          I personally attribute this to the fact that I think people are drawn to news of scandal and such in much the same say they're drawn to 'negative' news. It's more enjoyable to talk about. Afterall, why else would 'reality TV' be popular, rarely see 'good news', the explosion of online journals (blogs), etc. Women have always known this. They've been watching Soap operas forever. =P It's all about the water cooler gossip. It's not fun to debate something if everyone agrees!

          Cheers,
          Fozzy

        • Or... (Score:4, Funny)

          by dolson (634094) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @05:55PM (#16844712) Homepage Journal
          Maybe it says "we are REALLY REALLY REALLY excited about the Wii, but we know that the supply dwarfs the demand, so here is some negative things we can say about the Wii in hopes that people will believe it, and not show up to buy a Wii, so we have better chances of getting one ourselves."
      • by Grey Ninja (739021) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @04:57PM (#16843724) Homepage Journal
        Yeah. I had my suspicions when I read the summary on Slashdot, where it said that the DS only allowed you to play online with people who's friend codes you had. I guess I was just hallucinating when I was playing Mario Kart and Metroid with completely random strangers. Anything that incorrect is bound to be backed up by further nonsense.
      • by mrsbrisby (60242)
        Also, the article talks about the promising lineup of 2007 PS3 not 2006 PS3 and then compares it to the lineup of 2006 Wii not 2007 Wii. Therefore, after comparison you can only declare PS3 the winner.
        I don't know. Do I still get to count Duke Nukem Forever as a launch title for my N64?

        Seems to me that it's bad taste to call something a launch title unless its actually available at launch.
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Sappharad (893163) *
      (the GameCube had two online games&ever)
      For the record, there were three:
      1. Phantasy Star Online Episode 1&2
      2. Phantasy Star Online C.A.R.D. Revolution (Episode 3)
      3. Homeland [gamespy.com]
  • by WillAffleckUW (858324) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:01PM (#16841576) Homepage Journal
    And I'll be lined up with five teens who are dying to get a Wii on Sunday - none of them are interested in getting a PS3, so in the end, the Wii wins.

    It's the games.
    • by mdobossy (674488) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:04PM (#16841660)
      Is it that they aren't interested?? Or did they all get turned down for the mortgage they needed to purchase a PS3?
      • by harrkev (623093) <kfmsd@@@harrelsonfamily...org> on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @06:20PM (#16845110) Homepage
        Is it that they aren't interested?? Or did they all get turned down for the mortgage they needed to purchase a PS3?
        You nailed it.

        I freely admit that the PS3 is more powerful with better hardware. But... how does eye candy make a game more fun? If your character in a FPS now had individually-rendered arm hair, does that make the game somehow better? Would Daikatana be any better with greatly improved graphics? I think that we are approaching the point of diminishing returns in graphics.

        The key here, though, is price. By definition, half of the US population makes average income or below. Those are the sorts of people who are MUCH more likely to pick up a Wii than a PS3. Sony has effectively alienated a full half of the population from purchasing their product. Nintendo, on the other hand, is the best bet for those whose pockets do not run over, and they are also cheap enough to be picked up as a 2nd system for people who have deep enough pockets to get a 360 or a PS3.

        Overall winner: Nintendo.
        • by Chris Burke (6130) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @07:25PM (#16845898) Homepage
          By definition, half of the US population makes average income or below.

          By definition half the US population makes median income or below.

          More than half of the US population makes below average income because of the Bill Gates and other outliers that drag the average up.

          Sorry, just a pedantic pet peeve.
    • by Channard (693317) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:09PM (#16841750) Journal
      .. because that way there'll be less sweary kids on the 360's Live service. I'm still on my free month and given how many annoying trash-talking kids there are, I probably won't be buying a year's subscription to the service. I know you can mute them, but you still have to run into them first to know who they are, and rep doesn't help much. It'd be interesting to see how Sony and Nintendo tackle this. Nintendo in particular have a reputation as being family friendly. Imagine the outcry there'll be when parents discover little billy has been called a 'flaming cocktard' by some high-school kid.
      • by soft_guy (534437) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:14PM (#16841848)
        Imagine the outcry there'll be when parents discover little billy has been called a 'flaming cocktard' by some high-school kid.

        This is exactly why I will not buy any of these new consoles. I can get called a "flaming cocktard" for free on Slashdot.
      • by normal_guy (676813) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:18PM (#16841922)
        Wii will use a system similar to the DS (and the Microsoft Games that come free with XP.) You are only able to send pre-selected text messages to people not on your friend list. For those on your friend list, full voice/whiteboard chat are enabled (if the game supports it.) Adding someone to your friend list requires an exchange of information...so the idiot factor is low. Unless you start exchanging friend codes on http://wii-are-idiots.net./ [wii-are-idiots.net.]
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by WillAffleckUW (858324)
          I love the friends code idea. Especially for Animal Crossing - don't want people trashing my villages - and for multi-player.

          Then I can ignore all the gold farmers, product sellers, and blue mouth swearers.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          That's too bad, it seems Nintendo is catering to kids (well, more accurately their parents) on that. Voice chatting with random people you play against online is pretty fun. And I suppose it helps in team games.
          • by normal_guy (676813) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @05:47PM (#16844586)
            In my experience on the 360, only about ten percent of voice chatters have anything worthwhile to say. Everyone else is a complete idiot or worse, a griefer. The only worthwhile voice chat experiences I've had were those few times I was with a coherent squad - people already on my friends list. For team-based games, I think a radio system like the Battlefield series would work - and it's much more immersive. Point the reticule toward an approaching enemy, press a button, and your character says "Enemy humvee spotted," etc. A few other options for quick orders (get in, defend here, thanks, sorry, need help) is all you really need to coordinate in-game.
        • Hmmm, big focus on online gaming... Am I the only one that misses the days of single player games??? Seems like almost all the games now are built for online multiplayer and single player mode is just an afterthought, if included at all. I don't really want to deal with a bunch of punks online, just want to go head to head with a good smart computer that isn't going to talk back to me. I guess it must be the influence of the increasing female gamer contingent wanting to be "social" and all that. Darn e
    • by Jearil (154455) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:32PM (#16842200) Homepage
      I think your title hits something that the article didn't really mention: The difference between technical superiority and an actual fun system. Very very rarely is the system with the highest "stats" the winner in any console race.

      I present to you:
      * Nintendo DS vs. PSP - PSP processor is faster, the screen is a higher resolution, it has more function, yet bombed compared to the DS.

      * Original Xbox/GC vs. PS2 - Both the original Xbox and gamecube had better graphical power than the PS2 and yet the PS2 sold a ton more units and games.

      * N64 vs. PS - Granted what made the PS the winner in this case was using an optical drive for media, but the power of the N64 was higher than the PS1.

      * Nintendo Gameboy vs. Sega Gamegear - I remember having a Gamegear. It was in color and had better graphics than the gameboy of the time. Yet it still died and the gameboy lived on.

      It really is the games. For what I've been seeing on the PS3, everything looks done. Either I could get it on the PC/360 or it looks remarkably similar to a dozen other games I've played in the past. It's difficult to find something really exciting about the system, but the Wii seems to have that excitement. It may not look as good, but as Gabe on penny-arcade spoke about Zelda: "You'll never even think about the graphics while you're playing it".

      That's what I'm hoping Nintendo can pull off with the Wii.
      • Blast, I just finished off my mod points a few minutes ago. This single line takes the cake, and says something critical about where gaming has been, is, and should be headed.

        "You'll never even think about the graphics while you're playing it".
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by elcid73 (599126)
          Agreed- the graphics seem to get you in the door. I spend maybe a few rare minutes observing the graphics and it tends to be during the lull in the gameplay... ie- as I'm wondering around looking for a secret item or some such.
        • Yeah, but I'll admit to being dissapointed when I read that. I'm glad the game is fun, and I look forward to playing it, but the screenshots for the game looked pretty sweet and I was also looking forward to great Zelda graphics. If Gabe is touting the game and saying how good it is while simultaneously admitting that it doesn't look very good for a GC game, that does kind of worry me. Maybe I won't think about the graphics, but maybe I want to think about the graphics from time to time, specifically "th
          • I would have to see the Zelda series "grow up" a bit before I could go back to it. Ocarina of Time I couldn't get into, and the same for anything since. I still want it to be a fairy tale world, but that can mature and still be fantastical... I'd like to see done to Zelda what Neil Gaiman does to to the fairy tale style in "Stardust" - it's fantastical, and it's a fairy tale, but it's adjusted to the palate of the older audience, the audience that misses fairy tales but can't enjoy the old ones anymore b
      • by drinkypoo (153816)

        N64 vs. PS: Like you said, the optical drive is the real answer. The N64 has more processing power and better graphics, but the PSX has more power in every other way, not least the ability to produce useful volumes of FMV.

        Game boy vs. Game gear: Game Gear sucked down batteries like... well, you know where this sentence is going. What won the war here was battery life. Game gear obviously reached too far and fell on its face.

        It's not JUST the games, although they are very important. Turbo Grafx had TO

      • by Tony Hoyle (11698)
        If you want to compare gameboys try the Atari Lynx and the NGPC vs. the Gameboy Color. Both of those were better (NGPC was *much* better) and yet they both tanked - the Lnyx because Atari can't market for shit and the NGPC because it was suddenly pulled off the market just as everyone was gearing up to buy one (the shops had displays and everything...) - coincidentally shortly before the release of the Gameboy Color (conspiracy theorist, me?).
    • by Fozzyuw (950608)
      It's the games.

      PS3 will succeed, but it'll likely just have a much slower start because it is going to have games that will make your draw drop, given they have the technical power to make them. Gameplay isn't hard to do when all you make are sequels and racing games.

  • by PIPBoy3000 (619296) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:04PM (#16841634)
    I'm getting to the point where the fanboys arguing over which system is better has gotten quite dull. When Wikipedia has to lock down [gamespot.com] their entries, things are getting silly.

    Sometime in January, we'll see sales results and then someone can declare a "winner". Even that seems silly, since the two systems seem to cater to different audiences.
    • Something tells me they're going to be selling more Wii units than PS3s this holiday season. Who will profit most? Nintendo also, almost certainly. I'm afraid no one's going to declare a winner by January.
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        No, IBM will profit the most. They make the processors for all three next-gen consoles. No matter which console wins, IBM wins.
      • Who will profit most?
        Reports say Sony is subsidizing the cost of PS3 at a huge loss. Nintendo is selling Wii at a profit, day one. Nintendo wins with the first Wii they sell.
        • Nintendo is selling Wii at a profit, day one. Nintendo wins with the first Wii they sell.

          Not entirely. The profit from the first Wiis isn't really profit, it covers the R&D costs. Once they have sold a few hundred thousand (random number), then they're in the realms of pure profit.

      • by Tony Hoyle (11698)
        I don't think Sony care.

        In Europe the wii comes out on December 8th. Just in time for the christmas rush.

        The PS3? March *next year*.

        By that time everyone will have bought their next-gen console and the PS3 will be irrelevant. Sony have nothing to offer at the time when people are throwing money at consoles like it was growing on trees.

        (Similar for HDDVD vs. Bluray over here... HDDVD, Microsoft drive for the xbox 360, region free (That's *unbelievably* important to use europeans) November 24th. Sony, Blu
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Phisbut (761268)
      Sometime in January, we'll see sales results and then someone can declare a "winner".
      That won't even work, they won't even use the same "unit of measure". In January, Nintendo will have sold "5 million consoles" and will claim victory (although the big N really doesn't care about the fight, it's only the fanboys), while Sony will have sold "100% of their consoles" (which might as well be fewer than a million), so they'll claim victory too.
      • it is unfortunate how the "system" works, I mean assuming Nintendo makes a profit of $1 USD on each system, and Sony subsidizes the PS3 by $20 USD (I know both are gross underestimates) as far as profit goes Nintendo (assuming 5 million consoles) would have 5 million dollars and Sony, (assuming a supply of 4 hundred thousand PS3s) in the hole by $8 million. Hell, even if Nintendo gave a quarter of their consoles away in specially marked boxes of cheerios they'd still be a leg up from Sony. . .

        Either way
      • by Tony Hoyle (11698)
        You know those figures aren't end user figures anyway?

        Wii will sell '1 million consoles' on its first day. To retailers. But they don't mention that last bit. The same with Vista which will ship 'a million copies' in its first day, etc.

        If they get the retailers to preorder 5 million of the things guess what the headlines the next day will be?
    • Lol. This article is coming to a Slashdot near you.
  • by DumbWhiteGuy777 (654327) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:04PM (#16841654)
    I think this is all depending on who you ask, really. The Wii's whole approach was to appeal to other types of people than hardcore gamers, and it looks like the PS3's whole lineup is for hardcore gamers. So, it's a little bit like comparing apples and oranges, I think.
    • or Comparing Grape Juice to Wine (The alcoholic beverage, not the Windows emulation thingie).
    • by Tellarin (444097)

      So apples are better. I mean, if they are the Wii in the comparison. :)
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by miyako (632510)
      It definitely seems like that was the plan by both Nintendo and Sony. What I find kinda funny though is that nintendo is that most of the hardcore gamers I know (myself included) are more interested in the Wii than the PS3. Now, that's not to say that hard core gamers might not also want a PS3 (I want one very much- but not quite enough to wait in line- I'll put down my $700 as soon as I can walk into best buy/eb games/gamestop and buy one easily) - but hardcore gamers are following what each company is d
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:05PM (#16841680)
    Most likely, you'll only be able to play against players who give you "friend codes" first, just like with the DS.


    I don't have a single friend code in my DS and still can play online against other people. You don't see their codes, but you don't need them to play online. They're only useful if you want to play against specific people.

    Maybe the author should do some research instead of pulling "facts" out of thin air.
  • Biased much? (Score:5, Informative)

    by chrismcdirty (677039) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:12PM (#16841804) Homepage
    I like how the writer assumes that friend codes will be involved, and completely missed the whole concept of them. You can play anyone in most games without a friend code, but you'd have to settle for random matchmaking. Animal Crossing is the only game I can think of off the top of my head that required a friend code.

    And I especially like how he says Nintendo is entering the world of multiplayer gaming. First, they've had the WiFi Connection running for more than a year. Second, just because they haven't participated much in online multiplayer gaming, he ignores all of their other great multiplayer and party games. The way I see it, online games are second fiddle to offline multiplayer. I'd rather be together with my friends, but if that can't happen, we resort to using the internet to play together.
    • Wii Numbers (Score:3, Informative)

      He shouldn't have to assume. According to a video tour of the interface from IGN, rather than have a new code for each game the Wii will have an address book full of "Wii Numbers". If you have someone's Wii system number you can play games with them online, send them messages and Miis, and all that good stuff.
    • Re:Biased much? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by anlprb (130123) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:37PM (#16842270)
      One thing I do not understand is why Friend Codes are so hated. They do exactly what Nintendo wants. Keep their kid safe image. With friends codes, you only play with the yahoos who you KNOW PHYSICALLY. There isn't much chance of getting caught with a predator when he doesn't know your friend code or name. There is no chat, no way to get heavy breathing over the DS. It allows friends to play and parents to feel safe that little Jill can be playing with her friends over the internet and they don't have to worry about looking to censor it. It works PERFECTLY for kids. Friends can play friends and the wierdos don't know who you are. And yes, I know there are web sites that allow you to put friends codes out there. But, you have to do that yourself and if you are doing that, you can use a computer and a chat room too. At that point, a DS game is the least of the parents' worries.
      • There are a lot of people that do want more than Friend Codes. They want a true matchmaking experiencing, without canned chat, which is what's been available on Xbox Live, PC multiplayer, PS2/PS3 online service, etc. for years.

        As we all know, though, that opens up a huge can of worms: griefers, immaturity, and predators. Obviously it's not an easy thing to solve. But I wouldn't say Friend Codes solves it either, since it basically eliminates the features many people want. It's like cutting off a finger, whe
        • by randyest (589159)
          You're confused. You can still play DS (and presumably Wii) games online with random or skill-based matchmaking without any friend code use at all. You just can't voice chat or text chat (other than canned messages) with an opponent unless you have their friend code.

          Where's the problem with that?
          • You're confused. You can still play DS (and presumably Wii) games online with random or skill-based matchmaking without any friend code use at all. You just can't voice chat or text chat (other than canned messages) with an opponent unless you have their friend code.

            I think you're confused. This is what I said: They want a true matchmaking experiencing, without canned chat

            I know you can still do random/skill-based matchmaking. But missing the actual communication functionality is crucial to a lot of people

      • by Chris Burke (6130) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @06:31PM (#16845250) Homepage
        One thing I do not understand is why Friend Codes are so hated. They do exactly what Nintendo wants. Keep their kid safe image. With friends codes, you only play with the yahoos who you KNOW PHYSICALLY.

        I don't think kids should be knowing each other physically.
  • by Phisbut (761268) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:16PM (#16841870)
    TFA says :
    but Wii appears poised to finally bring Mario and Co. into the multiplayer arena.

    That's strange, I remember playing Mario Kart in multiplayer mode, with friends, in the same living room. Oh, and I had Super-Smash-Brothers Melee too, multiplayer, same living room.

    Heck, Nintendo has been making multiplayer games decades ago with Mario Bros.

    Yep, your old games still work-Sony promises full backward compatibility with all PS1 and PS2 games
    Funny... that's not what I heard... [slashdot.org]
    • Heck, Nintendo has been making multiplayer games decades ago with Mario Bros.

      That was fun. Far more so when it was brought into SMB3. Timing your button press right to force a battle on your opponent's turn, stealing his extra-life cards and stealing his go. Happy days...

  • Next week: 1UP compares apples with oranges!
  • Ho hum. (Score:4, Funny)

    by TheSHAD0W (258774) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:16PM (#16841878) Homepage
  • by cowscows (103644) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:26PM (#16842098) Journal
    I won't be surprised if the PS3 ends up with more games than the Wii, but the article seems a bit unfair to nintendo in terms of games. An example being that they talk about Madden specifically for the PS3, but didn't bother to mention that it'll also be available for the Wii (customized for the controller even). Instead just panning the Wii for its lack of third party games.

    They only listed seven Wii games, while Nintendo's website has a list of 30 that will be available within 5 weeks of launch. That's a pretty damn impressive lineup, especially compared to what we're used to from Nintendo.
  • We might as well discuss this factual article that declares Nintendo is(are) the Democrats as Sony is the GOP [twitchguru.com]

    Totally Non-biased : Hilarious :: Factual : Ludicrous

    This 1up article reads like it was written by someone in need of adderall. It jumps from thought to thought, often talking almost exclusivly about the other console in the wrong space before declaring a winner seemingly completly against their own reasoning, only to end abruptly with no final overall comparison.
  • by Tarlus (1000874) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:31PM (#16842184)
    You have to keep in mind that, as one other Slashdotter just said, 1up is comparing apples and oranges.

    The PS3 takes the cake with graphics because that was their goal. The best graphics hardware was not Nintendo's goal.

    The Wii takes the cake with controls because that's what Nintendo's goal was... Sony instead chose to remain somewhat conservative by continuing to use its tried-and-true PSX controller layout.

    So of course each one is going to win in each of its given categories, because it's the opposite of what the other company wanted to do with their respective console.

    ...And what's this about "extra functionality?" The PS3 plays PS2 and PS1 games?
    NEWS FLASH: The Wii is capable of playing games from NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, TurboGrafix, Genesis, and probably more...
    And the PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies? Woop-dee freakin' doo. I don't know about everybody else, but I'm going to buy a gaming console to play games. If I want to watch movies, I'll buy a movie player.
  • I wouldn't give props to the Wiimote until people actually get some experience with it over time.

    Don't forget how successful the Nintendo Power Glove wasn't. Personally, I think that's a shame because I like the idea of moving towards a more VR environment where you use real gestures to do stuff, but it flopped in the market. This baby step in the same direction may fare better... or not.
    • Re:Power Glove? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Chris Burke (6130) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @04:22PM (#16843046) Homepage
      The power glove flopped because it was an expensive add-on and there were basically no games designed for it, so it was a glove that had to somehow act like a Nintendo controller. I never had one (see price), but from what I heard it was fun to play Punch-Out with and that was about it. The NES was really not a great system to try innovative motion-sensing control schemes on, considering how few NES games even used all 8 binary game pad directions. Funny, because even a decade later I was reading about hobbiests praising the power glove for actually being a pretty good glove that could do things like detect how far you had curled each finger that other similarly priced gloves couldn't do. So basically total overkill.

      The Wiimote is built into the console and is the foundation of Wii gameplay, is cheaper if you want extras, and is matched to a system capable of doing something useful with the nuanced input it is getting. I completely agree that it's appropriate to wait and see how it feels after using it a while before passing judgement good or bad. I just disagree that history gives me reason to doubt.

      P.S. speaking of failed Nintendo add-on controllers, I don't hear many people mention whatever the hell they called that ridiculous light-bazooka for the SNES. Seriously, it was the size of a small shoulder-fired rocket launcher and was intended to be held the same way. I don't know what the hell that was about. A relative accidentally bought me a game that needed it, so I never played it, making it only a slightly better gift than Donkey Kong 3 was.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by AKAImBatman (238306) *
        I had one. Its key failing was that it was a 3D input device for a 2D system. Which is not very useful when you think about it.

        Mattel & Nintendo made a big deal about how you could actually turn the steering wheel in Rad Racer, or punch in Punch Out. While I never tried Punch Out, the former wasn't actually true. The Power Glove had a "center" that you calibrated for. Any time you moved your hand away from the virtual center, your character/car moved. To run/jump/accelerate you flexed your fingers inste
    • by LKM (227954) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @04:52PM (#16843626) Homepage
      The Power Glove wasn't a Nintendo product. It was made by Mattel. [wikipedia.org] There were a grand total of two games made for the Power Glove. Two crappy games. The Wii controller will be different.
    • I didn't have a Power Glove, I bought a U-Force... Nevermind that when I got to the store, it cost %50 more than I had thought it would, I bought it anyway... See my previous post on buying the CDi. [slashdot.org]

      The U-Force was cool, but games, as well as the console itself, were not designed for it. You had to set a bunch of DIP switches differently for each game. The manual actually encouraged you to experiment with different switch settings for different games -- that was scary, there wasn't any type of guide or
    • oh you mean the MATTEL power glove?
  • by ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @03:47PM (#16842440)
    It's not a competition between just the Wii and the PS3. In fact I would say that there are very few people who are deciding between those two systems. The PS3 and the Wii are just too far apart. You are willing to pay for high definition graphics or you are not. You either want the traditional controller scheme or you love the idea of the Wii controller. I would suggest that the competition is Wii vs. Xbox 360 and PS3 vs. Xbox 360.

    First, the people who buy a PS3 before Christmas are going to be hardcore Playstation fans. The PS3 is in such short supply and costs so much, it will not be a casual purchase. Even if you're rich, you will have to track one down or pre-order it. The Wii is half the price of the PS3 and there will be an ample supply of them because Nintendo doesn't have production problems.

    A price sensitive gamer will ignore the PS3. The Xbox 360 will become more affordable once Microsoft cuts it's price. Even with a price cut, the Xbox 360 will be more expensive than the Wii. But it won't be twice the price. Meaning that someone who is willing to pay for a Wii doesn't have to pay that much more for an Xbox 360. It comes down to consumer choice.

    A gamer looking for high definition graphics will be comparing the PS3 and the Xbox 360. The Wii is limited to 480p, so someone who wants HD will ignore it. A gamer must decide whether they want to pay $100 to $200 extra for the PS3. There are certainly Xbox 360 games with high quality graphics. We will have to wait and see how PS3 games look.

    I think that Xbox 360 demand is pretty high in the US. I only say this because there are deals being offered in Canada that are not being offered in the US. Maybe Americans tend to spend more on Christmas than Canadians.
    • by feepness (543479)
      I would suggest that the competition is Wii vs. Xbox 360 and PS3 vs. Xbox 360.

      Thank you, thank you, thank you.

      Those with the money to spend and already living in HD land will not tolerate the lower-res of the Wii for the majority of their gaming. I wouldn't. I can't stand watching things in low-res anymore.

      Those without the money to spend on high-def will not tolerate the price point of the PS3.

      Who wins? Everyone and no one. I do feel the PS3 will be around longer, but you can afford to spen
  • Speculation about their copycatting Nintendo aside, their controller is hardly revolutionary. Here's why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep8DRXJpA9Q [youtube.com]

    That's right, you could do exactly what they're doing now with the original Warhawk on your PS1 back in the early 1990s. This isn't something new. It may have been innovative then, but I don't think we can apply words such as "revolutionary" to it now.

    The article strikes me as being written by someone who's high on hype for both systems, and hasn't taken a singl
  • Is the Wii's pack-in game Wii Sports not going to support online multiplayer? I was under the impression that it was. Would be a shame if not.

    • No, no Wii launch titles support online multiplayer (unless Nintendo drop an announcement in the next week). This is my theory for why Metroid Prime 3 was pushed back to next year - they might be adding online functionality.
    • It does not. I agree it really is a shame. This could have sold another launch system, just so I could golf with my dad online.

      The System will be online Day 1 for VC titles and the WiiConnect Channels, but the first title online will be the Pokemon game which releases December in Japan.

  • This time around the Wii and PS3 aren't even competitors. People who want amazing graphics, vast potential, and next generation disk formats will choose the PS3, if they can afford it.

    People who love Nintendo games, a child-friendly console at a lower cost will choose the Wii.

    It's like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a Lexus... who will win? Different class, different customers.

    On the other hand, the XBox 360 will compete mainly with the PS3, since they are around the same price range. Most people who buy Mi
    • by Omestes (471991) <omestes AT gmail DOT com> on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @07:11PM (#16845782) Homepage Journal
      People who love Nintendo games, a child-friendly console at a lower cost will choose the Wii.


      I'm getting sick of this "kid friendly" thing. Sure, there are some Nintendo games that are going to be for kids, as there will be on the 360, and PS3. There will also be some "hardcore" gorefest games on the Wii, though in a lower proportion than to the other consoles (RE4 on GC?). But then again the only games that make the PS2 worthwhile to me happen to be the more kid friendly ones, like katamari, where the emphasis is more on fun than how many polys you can render gibs in. Most violent games are not actually for adults, they are for the 16-30 crowd, mature players realize that they were drawn to gaming for fun, pure and simple, and not pure violence.
  • The PS3's supposed to be able to run Linux [wikipedia.org]. Haven't yet come across an article showing this though. As of yet, Sony's official support page [playstation.com] is essentially blank and the PS3's "official" Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 distro hasn't been released. Imho this ability of running your own OS and software to harness the PS3's power would be the only reason to justify its price tag. Think of what people could do with it - in fact it would be a Slashdotter's dream (if only it wasn't Sony who manufactured it.. ;): a gaming con
    • by drinkypoo (153816)

      Think of what people could do with it - in fact it would be a Slashdotter's dream (if only it wasn't Sony who manufactured it..

      That's one issue. The other issue is that it has only 256MB of memory. That's enough to be a media player, or a mythtv frontend, or play a relatively simple game. It's not enough to play a big PC-type game on linux (like, say, the latest first person shooter) without swapping. It's not enough to use the thing as a PC without swapping.

      If it had 512MB of memory and was made by

    • It's a nice idea for your console to run Linux - but an original Xbox will do that for a lot less money, and run all the cliche geek software. What does the PS3 offer over that?

      Well, it's faster, and has more memory. A cheap PC would likely outperform it on that front, however, and would make cheaper clusters I expect. It'd also run all the usual Linux software without porting, recompiling or requiring new drivers.

      It's got a Cell. Good geek cred, excellent number-cruncher (though IMHO the [expensive] ne

  • It's a bitch site. I've read 4 reviews on the site now. Not only were 3 given scores with little reasoning in the review, but all the scores are "hater" scores. They just don't like games or just don't want to review games on anything and instead trash everything at least 1 point lower than they should be.

    This article is awful. They compare two consoles that shouldn't be compared. The PS3 is 600 dollars, the Wii is 250. It's like comparing a Ford GT and a Vette Z06, who gives a shit who wins if one is
  • Where's the price-performance comparison? I think that's a bit more important for some people than some of the other categories. Or how about the "innovation" category? Of course for over double the price, one console is going to have better extra functionality and better system specs. As pretty much everyone has said so far, this article is very biased. Everyone who's buying a Wii knows it's not the most powerful system. I'm buying it because this generation it seems Nintendo has done everything right, and
  • by OldeTimeGeek (725417) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @05:48PM (#16844608)
    Why not "Ferrari vs. Hundai, a side-by-side comparison?" It makes just about as much sense.

    The PS3 and Wii are aimed at two different markets - the PS3 is definitely not aimed at the cost-conscious gamer (why buy an HD-ready system if you can't afford HDTV) and the Wii is never going to please the people who want high-end, graphic intensive games, so comparing them feature-for-feature is useless. People who can't afford a PS3 won't get one. People who aren't interested in a Nintendo won't get one. People who can afford a PS3 may also get a Wii. For most people, it isn't a binary decision, so why the illusion of controversy?

  • 1Up Is Awful (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Hazrek (900706) on Tuesday November 14, 2006 @06:07PM (#16844884)
    Please stop linking to 1Up. I come to Slashdot to read interesting articles (haha), not the ridiculous grade-school crap that 1Up consistently posts.
  • I havent read much about the online gameplay for the wii or ps3, (I'm a xbox fan). Will these devices connect to a server so you can play against people who want to play simular online titles, and keep track of scrores/ladderboards. Or is it a client to client connection where the ps3/wii require connecting directly to friends?

    The reason I ask is because the xbox monthly subscription to live allows you to play in a way where you dont need to contact people. With the xbox you can search through people or
  • This article is utterly useless, like pretty much anything 1up does.

    However - the Wii and PS3 dinosaur renders, like http://www.1up.com/media?id=3087879 [1up.com] are awesomely cute and well worth your time to view. Kudos to the artist.

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